Qantas Recruitment

[dr dre]

Originally Posted by engine out

Don’t know about start dates. Talking to the recruiters recently and told still 30 on hold file from last round of recruitment. Interviews from this round will go on 3-4 days a week until December, possibly longer. New courses every two to four weeks. Interestingly despite the hype of Atlas and other U.S freight carriers over 100 applicants from them.

Not surprised. FedEx asking their pilots to go fly CRJs for regional airlines, UPS offering VR, the Covid freight boom ended once all the spare freight capacity in passenger aircraft that hadn't been flying during Covid returned. Any chance of a quick 747 command looks bleak. Plus Atlas's rosters seem horrific, 2+ weeks away with multiple short slips and BoC multi sector nights. And that's without even factoring the commuting in if you don't want to live in places like Cincinnati Ohio.

QF LH is a dream by comparison. The only real down side is time to LH F/O and command, but at least LH F/O is coming quicker these days.

[abaderrr]

Originally Posted by dr dre;[url=tel:[phone]

11615307[/url]]Not surprised. FedEx asking their pilots to go fly CRJs for regional airlines, UPS offering VR, the Covid freight boom ended once all the spare freight capacity in passenger aircraft that hadn't been flying during Covid returned. Any chance of a quick 747 command looks bleak. Plus Atlas's rosters seem horrific, 2+ weeks away with multiple short slips and BoC multi sector nights. And that's without even factoring the commuting in if you don't want to live in places like Cincinnati Ohio.

QF LH is a dream by comparison. The only real down side is time to LH F/O and command, but at least LH F/O is coming quicker these days.

What on earth are you talking about? A two week+ pattern would be entirely bid for. Most guys who live in base, opt for 4-5 day swings. I’ve just finished 9 days on into 10 days off at Atlas, commuted to and from in Business. Of that pattern I operated 3 individual sectors, including 63 hours in Hanoi. I’ve never stepped foot into Cincinnati, with basings including LA, New York, Miami, Chicago etc while clearing closer to a QF LH skipper than an FO, in process. Not blowing smoke, merely retorting your bs.

No job is perfect but I don’t think anyone who isn't at QF trying to justify their existence, would look at it as “a dream”.

[dr dre]

Originally Posted by abaderrr

No job is perfect but I don’t think anyone who isn't at QF trying to justify their existence, would look at it as “a dream”.

Well having flown long haul and seeing their patterns they are more fatiguing than a lot of other jobs on offer. I guess the flow of pilots one way or the other is the true barometer of attractiveness of the job. If the post above is to be believed then it seems the pendulum is swinging somewhat back towards returning to Australia.

[morno]

Dre I do wonder, have you ever worked overseas? Everything I read from you is always saying that Australia is where it’s at, the rest of the world is rubbish.

Having worked overseas, I can tell you now, if it weren’t for my individual circumstances, I’d be over there! Australia is rubbish

[MikeHatter732]

Not to mention, 100 is a very small number compared to the amount of Aussies over there.

The majority are loving it, and have no desire to return to the horrible aviation environment that is Australia anytime soon

[dr dre]

Originally Posted by morno

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Having worked overseas, I can tell you now, if it weren’t for my individual circumstances, I’d be over there! Australia is rubbish

Why then is QF (the topic of this thread btw) always massively oversubscribed for recruitment? By a ratio of 4-5x as many positions as required? And it is uncommon to hear of mainline pilots resigning for other work.

Let me be clear, I mean mainline only, not the other outfits which have obviously inferior conditions. The benefits of overseas vs subsidiaries is apparent. Apparently according to Crikey news 5 NAA pilots resigned just this week. That’s almost unheard of in mainline despite being much larger.

[MartyMcflyface]

Originally Posted by dr dre

Why then is QF (the topic of this thread btw) always massively oversubscribed for recruitment? By a ratio of 4-5x as many positions as required? And it is uncommon to hear of mainline pilots resigning for other work.

Let me be clear, I mean mainline only, not the other outfits which have obviously inferior conditions. The benefits of overseas vs subsidiaries is apparent. Apparently according to Crikey news 5 NAA pilots resigned just this week. That’s almost unheard of in mainline despit

Perhaps because it is the only job to aspire to in the country. But if you set foot outside the Australian aviation bubble, you will see that it is not that great and there are many excellent opportunities to be found overseas.

[Big Silver Spoon]

Originally Posted by MartyMcflyface

Perhaps because it is the only job to aspire to in the country. But if you set foot outside the Australian aviation bubble, you will see that it is not that great and there are many excellent opportunities to be found overseas.

However, if the ones who stepped out of the Australian bubble were lucky enough to get a white hat, they wouldn’t be in the queue to take the excellent opportunities overseas.

[soseg]

Originally Posted by Big Silver Spoon

However, if the ones who stepped out of the Australian bubble were lucky enough to get a white hat, they wouldn’t be in the queue to take the excellent opportunities overseas.

Plenty of pilots on the hold file, or others who already had started have left to go overseas. I personally have four close friends who gave up their seniority or hold file to work overseas, and have heard of many more.

[JamieMaree]

Originally Posted by soseg

Plenty of pilots on the hold file, or others who already had started have left to go overseas. I personally have four close friends who gave up their seniority or hold file to work overseas, and have heard of many more.

That is actually a win- win.
A win for those who are or would be unhappy working for Qantas to go and do something else and a win for those who get jobs to take their place.

[junior.VH-LFA]

Originally Posted by dr dre

Why then is QF (the topic of this thread btw) always massively oversubscribed for recruitment? By a ratio of 4-5x as many positions as required? And it is uncommon to hear of mainline pilots resigning for other work.

Let me be clear, I mean mainline only, not the other outfits which have obviously inferior conditions. The benefits of overseas vs subsidiaries is apparent. Apparently according to Crikey news 5 NAA pilots resigned just this week. That’s almost unheard of in mainline despite being much larger.

Simple. If you have a family here who wants to stay here, it’s the best job available. It has nothing to do with flying or working in Australia being better - not every pilot in Australia though can just disregard their families wishes and move across the world.

[ebarw]

Had an interview last year aug and was put on hold sept 2023, any idea on how many people are on hold or how recruitment is going? I’m a qgpa grad so any news on qlink or Jetstar courses going out?

[chuq]

Originally Posted by ebarw

Had an interview last year aug and was put on hold sept 2023, any idea on how many people are on hold or how recruitment is going? I’m a qgpa grad so any news on qlink or Jetstar courses going out?

Just out of interest did you come straight out of QGPA to an interview with low hours or have you been flying for a bit to build time.

Looking to potentially head there next year so trying to gauge where some past graduates are these days.

[ebarw]

Originally Posted by chuq

Just out of interest did you come straight out of QGPA to an interview with low hours or have you been flying for a bit to build time.

Looking to potentially head there next year so trying to gauge where some past graduates are these days.

I graduated in early 2022 and have been working to build hours since then. Have heard of a lot of low hour guys getting through straight away though

[chuq]

Originally Posted by ebarw

I graduated in early 2022 and have been working to build hours since then. Have heard of a lot of low hour guys getting through straight away though

How about Qantas’s advertised “GA partners” for their graduates. Do they make it any easier or is job hunting the same? I’m Still keen on the program regardless but still gathering info.

[mikewil]

Can anyone elaborate on what the "Qantas group medical" involves that isn't already covered in the CASA Class 1 medical?

[morno]

No longer done

[mikewil]

Originally Posted by morno

No longer done

I heard this may be the case. Interesting to still see it listed on some (recently posted) QF group direct entry job ads. The wonderful world of HR...

[bendo77]

How long should an external applicant expect to be on the hold file from this round of recruits?

[JPJP]

Originally Posted by dr dre

Why then is QF (the topic of this thread btw) always massively oversubscribed for recruitment? By a ratio of 4-5x as many positions as required? And it is uncommon to hear of mainline pilots resigning for other work.

Let me be clear, I mean mainline only, not the other outfits which have obviously inferior conditions. The benefits of overseas vs subsidiaries is apparent. Apparently according to Crikey news 5 NAA pilots resigned just this week. That’s almost unheard of in mainline despite being much larger.

The answer to your question is self evident. Qantas mainline is the proverbial one eyed man in the land of the blind. A big fish in a tiny monopoly, masquerading as an airline industry. A pilot group that lifted the shirt, licked the ring and voted in a B scale for new joiners. Terrified by empty threats centered around an aircraft that doesn’t even exist yet. Pilots apply to Qantas because it’s the lesser of two evils. An outsourced, poorly paid, whipsaw subsidiary. Or a deeply average set of terms and conditions at mainline.

Your schadenfreude is showing,