Qantas Engineering redundances - Advice required!!!
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That qf94 really is a very bad person. You are making lies about Steve he did not say he supports Dixon he just makes it clear that Dixon would be better than Joyce. If I may I can ask you qf94 what option you would be prefering. I ask this because they are the two likely scenarios facing us.
1. Alan Joyce CEO. dismantling maintenance. no new International craft on order. Hands services and routes to EK. Wants to open new Asian airlines with qf equity. Is a greedy liar.
2. Geoff Dixon. will sell Jetstar. invest in Qantas International. Will scrap EK alliance. Will cease new fantasy Asian airlines. Is a greedy liar.
I pick 2. You clearly pick 1 because you are a 380 glory boy who will do anything to make the system work. Please go away we are sick of your bullhsit.
1. Alan Joyce CEO. dismantling maintenance. no new International craft on order. Hands services and routes to EK. Wants to open new Asian airlines with qf equity. Is a greedy liar.
2. Geoff Dixon. will sell Jetstar. invest in Qantas International. Will scrap EK alliance. Will cease new fantasy Asian airlines. Is a greedy liar.
I pick 2. You clearly pick 1 because you are a 380 glory boy who will do anything to make the system work. Please go away we are sick of your bullhsit.
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QF94 is obviously a longhaul captain/F/O , that is fairly clear, but you and i should not care about this fly, this is an engineers related thread and the fate of the company is not our worry, just the engineers fair go, and i believe Steve is doing a good job under the circumstances, hell if we were paid to worry about the companies future then we would be senior execs right? Errr maybe not i forgot about KPI'S......
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Mahatmacoat, do you seriously think GD is going to do that. HE is no way an option. He tried to shaft you all already and you are only there because he stuffed up. now he's aiming to come back and finish what he started. You have to wake up. GD and AJ are 2 peas from the same pod.
NOTHING ANY OF YOU DO WILL CHANGE THE OUTCOME OF WHAT IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN.
@ RTV.......Really, you want to know who he is. Why are you using an alias then? Because you don't like his opinion you want to persecute him at work.......Get over yourself tough boy.
NOTHING ANY OF YOU DO WILL CHANGE THE OUTCOME OF WHAT IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN.
@ RTV.......Really, you want to know who he is. Why are you using an alias then? Because you don't like his opinion you want to persecute him at work.......Get over yourself tough boy.
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Let's keep it on the topic guys otherwise this thread will be closed!
Ignore the trolls and concentrate on managements' next phase of destroying QANTAS Engineering!!
United we may stand, divided we will all fall!
Ignore the trolls and concentrate on managements' next phase of destroying QANTAS Engineering!!
United we may stand, divided we will all fall!
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Let's keep it on the topic guys
cheers
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Fedsec there is a rumour going around that you guys have pushed the company hard for "last on first off"
Is this true?
Is this true?
Yes it is. Prefered by members as opposed to interviews. Required by EBA. Company want it to compose 1% of your total score. ALAEA want it to be 99%. Not settled yet but it will definately make up part of the decision but not all.
Company want other things that we find highly offensive such as an OHS Rep getting as many points for holding that position as a person would get for holding a 767 licence.
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What about someone with 20 yrs service but only 1 yr experience as a lame, as opposed to someone with 18 yrs service but with 10 yrs experience as a lame? Are you going to push for straight out years of service?
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Does the company want everyone to interview for a chance to stay
They did when they closed HM Sydney: It was a load of ****e they new who they wanted. And in the end They picked who they wanted, and some of the people that did not get an offer,Some really outstanding engineers in my opinion just walked out the door, but most are doing extremely well.
Talk to them today and the say it was the best decision they made.
Last on first off: There was talk about that too on the closing of HM Sydney
Load of ****e too it wasn't the case at all, well back then anyway
They did when they closed HM Sydney: It was a load of ****e they new who they wanted. And in the end They picked who they wanted, and some of the people that did not get an offer,Some really outstanding engineers in my opinion just walked out the door, but most are doing extremely well.
Talk to them today and the say it was the best decision they made.
Last on first off: There was talk about that too on the closing of HM Sydney
Load of ****e too it wasn't the case at all, well back then anyway
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Whilst last on first off is traditional and easy to work out it does have some downside.
Firstly the younger guys get to the top of the list no matter how good at the job they are.
Then you get the relative newcomers, a good number of who will be ex Ansett guys getting it up the rear again.
Firstly the younger guys get to the top of the list no matter how good at the job they are.
Then you get the relative newcomers, a good number of who will be ex Ansett guys getting it up the rear again.
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Seniority through time served should count for something though not sure what weighting it should attract. Young guys would say none, old timers would say lots
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Firstly the younger guys get to the top of the list no matter how good at the job they are.
Steve could u tell us what part of the EBA it talks about interviews ? I cannot seem to see that , haha though I cannot find my glasses .
Does the company want everyone to interview for a chance to stay
2 Where is the company at with VR EOI from LMO?
What about someone with 20 yrs service but only 1 yr experience as a lame, as opposed to someone with 18 yrs service but with 10 yrs experience as a lame? Are you going to push for straight out years of service?
We will talk about all of the above at meetings. Keep the questions coming.
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However it is worked out it needs to be better than the farcical system used for 380 training.
Being assessed by a peer who is applying for the same position as yourself was never going to be a fair system.
Surely the people who were made redundant from heavy and have come back would be worried, as their "years of service and experience" etc is not going to reflect their previous employment.
Redundancy twice in 6 years. What a great company.
Being assessed by a peer who is applying for the same position as yourself was never going to be a fair system.
Surely the people who were made redundant from heavy and have come back would be worried, as their "years of service and experience" etc is not going to reflect their previous employment.
Redundancy twice in 6 years. What a great company.
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mahatmacoat
I'm sorry. Did I speak off script? Didn't follow the flock? Remember, no one is above or beyond question or challenge.
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Your above post is THE definition of BS!
rtv
Angle of Attack
The obvious just isn't obvious to some.
rtv, if you hadn't already picked up from many previous posts, I'm a LAME at S.I.T. Pop round next Monday morning when I'm on shift, and ask for QF94. I'll know who you're asking for, then we can meet and have that chat you so dearly want. Don't ask others to do your dirty work for you.
AoA, the only thing clear is that you are clueless as to your surrounds. Do you read posts, or just follow rants?
I'm glad I don't align myself with buffoons like yourselves above. It's the likes of you guys that bring companies down. No wonder QANTAS has a field day with us and wins every fight against us in the end.
That qf94 really is a very bad person. You are making lies about Steve he did not say he supports Dixon he just makes it clear that Dixon would be better than Joyce. If I may I can ask you qf94 what option you would be prefering. I ask this because they are the two likely scenarios facing us.
1. Alan Joyce CEO. dismantling maintenance. no new International craft on order. Hands services and routes to EK. Wants to open new Asian airlines with qf equity. Is a greedy liar.
2. Geoff Dixon. will sell Jetstar. invest in Qantas International. Will scrap EK alliance. Will cease new fantasy Asian airlines. Is a greedy liar.
I pick 2. You clearly pick 1 because you are a 380 glory boy who will do anything to make the system work. Please go away we are sick of your bullhsit.
1. Alan Joyce CEO. dismantling maintenance. no new International craft on order. Hands services and routes to EK. Wants to open new Asian airlines with qf equity. Is a greedy liar.
2. Geoff Dixon. will sell Jetstar. invest in Qantas International. Will scrap EK alliance. Will cease new fantasy Asian airlines. Is a greedy liar.
I pick 2. You clearly pick 1 because you are a 380 glory boy who will do anything to make the system work. Please go away we are sick of your bullhsit.
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Your above post is THE definition of BS!
rtv
Pm me if anyone knows who qf94 is ... We should have a chat
QF94 is obviously a longhaul captain/F/O , that is fairly clear, but you and i should not care about this fly, this is an engineers related thread and the fate of the company is not our worry, just the engineers fair go,
rtv, if you hadn't already picked up from many previous posts, I'm a LAME at S.I.T. Pop round next Monday morning when I'm on shift, and ask for QF94. I'll know who you're asking for, then we can meet and have that chat you so dearly want. Don't ask others to do your dirty work for you.
AoA, the only thing clear is that you are clueless as to your surrounds. Do you read posts, or just follow rants?
I'm glad I don't align myself with buffoons like yourselves above. It's the likes of you guys that bring companies down. No wonder QANTAS has a field day with us and wins every fight against us in the end.