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Old 24th Nov 2023, 06:53
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Originally Posted by Mr Mossberg
Knowingly signing a sub standard contract, then 'working very hard to improve the contract' is ridiculous. You know improvements are not going to happen.
Huuuuuh? Do you mean you would join an outfit, and come EBA renewal time you would rather keep to your expired T&Cs than persue improvements?

Sounds to me like the guy who flys over from OZ on leave to cover the JQ NZ flying has just revealed himself to pprune.
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Old 24th Nov 2023, 08:48
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Originally Posted by Lapon
Huuuuuh? Do you mean you would join an outfit, and come EBA renewal time you would rather keep to your expired T&Cs than persue improvements?

Sounds to me like the guy who flys over from OZ on leave to cover the JQ NZ flying has just revealed himself to pprune.
Potentially..

However, how ever you look at it the contract in NZ is far below the standard at which they should be on and deserve to be on - similar to network flighting for basic and standards in their contract. Whether you like it or not, he's not wrong.
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Old 24th Nov 2023, 21:12
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You would be just an absolute delight to work with in the flight deck.
I know right! a real prick

​​​​​​​Huuuuuh? Do you mean you would join an outfit, and come EBA renewal time you would rather keep to your expired T&Cs than persue improvements?
No, absolutely not. I wouldn't join the outfit in the first place.

​​​​​​​Sounds to me like the guy who flys over from OZ on leave to cover the JQ NZ flying has just revealed himself to pprune.
Nah, I'm not that fella. Or his mate. Or any of the others that do it. Leave is too important to me to do that sort of stuff.
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Old 24th Nov 2023, 21:50
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Anyone remember the original JQ contract. The pilots took it then fought hard to improve it, albeit with a little bit of infighting. Now JQ NZ pilots are trying to do the same and it is hindered by Aussie EBA guys looking out for themselves.

and yes it has been hundreds over the years not a handful at best.
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Old 24th Nov 2023, 22:17
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Originally Posted by nvfr
Anyone remember the original JQ contract. The pilots took it then fought hard to improve it, albeit with a little bit of infighting. Now JQ NZ pilots are trying to do the same and it is hindered by Aussie EBA guys looking out for themselves.

and yes it has been hundreds over the years not a handful at best.
Australians are not inhibiting the EBA negotiations, you need to stop blaming them, as we are down about 70-90 pilots as it is, no one has the man power to support any sort of PIA defence.

If you want change you have to start with the union and the pilot base as a whole.
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Old 25th Nov 2023, 04:19
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Originally Posted by Mr Mossberg
No, absolutely not. I wouldn't join the outfit in the first place.
But you consider it ridiculous that anyone who does join ever tries to improve things?

Far from considering it ridiculous I think good on them for trying to fix things.



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Old 25th Nov 2023, 12:14
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But you consider it ridiculous that anyone who does join ever tries to improve things?
You reckon that Jetstar are going to say "sorry guys, we've decided to pay you the same as Aussie"

​​​​​​​Just like QF are saying to the Network guys "sorry guys............
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Old 25th Nov 2023, 12:41
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Originally Posted by Mr Mossberg
You reckon that Jetstar are going to say "sorry guys, we've decided to pay you the same as Aussie"

Just like QF are saying to the Network guys "sorry guys............
And look what's happening with Network, pilot unity, strong desire from Union reps and the pilot base and what is happening? a lot of change, the inequality has been brought forward and the foundation of "the wage policy" is dying.

NZ can take a lot from Network in regards to this.
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Old 25th Nov 2023, 20:43
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Originally Posted by Mr Mossberg
You reckon that Jetstar are going to say "sorry guys, we've decided to pay you the same as Aussie"

Just like QF are saying to the Network guys "sorry guys............
I don't know what JQ NZ are after.
Improvements don't necessarily mean equal pay to thier Australian based cousins, it means improving whats important to JQ NZ over what they have now.

A ridiculous pursuit you maintain?
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Old 26th Nov 2023, 01:57
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And look what's happening with Network, pilot unity, strong desire from Union reps and the pilot base and what is happening? a lot of change, the inequality has been brought forward and the foundation of "the wage policy" is dying.
Let's hope that is the case. The jury is out until the new agreement is signed.

​​​​​​​A ridiculous pursuit you maintain?
Yes, Jetsar has JQ NZ's measure.
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Old 26th Nov 2023, 02:15
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Originally Posted by Lapon
I don't know what JQ NZ are after.
Improvements don't necessarily mean equal pay to thier Australian based cousins, it means improving whats important to JQ NZ over what they have now.
They should be aiming for AirNZ standards, there's no reason why they should not be aiming for their direct competitor in NZ.
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Old 26th Nov 2023, 02:51
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When do the Kiwis negotiate?
I agree that they should be aiming for Air NZ standards. The flying is almost identical and the parent company is at least as financially capable of supporting the raise as Air NZ is. Aim for it and if it falls slightly short then itís still a good bump.
If the Jetstar NZ pilots donít get a good bump in the next round of negotiations then they probably wonít get one in the next twenty years. This next eighteen months is the best window for a shot that has been seen in thirty years and probably wonít be seen for another thirty years. Pull the trigger, or donít.
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Old 26th Nov 2023, 02:55
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current contract expires in september 24
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Old 11th Dec 2023, 15:35
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Jetstar 787

New to the entire JQ landscape here. Anyone able to give any insight on how hiring on the 787 works? Are pilots only recruited via the second officer program? Or is it possible to join as 320 f/o and then get a fleet change at some point?
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Old 11th Dec 2023, 22:57
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Originally Posted by captainhan
New to the entire JQ landscape here. Anyone able to give any insight on how hiring on the 787 works? Are pilots only recruited via the second officer program? Or is it possible to join as 320 f/o and then get a fleet change at some point?
Entry positions into Jetstar Australia are 787 SO and A320 FO. Any vacancies on the 787 for FO or CP are advertised and yes you can bid from A320 FO over if your seniority allows.
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Old 12th Dec 2023, 06:34
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Anyone know rough time to command in NZ?
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Old 12th Dec 2023, 23:03
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Traditionally around 4 years but that has included the occasional FO getting commands at 12 months to 2 years if they have previous jet experience.
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Old 18th Dec 2023, 15:17
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What’s command time currently sitting at on the 320 across the Australian bases?

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Old 18th Dec 2023, 22:51
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Depends on the base you want and your hours. Conservatively running at under 5 years for most bases with the exception of Brisbane and Gold Coast which is 8-10 years. Sydney probably closer to 2-3 years however, there is speculation of 320 DEC into Sydney as current drivers on the list donít meet hour requirements.
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Old 19th Dec 2023, 01:55
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What are the hour requirements for a command upgrade other than ATPL hours?
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