Qantas Engineering redundances - Advice required!!!
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Interesting article about Turkish Airlines, 777-300ER, Qantas in regards to fleet choice.
Turkish Airlines orders 777s for possible Australia flights | Plane Talking
Turkish Airlines orders 777s for possible Australia flights | Plane Talking
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Actually a lot of Asian MROs want to see your training certificates.
You can have all the ratings under the sun in your AMEL, but without the training certificates you are likely to be rejected.
GLTA !
You can have all the ratings under the sun in your AMEL, but without the training certificates you are likely to be rejected.
GLTA !
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To all those here that think O/T is killing job prospects and undoing all the fine work our "forefathers" fought for before us, here's a couple of interesting quotes that are the real reasons why job prospects are being killed off:
@ALAEA Fed Sec
Your future is in your own hands.
@buggerme
The quotes below are those that feel O/T is the cause of job losses. Do what you believe is right, but don't go knocking those that believe they are doing right. The gravy train at QANTAS is nothing new. Unfortunately, there is nothing to save the 204 in SYD to go, or those in AVV, and once this backlog is cleared, there will be nothing to stop the next lot (however many) to go, and we are all potentially at threat of being given the chop. No one is exempt O/T or no O/T.
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@1me
@the_company_spy
@up2us
@ALAEA Fed Sec
@ALAEA Fed Sec
In case you missedit, CASA is run by Qantas. Qantas can do as they please. There is a Dutchmanager with a Texan mate who would have 20 AMEs per LAME. Unfortunately thereare also a large number of LAMEs who sign for work unsighted.
Your future is in your own hands.
The problem is thatthere are too many leading/ acting leading hands that are pushing their crewstoo hard to achieve what the company wants no matter what, so they look good[in their opinion] they can safeguard their jobs. Don't they realise that they canbe on the hit list, whether it be just now or six months down the track,unfortunately they are very shortsighted as if they don't fit into the longterm plans they will be gone just like the rest of us.
The quotes below are those that feel O/T is the cause of job losses. Do what you believe is right, but don't go knocking those that believe they are doing right. The gravy train at QANTAS is nothing new. Unfortunately, there is nothing to save the 204 in SYD to go, or those in AVV, and once this backlog is cleared, there will be nothing to stop the next lot (however many) to go, and we are all potentially at threat of being given the chop. No one is exempt O/T or no O/T.
@genxfrog
The stampede to workovertime whilst our mates are being necked is a typical example of our lack ofcredibility when it comes to supporting one another and regardless if someonecan do with the extra dough.....it's indefensible.
I understand thateveryone's circumstances are different, and who couldn't use a little extracash at this time of year? On the other hand, if there is the slightest chancethat what I do could affect the livelihoods of my colleagues, in a climate suchas this, then perhaps I should give pause and consider the implications.
I would never be so rude as to show my frustration to those who come in andwork OT on my crew but I'll make a mental note, and in the unlikely event thatI survive this cull I'll know who hasn't got my back.
I would never be so rude as to show my frustration to those who come in andwork OT on my crew but I'll make a mental note, and in the unlikely event thatI survive this cull I'll know who hasn't got my back.
QF94, if someone is relieving at an out station, presumably theycover his/her absence with overtime if required. Same for people acting inhigher roles. I don't get asked to fill in at out stations, I don't get askedto act in higher duties, but I do from time to time get asked if I am availableto work overtime. This is something I can control.
We have inheritedsome pretty good conditions from our forefathers & they had to fight prettydam hard so we can enjoy these benefits! so out of respect for these inheritedconditions( and our mates in the firing line) its pretty easy to say 'NO to theOT'.
@ALAEA Fed Sec
Yes. The stance onO/T has always been the same. Excessive overtime costs jobs. It annoys me thatsome people work excessive overtime then get on here and try and justify it.You can't.
If you wanna work massive amounts of overtime Qf94, that's fine.There is no ban on but please don't get on here and try to convince others that it is the right thing to do. It costs jobs. Pure and simple. You and your wordsare making it harder for another man to feed his family. Looking forward to reading your latest justification or excuse about 30 minutes after I make this post.
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If all of the LAMEs at Qf said no to OT for 2 weeks and followed the PPM to the letter during this time (including supervising everything that they sign for), it would show QFs redundancy policy for what it is. An absolute joke. Nothing would make it out on time. Stop propping up a broken system by finding shortcuts around the problems. That is for management to worry about.
Unfortunately, that would require a workforce with a bit of backbone. So long as all of the jellyfish keep showing up and doing all that is asked of them, QF will have their way.
Unfortunately, that would require a workforce with a bit of backbone. So long as all of the jellyfish keep showing up and doing all that is asked of them, QF will have their way.
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@QF94:
Don't you think it a little odd that for a considerable time prior to the big announcement, O/T was sporadic to non-existent and then all of a sudden it's a virtual open slather once the announcement of job cuts is made? Call me cynical but something's not kosher. LAME's are notoriously bad at thinking rationally when presented with the lure of $$$. We are our own worst enemy and the company knows this!
Don't you think it a little odd that for a considerable time prior to the big announcement, O/T was sporadic to non-existent and then all of a sudden it's a virtual open slather once the announcement of job cuts is made? Call me cynical but something's not kosher. LAME's are notoriously bad at thinking rationally when presented with the lure of $$$. We are our own worst enemy and the company knows this!
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I need to justify nothing to anybody. No guilt to shake. The only thing shaking is my head at the poor silly group that think for one second they're going to hold the company to ransom by boycotting O/T.
One Eye Redundant
Following the PPM to the letter should be standard. Not a form of protest. It highlights the slackness and contempt people have for the jobs they're currently in.
It just goes to show the hypocrisy of the naysayers here. Hit the O/T and prop the broken system up every other time, but when the screws are tightening down on you, you want to stop propping up the system. Get over yourselves.
1me
I don't think anything is odd anymore in the workplace. More and more restricting policies, more managers, less and less workers. The more changes that are inflicted on us, the more things stay the same. The place is a broken record.
With the onset of our future living being cut, I will try and make whatever $$$ I can in the meantime. You can try and justify cutting your nose off to spite your face. That's your choice. You'll be walking out the gate with your nose in your hand, and nothing to show for it. I'll just be walking out with a few more $$$ in my pocket.
Because remember, once you're out the gates, you will NEVER get the conditions you currently enjoy (as bad as you may think it is). You won't last five minutes if you oppose everything not to your liking. Just ask those that have left QANTAS in the past and returned because it was too tough in the outside world.
QF 94 appears to have worked another overtime shift in hangar 96. Now he is just trying to shake the guilt with justification.
One Eye Redundant
If all of the LAMEs at Qf said no to OT for 2 weeks and followed the PPM to the letter during this time (including supervising everything that they sign for), it would show QFs redundancy policy for what it is. An absolute joke. Nothing would make it out on time. Stop propping up a broken system by finding shortcuts around the problems. That is for management to worry about.
It just goes to show the hypocrisy of the naysayers here. Hit the O/T and prop the broken system up every other time, but when the screws are tightening down on you, you want to stop propping up the system. Get over yourselves.
1me
Don't you think it a little odd that for a considerable time prior to the big announcement, O/T was sporadic to non-existent and then all of a sudden it's a virtual open slather once the announcement of job cuts is made? Call me cynical but something's not kosher. LAME's are notoriously bad at thinking rationally when presented with the lure of $$$. We are our own worst enemy and the company knows this!
With the onset of our future living being cut, I will try and make whatever $$$ I can in the meantime. You can try and justify cutting your nose off to spite your face. That's your choice. You'll be walking out the gate with your nose in your hand, and nothing to show for it. I'll just be walking out with a few more $$$ in my pocket.
Because remember, once you're out the gates, you will NEVER get the conditions you currently enjoy (as bad as you may think it is). You won't last five minutes if you oppose everything not to your liking. Just ask those that have left QANTAS in the past and returned because it was too tough in the outside world.
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@QF94
I'm not talking about holding the company to ransom, merely not going the extra mile to help them out when they clearly seek to rip our guts out. It's about relaxing the "can-do" attitude for a while.
Mate, you're the one stoking the boilers on the QF Titanic..
I'll have my integrity.
I haven't been opposing everything not to my liking. I have never said our conditions were bad, merely the direction those, who should know better, have decided to take us! This is a pretty serious scenario we now find ourselves in. A lot of good people are going to be out of a job soon. I'm simply trying to look beyond myself.
@imperial shifter
I don't see how being unavailable for O/T is biting the hand that feeds us.. But then again what do I know.?
I need to justify nothing to anybody. No guilt to shake. The only thing shaking is my head at the poor silly group that think for one second they're going to hold the company to ransom by boycotting O/T.
It just goes to show the hypocrisy of the naysayers here. Hit the O/T and prop the broken system up every other time, but when the screws are tightening down on you, you want to stop propping up the system. Get over yourselves.
With the onset of our future living being cut, I will try and make whatever $$$ I can in the meantime. You can try and justify cutting your nose off to spite your face. That's your choice. You'll be walking out the gate with your nose in your hand, and nothing to show for it. I'll just be walking out with a few more $$$ in my pocket.
Because remember, once you're out the gates, you will NEVER get the conditions you currently enjoy (as bad as you may think it is). You won't last five minutes if you oppose everything not to your liking. Just ask those that have left QANTAS in the past and returned because it was too tough in the outside world.
@imperial shifter
If you would rather bite the hand that feeds you rather than put some gravey on the roast then fill your boots but your only doing yourself a disservice in the long run.
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Your guts have been ripped out bit by bit over the years. You just haven't noticed until now. It's been a death by a thousand cuts for all these years. Now they're just going to carve up.
Stoking nothing. Just have a different view. If that's stoking, then you're easily stoked.
I still have mine. I'm doing what I'm employed to do, and to avail myself to a reasonable amount of O/T. I hope your "integrity" keeps you employed and put food on your table.
1me, have you NEVER done O/T in the past? If not, then you can say you have integrity for making this stand, BUT if you have done ANY O/T in the past propping up a broken system, then you are a hypocrite.
I'm not talking about holding the company to ransom, merely not going the extra mile to help them out when they clearly seek to rip our guts out. It's about relaxing the "can-do" attitude for a while.
Mate, you're the one stoking the boilers on the QF Titanic..
I'll have my integrity.
1me, have you NEVER done O/T in the past? If not, then you can say you have integrity for making this stand, BUT if you have done ANY O/T in the past propping up a broken system, then you are a hypocrite.
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QF94, you don't have to justify here in fact I'm sure most Pprune readers could care less.
its the court of public opinion with your fellow LAMEs where you will need to explain.
its the court of public opinion with your fellow LAMEs where you will need to explain.
What is the outcomes from the latest meeting Fed Sec? Is it last in first out, oldest and most expensive out, single Boeing license or no QF type and your out.
Or are QF going to keep the non-type rated guys as only QF would?
Or are QF going to keep the non-type rated guys as only QF would?
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"The court of public opinion with your fellow LAMEs." In reality, the opinion of anyone, either in cyberspace or reality is of no consequence to me. What, they're going to call me a "scab"? A company person? One who turns on his own?
QANTAS, and companies like it are snakepits. Everyone are mates until the culling starts, then it's each for themselves, until it's the last one standing. I'm not so blind that there are guys who are going to stand by me if it comes down to me or them. The ALAEA can do nothing. The numbers have been confirmed, it's just a formality as to who are chosen to go. No thanks for the O/T. No thanks for being efficient and putting the company first. Nothing. Just a payout and on your way.
There is no opinion I am answerable to either here or amongst my peers.
Just worry about those that are doing the REAL damage. The one's you normally have to answer to.
QF94, you don't have to justify here in fact I'm sure most PPRuNe readers could care less.
its the court of public opinion with your fellow LAMEs where you will need to explain.
its the court of public opinion with your fellow LAMEs where you will need to explain.
QANTAS, and companies like it are snakepits. Everyone are mates until the culling starts, then it's each for themselves, until it's the last one standing. I'm not so blind that there are guys who are going to stand by me if it comes down to me or them. The ALAEA can do nothing. The numbers have been confirmed, it's just a formality as to who are chosen to go. No thanks for the O/T. No thanks for being efficient and putting the company first. Nothing. Just a payout and on your way.
There is no opinion I am answerable to either here or amongst my peers.
Just worry about those that are doing the REAL damage. The one's you normally have to answer to.
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Your guts have been ripped out bit by bit over the years. You just haven't noticed until now. It's been a death by a thousand cuts for all these years. Now they're just going to carve up.
I hope your "integrity" keeps you employed and put food on your table.
1me, have you NEVER done O/T in the past? If not, then you can say you have integrity for making this stand, BUT if you have done ANY O/T in the past propping up a broken system, then you are a hypocrite.
Despite our differences of opinion QF94, I do sincerely wish you and your family a happy Christmas and a joyous New Year!
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This is exactly what the company wants to happen, why else would they ban OT and reschedule at the drop of a hat a few months ago. Now it has been open slather once more as they schedule training stupidly, composite crews with no licence coverage, the list goes on.
In the weeks before the announcement the OT desperates were having to go to Domestic for their OT. If you are relying on OT to survive now boy are you in for a shock when you have nothing!
Now they have the pleb infighting and it in turn is creating a less efficient workforce, they want SAM to fail, 30% now and another cull in 3 months RP, let it slip at a Cabo meeting.
Their train set is being set up for a big accident.
In the weeks before the announcement the OT desperates were having to go to Domestic for their OT. If you are relying on OT to survive now boy are you in for a shock when you have nothing!
Now they have the pleb infighting and it in turn is creating a less efficient workforce, they want SAM to fail, 30% now and another cull in 3 months RP, let it slip at a Cabo meeting.
Their train set is being set up for a big accident.
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Oh me, oh my, they roll in their graves......
You will all know to whom I address,
Thank god our sacred country is not being invaded by enemy forces. Our fore fathers had some very simple rhymes and reasons. They weeded out the selfish, the shallow, the weak and pitiful. Because on the front line, its all for one, and one for all.
You continue to push forward with you gutless selfish reasoning. You continue to expose your insecurities through your aggression. I almost feel as though I know you intimately. For all those facing an uncertain future, listen to the words of such parasitical beings. Hear them with your gut. You don't have to look far. They are the black sheep.........
KR747
Thank god our sacred country is not being invaded by enemy forces. Our fore fathers had some very simple rhymes and reasons. They weeded out the selfish, the shallow, the weak and pitiful. Because on the front line, its all for one, and one for all.
You continue to push forward with you gutless selfish reasoning. You continue to expose your insecurities through your aggression. I almost feel as though I know you intimately. For all those facing an uncertain future, listen to the words of such parasitical beings. Hear them with your gut. You don't have to look far. They are the black sheep.........
KR747