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Old 13th Oct 2023, 02:28
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I used to fly over there sometimes to do ZQN flying and as an Aussie EBA FO I was making more than the JQNZ captains.
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Old 13th Oct 2023, 02:29
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Originally Posted by Hollywood1
Do they both have the same check and training department and personnel?
Yeah a lot of the NZ guys come to Australia to train and the training departments do overlap.

I can't stress enough, do not go on the NZ contract!
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Old 13th Oct 2023, 05:01
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does JQ alow people to transfer between (even if means starting bottom) ? and do many jqnz people get released to mainline?
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Old 13th Oct 2023, 05:56
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Originally Posted by Eaglerocker
does JQ alow people to transfer between (even if means starting bottom) ? and do many jqnz people get released to mainline?
Yes, you can transfer. Nz to Oz, you will basically start again, year 1 pay, 6 months probation, previous time in the company disregarded, except for your Qantas group start date for staff travel.
Havenít heard of any issues transferring to mainline from Jqnz.
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Old 13th Oct 2023, 06:05
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thanks mate. im aware JQ releases 2 a month to mainline based on seniority and wondered if that had included NZ or they have their own system for it
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Old 31st Oct 2023, 04:57
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Announcement Thursday - crew rest refitted into the 787ís? 😂😂😂
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Old 31st Oct 2023, 09:42
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It will be the new gender neutral uniform presentation. Seems like the managers are creaming themselves about it.
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Old 31st Oct 2023, 12:18
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It will be the new gender neutral uniform presentation. Seems like the managers are creaming themselves about it.
At least no more clown pants.
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Old 23rd Nov 2023, 13:15
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Anyone here able to give us an idea of what rosters are like at Jetstar? Number of hours flown a month/ expected layovers?
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Old 23rd Nov 2023, 13:20
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Originally Posted by Konyagi
Yes, you can transfer. Nz to Oz, you will basically start again, year 1 pay, 6 months probation, previous time in the company disregarded, except for your Qantas group start date for staff travel.
Havenít heard of any issues transferring to mainline from Jqnz.
Just so everyone is clear in this fact - you cannot transfer from Jetstar NZ to Jetstar Australia, you will have to resign, you willnlosr your place in the que and currently there's an agreement on what's or who would be accepted.

Please be careful before you take on a NZ role, you will have to start again IF you get a position under JQ Australia.
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Old 23rd Nov 2023, 20:28
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Originally Posted by LostontheLOC
Just so everyone is clear in this fact - you cannot transfer from Jetstar NZ to Jetstar Australia, you will have to resign, you willnlosr your place in the que and currently there's an agreement on what's or who would be accepted.

Please be careful before you take on a NZ role, you will have to start again IF you get a position under JQ Australia.
Itís the same if you were to move to Jetstar NZ from Jetstar AUS. It may not be as attractive but people are still doing it. Long gone are the days of LWOP unfortunately
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Old 24th Nov 2023, 00:30
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Originally Posted by HOOROO
Itís the same if you were to move to Jetstar NZ from Jetstar AUS. It may not be as attractive but people are still doing it. Long gone are the days of LWOP unfortunately
If you would like to fly in NZ there's options if you with Jetstar Australia! there's a Melbourne CPT atm who lives in Auckland and picking up NZ runs on the Australian contract.

A FO I was flying with the other day spent close to a week there on WDOs. He worked out that his FO pay was higher then a NZ CPT for the year, it's just not right.

I love the cuzzies over the ditch, but they are getting screwed in their contract.
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Old 24th Nov 2023, 00:36
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Originally Posted by LostontheLOC
If you would like to fly in NZ there's options if you with Jetstar Australia! there's a Melbourne CPT atm who lives in Auckland and picking up NZ runs on the Australian contract.

A FO I was flying with the other day spent close to a week there on WDOs. He worked out that his FO pay was higher then a NZ CPT for the year, it's just not right.

I love the cuzzies over the ditch, but they are getting screwed in their contract.
Everyone in NZ knows that prick of a Captain.
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Old 24th Nov 2023, 01:31
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So a couple of fellas worked out how to use the contract to their advantage, and you didn't or won't, what's the problem?
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Old 24th Nov 2023, 01:37
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Originally Posted by LostontheLOC
If you would like to fly in NZ there's options if you with Jetstar Australia! there's a Melbourne CPT atm who lives in Auckland and picking up NZ runs on the Australian contract.

A FO I was flying with the other day spent close to a week there on WDOs. He worked out that his FO pay was higher then a NZ CPT for the year, it's just not right.

I love the cuzzies over the ditch, but they are getting screwed in their contract.

That is exactly the sort of behaviour that means the NZ contract will not improve. The Kiwis are trying there hardest to improve the contract but the Aussies come over on days off which masks the crew shortage and then they lose their bargaining power.
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Old 24th Nov 2023, 01:41
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Originally Posted by Mr Mossberg
So a couple of fellas worked out how to use the contract to their advantage, and you didn't or won't, what's the problem?
The problem is itís at the expense of the NZ pilots and NZ operation. Thatís been made pretty clear. NZ pilots canít fly in Aussie so why the other way?
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Old 24th Nov 2023, 01:42
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Originally Posted by Mr Mossberg
So a couple of fellas worked out how to use the contract to their advantage, and you didn't or won't, what's the problem?
The issue comes down to the NZ operation trying to improve the terms and conditions to something seemingly comparable. But each time it happens, there is a long list of Australian pilots who are prepared to come over here to fly domestically on the EBA so the company can keep the NZ conditions subpar, or stops NZ FOís being upgraded.

Anyway, these two based in Australia, come over on their leave and days off (with their uniforms, you need to be a special person to take your uniform on leave) and take flying away from pilots in NZ who are either on standby, or available to work those days.

What would the Australian unions do if a kiwi came to the Gold Coast on leave and did the same? I think you know that NZ pilots canít do that, but Australian pilots think it is perfectly OK to do the same in reverse.
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Old 24th Nov 2023, 01:56
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The problem is it’s at the expense of the NZ pilots and NZ operation. That’s been made pretty clear. NZ pilots can’t fly in Aussie so why the other way?
So why was the original contract signed in the first place? If you knew the conditions the Australians were on, and you would have, why was the contracted signed by you lot? You're actually blaming two pilots for your crap conditions?

What would the Australian unions do if a kiwi came to the Gold Coast on leave and did the same? I think you know that NZ pilots can’t do that, but Australian pilots think it is perfectly OK to do the same in reverse.
There is a long, looooong list of kiwi pilot behaviour that has been self serving and to the detriment of other pilots. There's also a long list of the same from Australian pilots. What's the solution do you reckon?
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Old 24th Nov 2023, 02:07
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Originally Posted by Mr Mossberg
So why was the original contract signed in the first place? If you knew the conditions the Australians were on, and you would have, why was the contracted signed by you lot? You're actually blaming two pilots for your crap conditions?

The NZ pilot group has been steadily improving the contract over the years, however it has been really difficult to deal with the Qantas group IR beast. Every time we try and improve the company uses Aussie pilots to crew the flights. It is not just 2 pilots. There have been hundreds of pilots since Jetstar nz started, working the system to their advantage and to hell with the NZ pilot group. Itís fine for Aussies to take the jobs of any other pilot group but no one can ever set a foot near their jobs.
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Old 24th Nov 2023, 02:19
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Originally Posted by nvfr
The NZ pilot group has been steadily improving the contract over the years, however it has been really difficult to deal with the Qantas group IR beast. Every time we try and improve the company uses Aussie pilots to crew the flights. It is not just 2 pilots. There have been hundreds of pilots since Jetstar nz started, working the system to their advantage and to hell with the NZ pilot group. Itís fine for Aussies to take the jobs of any other pilot group but no one can ever set a foot near their jobs.
There's hasn't been hundreds of pilots, there's been a handful at best, and the issue isn't Australian pilots that are the issue it's the union that seems to have no substance.

There's also IR laws that inhibit NZ pilots working in Australia, otherwise the company would be pushing very hard for the NZ guys to come over and fill the space.
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