Qantas Engineering redundances - Advice required!!!
Eshlon, you are so right on the money with your comment.
I have seen some total morons survive VR/CR not because they are hard working and talented people, but because they are part of the furniture, or they know how to use the HR system to their advantage.
Once they survive they are then normally promoted out of danger to lead a project or some other bullsh1t non productive position.
Whatever way this is done it will never be fair and equitable to all parties involved. Never has been,never will be. It will be run the same way as training spots, the ALAEA can fight tooth and nail over the meaning of a word, but as they have shown in the last 12 months, it doesn't matter what is written in an EBA, to them it means nothing.
This sort of stuff should be handled by a third party organisation chosen by both parties, one that doesn't know anyone,or has nothing to gain or lose by making the decisions.
As long as management is involved, no one in the firing line will like they way it unfolds.
I have seen some total morons survive VR/CR not because they are hard working and talented people, but because they are part of the furniture, or they know how to use the HR system to their advantage.
Once they survive they are then normally promoted out of danger to lead a project or some other bullsh1t non productive position.
Whatever way this is done it will never be fair and equitable to all parties involved. Never has been,never will be. It will be run the same way as training spots, the ALAEA can fight tooth and nail over the meaning of a word, but as they have shown in the last 12 months, it doesn't matter what is written in an EBA, to them it means nothing.
This sort of stuff should be handled by a third party organisation chosen by both parties, one that doesn't know anyone,or has nothing to gain or lose by making the decisions.
As long as management is involved, no one in the firing line will like they way it unfolds.
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I agree with the sentiments that this process will not be "fair" to all those in the firing line. We can all probably formulate examples of inequity with regards to training and other advancement opportunities. You can't lay blame on someone who hasn't been trained on a new type. Some guys get overlooked through no fault of their own. I guess that is simply the nature of the beast. Good engineers, both LAME and AME will lose out and everyone will be impacted to some degree either directly or not. And if we survive this round.. then there is always the next round..
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LOFO will protect some useless ass LAME's; is there a way that ALAEA and the company can weed these types of pricks out?
Also, we have a joke of a performance review mechanism, that does us no favours.
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You can't possibly think that treating a 767 licence, soon to be obsolete is the same as a full B1.1 guy with a A380?
The only people who will want "last in first off" are the old timers, hoping they will not be low on the list. I bet the attitude changes when the 200+ go and its time for round 2.
VR and no CR is the only real fair way!
Where does it say specifically "last in first off"? 55.7.4 service with the Company could be read as "well you have been around a long time so see you later"......
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"How about you forget about the licence and think about the person." - That makes for really smart business. Maybe you should be in government.
There will never be any totally fair way to to shaft people, and I'm sad they are doing it. All because of incompetent management. A lot of people get comfortable, and want the company to hand everything out. Soon a lot will be welcomed to the real world with open arms and I guarantee they will look back where they were and wish they hadn't whinged so much.
There will never be any totally fair way to to shaft people, and I'm sad they are doing it. All because of incompetent management. A lot of people get comfortable, and want the company to hand everything out. Soon a lot will be welcomed to the real world with open arms and I guarantee they will look back where they were and wish they hadn't whinged so much.
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Maybe we can be a bit more constructive on this thread and start posting job opportunities available out there (in Sydney and other locations where redundancies are taking place). It may take some stress out of the situation, and possibly enable us all to reconsider our prospects within this dwindling industry.
Any takers??
Any takers??
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Is it possible to dismiss members from our union?
Where does it say specifically "last in first off"? 55.7.4 service with the Company could be read as "well you have been around a long time so see you later"......
LOFO will protect some useless ass LAME's; is there a way that ALAEA and the company can weed these types of pricks out?
This sort of stuff should be handled by a third party organisation chosen by both parties, one that doesn't know anyone,or has nothing to gain or lose by making the decisions.
There will never be any totally fair way to to shaft people, and I'm sad they are doing it. All because of incompetent management.
Crisis phone hookup today between Nass and has managers. Apparently maintenance is building up fast and planes are not getting out. The more it builds, the less people they can make redundant. Your future is in your hands guys. Please report any bastard who is bending the rules to make it work on 500s and 2000s and get them to the alaea.
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Maybe we can be a bit more constructive on this thread and start posting job opportunities available out there
Exactly,
Did i mention the several transfers available to BNE LMO.
b1 and b2 required.
Exactly,
Did i mention the several transfers available to BNE LMO.
b1 and b2 required.
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LOFO will protect some useless ass LAME's; is there a way that ALAEA and the
company can weed these types of pricks out?
Time to take a pill and step back into the real world Qantas want everyone gone and could not careless what the ALAEA or the workforce want .
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Time to take a pill and step back into the real world Qantas want everyone gone and could not careless what the ALAEA or the workforce want .
There is only one way to make Qantas take notice of what you want.
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Regardless of all of the different opinions as to what is or isn't fair and the various interpretations of the EBA, the obvious question remains;
From the Qantas / ALAEA discussions so far, what criteira will qantas most likely use to decide who goes (best guess?) or do I have to wait untill a meeting to hear about it?
From the Qantas / ALAEA discussions so far, what criteira will qantas most likely use to decide who goes (best guess?) or do I have to wait untill a meeting to hear about it?
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Skill, experience and years of service are the criteria the EBA discusses (oh, yes, and operational requirements). Qantas have produced a complex skills matrix with 7 different "weighted" bands, with about 20 different "skills" spread across the bands.
So far all of their efforts seem to have been concentrated on the skills matrix because nothing has emerged about the other criteria of experience or years of service. Hope the next two matrix aren't as complex as the first.
So far all of their efforts seem to have been concentrated on the skills matrix because nothing has emerged about the other criteria of experience or years of service. Hope the next two matrix aren't as complex as the first.
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Yes. Thinking optimistically... What was I thinking! 
Good luck Fed Sec. Keep up the good work.
This is where I turn into a cynical, tactless diatribe writing AME.
Go stuff yourselves and have a good Christmas
Good luck Fed Sec. Keep up the good work.
This is where I turn into a cynical, tactless diatribe writing AME.
Go stuff yourselves and have a good Christmas
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Skill, experience and years of service are the criteria the EBA discusses
(oh, yes, and operational requirements). Qantas have produced a complex skills
matrix with 7 different "weighted" bands, with about 20 different "skills"
spread across the bands.
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