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Old 11th Apr 2024, 01:40
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Originally Posted by Pickle123
I don't quite understand how the file works but seems weird to have such long wait times.
Yea itís definitely not ideal. Seems to be either you get a call within a few months or youíre left stranded and thereís no inbetween. Hereís hoping by the end of the year at this stage.
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Old 11th Apr 2024, 06:51
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Originally Posted by ebarw
Yea itís definitely not ideal. Seems to be either you get a call within a few months or youíre left stranded and thereís no inbetween. Hereís hoping by the end of the year at this stage.
Probably depends on the type rating training providers, and whether they have slots available at the moment. That's where the bottle neck seems to be.
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Old 13th Apr 2024, 05:01
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There is an ENORMOUS training load at the moment, probably the biggest I've ever seen there. This isn't just direct entry, but includes command upgrades and cadets. The Melbourne base has very few line captains left that aren't either training or checking and the people left probably won't with good reason. Quite a few people have been allocated commands with no hint of start dates in sight based on the above issues. Sim time is also another huge constraint. Everything they have access to is usually at maximum capacity, plus they've had a few people fall over at various stages of training lately which increases the load further on the training system.

I know it won't help much, but sit tight, the call will come when they can fit in more.

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Old 13th Apr 2024, 07:50
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Originally Posted by Gear in transit
There is an ENORMOUS training load at the moment, probably the biggest I've ever seen there. This isn't just direct entry, but includes command upgrades and cadets. The Melbourne base has very few line captains left that aren't either training or checking and the people left probably won't with good reason. Quite a few people have been allocated commands with no hint of start dates in site based on the above issues. Sim time is also another huge constraint. Everything they have access to is usually at maximum capacity, plus they've had a few people fall over at various stages of training lately which increases the load further on the training system.

I know it won't help much, but sit tight, the call will come when they can fit in more.
I appreciate it, makes it seem a bit more hopeful. Hopefully it clears up at some point.
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Old 14th Apr 2024, 09:14
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Aus vs NZ

New to pprune here. Can anyone tell me how the Aus and NZ Jetstar salaries compare? Reading this thread Iím aware the NZ package is much worse, but by how much? I canít find actual figures.

It sounds like Aus time to command is fairly quick if youíre willing to relocate to an unfavourable base. What is the time to command in NZ as a comparison?
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Old 15th Apr 2024, 04:28
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Originally Posted by TimeOnType
New to pprune here. Can anyone tell me how the Aus and NZ Jetstar salaries compare? Reading this thread Iím aware the NZ package is much worse, but by how much? I canít find actual figures.

It sounds like Aus time to command is fairly quick if youíre willing to relocate to an unfavourable base. What is the time to command in NZ as a comparison?
I worked in NZ before, personally apart from the money you get the living condition is better in Australia, well at least compared to Auckland, itís just too expensive with lower quality in general compared to any major cities in Australia. Itís very subjective though, and on the bright side, NZers are in general very friendly and cool people to deal with both at work and in daily life.
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Old 16th Apr 2024, 01:45
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Basically:
Jetstar NZ / Jetstar Oz
Salary FO Year 1: $111,361 / $124,204
Extra Flying Pay $150.54 65+ / $ Salary / 787 = 157.81 75+
ZQN Pay $3,000 on base pay / ZERO
$25.26 per entry / ZERO
Company Pension 4.5% of base / 11%

The NZ union did a recent pay comparison and it showed for a Jetstar NZ pilot doing 70 hours per month for 10.5 months (12 months minus leave) you can expect circa $140,000 per annum, for the same time and also 70 hours in OZ as an FO you can expect circa $175,000 (Kiwi Dollars). Obviously once you take the extra flying allowance and other contract allowances into account this gap just widens and it is not unheard of for an FO in OZ to push the 200k + mark whereas that would not happen in NZ. You become Queenstown rated with a little bit of extra training that can be done 6 months in. NZ gets extra flying pay over 65 hours per month whereas OZ gets it at 75 hours. Lots of little got ya's like in NZ there is no credit for sims every 6 months where as in OZ you get 11 hours per six months which can mean you are in overtime for that month. Over night allowances also vary quite a bit, in NZ you get $5.50 per hour from sign on to sign off in home base meaning for 24 hours away you get $132 tax free with no extra overnight allowance. In OZ the duty allowance is significantly more. Over all you will get a significantly better yearly pay in Australia. The NZ contract is currently due to expire towards the end of the year so you can expect the numbers above to be a bit better. If I wasn't tied to either country and had the choice I would go for the Australian operation every time, expanding operation, access to the 787, better pay etc. But hey, the choice is yours.
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Old 16th Apr 2024, 03:15
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Very helpful thanks.

Any idea of time to command in NZ vs AUS outside SYD or MEL?
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Old 16th Apr 2024, 07:32
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Old 17th Apr 2024, 06:22
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Originally Posted by TimeOnType
Very helpful thanks.

Any idea of time to command in NZ vs AUS outside SYD or MEL?
Ages. Not unachievable but MEL/SYD are the biggest bases followed by BNE. The other bases are smaller comparatively, so the movement is usually slower.
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Old 13th May 2024, 05:31
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How is Perth base looking for new joiners? Have JQ been offering Perth to new recruits yet?
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Old 13th May 2024, 21:53
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Not as yet. The base is really only just setting up again. The pilot numbers they wanted for Perth were high, in part due to the new routes they want to fly. Some of those routes hadnít even received (or begun?) regulatory approval at announcement time so it will need more time.

Aeroplanes are already based there and have been for awhile, but it will need a few neoís established before it really cranks up and thus more crew.
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Old 14th May 2024, 01:03
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Perth base for new joiners is guaranteed
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Old 14th May 2024, 01:15
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Originally Posted by mppgf
Perth base for new joiners is guaranteed
I guess the wait for command would be many years !!!
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Old 15th May 2024, 03:41
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Originally Posted by volare_737
I guess the wait for command would be many years !!!
actually its not, I believe there's one or two more slots available - Perth will be one of the best bases for flying, unfortunately you live in Perth..
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Old 15th May 2024, 23:52
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Any Internals applied and been succesful lately? Also does anyone know the legal framework for LWOP (leave without pay)? Does there need to be extenuating circumstances, or can you apply and is the company required to accept under industrial law?
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Old 16th May 2024, 00:10
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Any Internals applied and been succesful lately? Also does anyone know the legal framework for LWOP (leave without pay)? Does there need to be extenuating circumstances, or can you apply and is the company required to accept under industrial law?
GenerallyÖ. Jetstar will only approve LWOP to go to another Jetstar entity, and only when there isnít a shortage at JQ AUS. The positions would also have to be advertised via a FSO for all and sundry to apply.
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Old 16th May 2024, 03:02
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LWOP is a tool for HR to manage pilot surplus, same as the MOU. Don't think that they will allow it to be used as a vehicle for you to obtain experience with another airline which would enhance your skills.
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Old 16th May 2024, 21:45
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Does anyone know the amount of JQ people on hold for mainline ? I understand they release 2 a month based on seniority. How long could someone expect to be on a hold file, how does this compare between JQ AUS and JQ NZ? TIA
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Old 17th May 2024, 01:12
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The release is not strictly on seniority and last I heard there were circa 100 pilots to go from across the group. Could be a long wait.
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