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Old 2nd Sep 2020, 22:06
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Anyway it is what it is no point arguing over quotes and what state is doing what, absolutely nothing can be done to move our country forward. All we can do is witness it sink into the oblivion. The honest truth I have discovered, if you're not affected you don't care and the vast majority of the population couldn't care about airlines or a tourist operator in another state.
Not quite right, people do care, it's a case of what can we do about it in the same way as climate change and plastics in the ocean. One only needs to think about those issues pre -covid, what were your thoughts and what did you do then, it's exactly the same. Opening the borders and pretending the pandemic doesn't exist isn't going to fix the problem, it's only going to make it worse. One step at a time.
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Old 2nd Sep 2020, 22:47
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Two different instances - which is bad enough when you think about that!

The one I referred to (The Lismore mum whose newborn was medi-vac'd to Brisbane) was granted an exemption into Queensland but not into the hospital. The hospital refused entry to be with her newborn son, unless they had undertaken 2 weeks quarantine. The ABC Report on it
Does it really matter whether they were misinformed or not? The situation should not have put the medical staff in that position (to be able to be misinformed) in the first place...When it comes only a matter of days after the Queensland Premier proudly stood in front of the media pack and proclaimed "Queensland Hospitals are for Queenslanders!" you can well understand how they became misinformed, if indeed that is what happened.

Stop lying they were given an exemption to enter queensland, she initially delayed from entering the ICU until they had sorted infection control. Next day she was allowed to enter the ICU in full protective gear, by the time the reports where published she had already visited the child. A few days later the child and the family returned to lismore
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Old 2nd Sep 2020, 23:12
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Stop lying they were given an exemption to enter queensland, she initially delayed from entering the ICU until they had sorted infection control. Next day she was allowed to enter the ICU in full protective gear, by the time the reports where published she had already visited the child. A few days later the child and the family returned to lismore
I don't appreciate being called a liar, champ - particularly when you've provided no evidence she was indeed reunited with her newborn "after" the original articles were published. However this article states she was not reunited with her infant until after he was returned to Lismore. Do you have any reference to verify your claims these two articles are incorrect?

Despite Ms Northfield and her husband Glen getting permission from NSW and Queensland authorities to travel north to visit Harvey, Brisbane's Royal Brisbane and Women's Hospital told the heartbroken couple their visit was "too high-risk" due to and they would have to quarantine for 14 days. ut today, Ms Northfield was finally reunited with baby Harvey after he was brought back to hospital in Lismore.
And This story reports the parents were "Forced to return home"...
The couple were forced to return home and saw their newborn over video call. ďI just want him to know how much I love him,Ē Chantelle said at the time. On Tuesday, the parents were finally reunited with their son.

The couple at the birth of their son, left, and baby Harvey back in Lismore, right. After his condition improved, baby Harvey was flown back to Lismore to be with his parents.ďHarvey was brought back to the Nursery at Lismore Hospital and came straight into my arms after a long 4 days,Ē Chantelle wrote on Facebook.
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 02:37
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So here we are heading to the end of week 5 of stage 4 lock-down and we get 113 new cases in the last 24 hours. We entered stage 3 again on July 8th and on July 22nd face masks became compulsory. There's a lot of people out and about; and I don't think they give a crap.
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 02:47
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I am curious as to why numbers are so high in ML still, even with ppl moving about I'm sure the majority are doing the right thing.
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 03:16
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Are the testers being tested daily, these are vulnerable if there's an issue with PPE, which clearly there is due to number of medical staff infected already. It only takes one asymptomatic spreader among them. One of our own weaknesses we identified.
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 03:36
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Originally Posted by Ragnor
I am curious as to why numbers are so high in ML still, even with ppl moving about I'm sure the majority are doing the right thing.
A lot of ongoing outbreaks, a couple of days ago Brett Sutton mentioned there being still over 100 active outbreaks
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 03:39
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Ragnor - I'd say the vast majority are doing the right thing. Victorians are no different to any other people in Australia. Problem is Victoria is being led by a bunch of inept, incompetent but extraordinarily arrogant fools who dropped the ball on hotel quarantine and once it got out into the community their contact tracing system was exposed as being totally undermanned and inadequate, which allowed the virus to completely get away from them and the only way to stop it was to impose another harsh lockdown. The problem is, they STILL haven't fixed the contact tracing problem and until they do, we're never going to get on top of this. Wouldn't surprise me if they extend Stage 4 to end of September now.
Example :- Someone I know was just informed that their child has been identified as a 'close contact' of another child who has just tested positive and has to be isolated. Problem is, they were informed about this 8 DAYS after the child tested positive. Like I said, we'll never get on top of it under those circumstances. How many others have been unwittingly spreading it at the local supermarket, workplace, school etc due to delays like this..? Victoria is right royally screwed at the moment. I'm not a fan of border closures but I can understand why they're doing it.
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 04:17
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Originally Posted by thisishardtochoose
A lot of ongoing outbreaks, a couple of days ago Brett Sutton mentioned there being still over 100 active outbreaks
1/3 of cases are in the healthcare system & of the 15 deaths 8 or 9 of them are from past couple of weeks which have just come through,14 out of the 15 are from aged care.
The fed govt run the aged care system so they should be answering the questions as to why there is the delay in deaths being reported & also why these deaths are occuring.
Blame Andrews for what hes responsible for but dont put blinkers on when you see facts u dont like,brett sutton is a professor not a fool so those happy to criticise should think about what he is not what state hes working in.
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 06:46
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The LGA's of Wyndham, Hume, Brimbank, Hobsons Bay, Moreland, Maribyrnong and Melton have had the highest case rates in the last 2 weeks; with the exception of Maribyrnong, these LGA's also have some of the lowest testing rates. A number of these have been right up there since the beginning when the genie was let out of the quarantine bottle.
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 07:52
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Gladys said today she had that phone call with Anastasia about the border, Anastasia told her two incubation periods without community transmission Gladys told her youíre requesting the impossible. I have not posted the storey which is in todayís Australian live updates.

Anyone here over the federal and states rules of parliament and out constitution?

Sco Mo said in question time today borders will be open before Xmas! Does he have the power to overrule a state premier and if so why has he not done so for even the simplest things like medical and contract workers?
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 07:58
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Gladys said today she had that phone call with Anastasia about the border, Anastasia told her two incubation periods without community transmission Gladys told her youíre requesting the impossible. I have not posted the storey which is in todayís Australian live updates.

Anyone here over the federal and states rules of parliament and out constitution?

Sco Mo said in question time today borders will be open before Xmas! Does he have the power to overrule a state premier and if so why has he not done so for even the simplest things like medical and contract workers?
She also said she will raise it with her health officials, so it wasn't a blanket refusal and Scomo did not say that. Have another listen to his speech, the media may well have said that.
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 08:21
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Make the states fund JobKeeper and watch the restrictions come tumbling down.
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 08:33
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Make the states fund JobKeeper and watch the restrictions come tumbling down.
That might be a problem for Victoria where most of the jobkeeper payments are and their borders are not closed.
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 09:48
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The problem is Anastasia is too unpredictable. We canít be opening and closing. NSW might maintain 10 cases a day for a month then all of a sudden record 20 and she locks them out again. You then donít get that border open for months. Madness.

I actually pity AJ and all his employees who have to put up with this BS. By all means vote her out folks.
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 09:58
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The problem is Anastasia is too unpredictable. We canít be opening and closing. NSW might maintain 10 cases a day for a month then all of a sudden record 20 and she locks them out again. You then donít get that border open for months. Madness.
The real issue is that no-one truly believes having community transmission is containable. Most believe it will blow out and NSW will end up where VIC is. Just quietly the medical professionals believe NSW will fall by Christmas. If they are wrong and NSW does a sterling job and keeps it contained, then that's a fair call for the other states to consider following NSW lead.


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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 09:59
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Originally Posted by wheels_down
The problem is Anastasia is too unpredictable. We canít be opening and closing. NSW might maintain 10 cases a day for a month then all of a sudden record 20 and she locks them out again. You then donít get that border open for months. Madness.

I actually pity AJ and all his employees who have to put up with this BS. By all means vote her out folks.
This has been the problem since day one. No-one has ever bothered to either set or state the criteria for border openings. Itís an ad-hoc, scattergun process, varying between each state and territory, rather than a national approach in the national interest.

Having said that, Queenslandís CHO stated today they want to see 28 days with no community transmission in NSW before considering opening the border. As Gladys said, we may never see that. If thereís no vaccine, or itís not completely effective, based on their own criteria, Queensland may stay closed to southern states in perpetuity.

Itís a frankly ridiculous state of affairs and our political leaders should hang their collective heads in shame at their inability to plan a way forward in the best interests of ALL Australians. If they want to stay shut then so be it but find a nationally agreed position, state what it is, and prepare Australians for what is to come.

If there has ever been a stronger scenario in the last 120 years arguing for the abolition of the states entirely, I fail to see it.
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 10:15
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What is the Federal Governments criteria for opening the International border. Start with that first.
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 10:24
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Just quietly the medical professionals believe NSW will fall by Christmas.
Source? Or this is just your usual hyperbole.
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 10:31
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Xeptu- You are getting a kick out of seeing thousands of lives destroyed. You seem very happy and content that the reaction of premiers will be worse than the virus itself.

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