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Old 10th Feb 2023, 11:37
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Originally Posted by soseg
I can already hear the excited network pilots over the possibility of entirely stealing the mainline RPT network out west for half the wage. Wooh, let’s fly a hand me down airbus for $120k as an FO.
Network can barely keep their current level of flying operational, just like all the other subsidiaries. The ability to keep pilots on a wage of low $100k for a jet FO in the current market is not sustainable. At least one subsidiary has apparently put out the red alert for losing crew. And the others aren’t far off.

I have no doubt management would outsource all mainline flying if they could, fortunately supply and demand isn’t on their side at the moment. Plus have heard some rumblings that the IR types are realising that they have to keep people within the group or otherwise they’re at risk of losing them to the outside in the long run. For most people at a subsidiary that means some realistic profession to mainline, not a tiny drip feed. Apparently most recruiting this year will be internal as a consequence, according to a previous thread.

For instance a couple of thousand Airbus hours and the world’s your oyster, off to the ME and then 350/380 command within 4 years. Or 747 freighter skipper within 4 years.



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Old 10th Feb 2023, 19:32
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What happens when QF buys another airline? More expectations to meet to avoid expensive and crippling rates of pilot attrition. Is this model of career progression sustainable? As an outsider observing, with the upcoming training required in the Group, there’s no pleasing everyone and the mess could well be unmanageable.

There’s more than a trickle of pilots returning abroad to markets that are arguably still paying COVID rates. Improvements and emerging opportunities in recovering regions, will see many more leave subsidiaries and have management scratching their heads.

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Old 14th Feb 2023, 23:32
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Has anyone that interviewed (external) in the second half of 2022 got a start date yet? Surly they must be getting close to allocating some more start dates?
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Old 15th Feb 2023, 16:46
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Has anyone that interviewed (external) in the second half of 2022 got a start date yet? Surly they must be getting close to allocating some more start dates?
No, I got the yes in October and still haven’t heard. :-(
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Old 15th Feb 2023, 22:05
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No, I got the yes in October and still haven’t heard. :-(
Same here Sim done in August and got hold file email in September and no word from them still.

I know others I interviewed with are the same and others that interviewed a few weeks prior are also yet to hear anything. Hopefully something will come in the next few weeks months.
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Old 16th Feb 2023, 05:52
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The refueller tells me there's a handful of QFPP graduates about to start at Jetstar as F/Os on the A320, with whatever dozens of hours they have at the end of the program.
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Old 16th Feb 2023, 06:04
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Originally Posted by Contigo
Same here Sim done in August and got hold file email in September and no word from them still.

I know others I interviewed with are the same and others that interviewed a few weeks prior are also yet to hear anything. Hopefully something will come in the next few weeks months.
there’s still people starting from the 2018 recruitment drive starting in the coming months. Some people waited 4 weeks, some waited 4 years. There is no point trying to make sense of HR.
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Old 21st Feb 2023, 19:39
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Current Courses

Has anyone got word for March, April, or May Course Dates being a thing? I know someone who is starting Feb, interview back in June but it’s been silent for others I know that interviewed just after since.
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Old 22nd Feb 2023, 15:15
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Originally Posted by Avi8terdude2023
Has anyone got word for March, April, or May Course Dates being a thing? I know someone who is starting Feb, interview back in June but it’s been silent for others I know that interviewed just after since.
No, I know Feb course was filled but I get the feeling they’re backlogged as I have heard of no one from March onwards.
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Old 23rd Feb 2023, 03:19
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Hiring is about to halt. The seniority list is back up to where it was pre covid for the last 3 dreamliners.

It'll be a trickle from now on as QF is down 4 widebodys in the last two years.

Expect to be given a secondment offer to go to NJS to fly the A220 on whatever the NJS conditions are.
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Old 23rd Feb 2023, 04:11
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Originally Posted by soseg
Hiring is about to halt. The seniority list is back up to where it was pre covid for the last 3 dreamliners.

It'll be a trickle from now on as QF is down 4 widebodys in the last two years.

Expect to be given a secondment offer to go to NJS to fly the A220 on whatever the NJS conditions are.
Several more 380s worth to crew, and the 330 isn't fully utilised yet. Recruitment for the A350 starts soon, and that'll be over and above current numbers.
The projected recruitment numbers are approx 200 new recruits per year for the next 4 years.
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Old 23rd Feb 2023, 04:43
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Originally Posted by soseg
Hiring is about to halt. The seniority list is back up to where it was pre covid for the last 3 dreamliners.

It'll be a trickle from now on as QF is down 4 widebodys in the last two years.

Expect to be given a secondment offer to go to NJS to fly the A220 on whatever the NJS conditions are.
Haha, not likely.

Dr Dre is on the money..
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Old 23rd Feb 2023, 05:43
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PPRUNE at its neurotic best. Recruitment somewhere between ZERO per year and 400 per year. Not really helpful.
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Old 23rd Feb 2023, 05:54
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Throw in the possibility of a major war plus more interest rate rises and a probable recession in Australia and the reality is no one knows how long recruitment will continue for.
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Old 23rd Feb 2023, 06:02
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The idea of a recession really gets overplayed in its effect. Anyone with a steady job is actually better of in a recession, prices drop or stagnate. A recession that we are likely to have would be just under zero or slightly negative growth, hardly something that will stifle demand for air travel. Australia still has not welcomed back all the foreign students and foreign workers so demand is still rising.
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Old 23rd Feb 2023, 08:16
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Originally Posted by dr dre
Several more 380s worth to crew, and the 330 isn't fully utilised yet. Recruitment for the A350 starts soon, and that'll be over and above current numbers.
The projected recruitment numbers are approx 200 new recruits per year for the next 4 years.
You forgot to mention the pilots actually leaving to go to better jobs OS. Things are bad when the national carrier is losing people.
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Old 23rd Feb 2023, 10:45
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001
The idea of a recession really gets overplayed in its effect. Anyone with a steady job is actually better of in a recession, prices drop or stagnate. A recession that we are likely to have would be just under zero or slightly negative growth, hardly something that will stifle demand for air travel. Australia still has not welcomed back all the foreign students and foreign workers so demand is still rising.
yeah you’re clearly born in 2001
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay
You forgot to mention the pilots actually leaving to go to better jobs OS. Things are bad when the national carrier is losing people.
How many? I know there's been a few who have said no to start dates.

Rumour late last year was that 6 SO's went to Atlas. That's the last I've heard.

Will be comparing the seniority lists when it's updated in July out of genuine curiosity.
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Originally Posted by soseg
How many? I know there's been a few who have said no to start dates.

Rumour late last year was that 6 SO's went to Atlas. That's the last I've heard.

Will be comparing the seniority lists when it's updated in July out of genuine curiosity.
Correct 6 passed up a start date and already regretting that decision. Just like all the expats who have left Australia for “greener pastures”. Yet they still try and sell living in the US as some magical experience.

As per my previous post - recruitment will continue but will slow for the next 12 months. 787 fleet is stable, yet to see where the numbers fall when SFO and NY start in a few months. 787 and 330 back to MGH.

380 still 12 months away until we see 2 more return. Direct entry SO on Z scale to happen next month

Recruitment for the 350, we all know where that stands. An aircraft not due for the best part of 3 years - the 330 will carry a surplus so they can hire onto the Z scale conditions in the meantime.

If you’re an internal…good luck mid 2024 seems likely

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Just like all the expats who have left Australia for “greener pastures”.
That is a very broad statement and theoretically untrue...
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