Qantas Engineering redundances - Advice required!!!
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SC -
I was assuming that the company would go to as much effort creating the 'experience matrix' and the 'years of service matrix' as they did for the 'skills matrix'. I don't believe that they wouldn't devote as much time to them, afterall, they have equal wieghting in the EBA.
TCS -
You should be able to tell me. Your spying skill is lacking. (Lucky that's not on the matrix.) Just under 100 asked for a quote. Last number of confirmed VR was approx 14 but you could only confirm from Wednesday so it is still early. They have until 13th Jan. Confirmed VRs were mainly from BNE, PER and MEL with one or two from ADL and CBR.
please explain, what next two??
TCS -
How many put their hand up in other ports?
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they have equal wieghting in the EBA."
Its not as straight cut as that I'm afraid.
Its not as straight cut as that I'm afraid.
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Genuine or Non Genuine Redundancy
Is the redundancy package from Qantas a"Genuine Redundancy"
OR
"Not A Genuine Redundancy"
Taxation of termination payments
<a name="Content">Redundancy
A redundancy can be genuine or non-genuine.
A genuine redundancy payment is a payment you receive because the job you were doing is abolished. That is, your employer has made a decision that the job you are doing no longer exists and your employment is to be terminated.
A genuine redundancy has a special tax treatment under the tax law where an amount paid up to a limit is tax free. If your redundancy does not meet the definition of genuine redundancy then it will be taxed under the normal ETP rules definition.
A genuine redundancy does not occur when:
For more information about the meaning of genuine redundancy, refer to Taxation Ruling TR 2009/2 Income tax: genuine redundancy payments.
Genuine redundancy payments you receive are tax-free up to a limit based on your years of service with your employer. The tax-free limit is determined by:
For the year ended 30 June 2013, the tax-free limit is $8,806 (base amount), plus $4,404 (service amount) multiplied by the years of service.
For example, for 10 years service, the tax-free limit is:
Example 7: Genuine redundancy
OR
"Not A Genuine Redundancy"
Taxation of termination payments
<a name="Content">Redundancy
A redundancy can be genuine or non-genuine.
A genuine redundancy payment is a payment you receive because the job you were doing is abolished. That is, your employer has made a decision that the job you are doing no longer exists and your employment is to be terminated.
A genuine redundancy has a special tax treatment under the tax law where an amount paid up to a limit is tax free. If your redundancy does not meet the definition of genuine redundancy then it will be taxed under the normal ETP rules definition.
A genuine redundancy does not occur when:
- you are dismissed because you reach normal retirement age
- you left voluntarily
- your contract is terminated
- you were dismissed because of disciplinary or inefficiency reasons.
For more information about the meaning of genuine redundancy, refer to Taxation Ruling TR 2009/2 Income tax: genuine redundancy payments.
Genuine redundancy payments you receive are tax-free up to a limit based on your years of service with your employer. The tax-free limit is determined by:
For the year ended 30 June 2013, the tax-free limit is $8,806 (base amount), plus $4,404 (service amount) multiplied by the years of service.
For example, for 10 years service, the tax-free limit is:
Example 7: Genuine redundancy
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Facing Reality
I guess they can't get rid of everybody ,but the vast majority I think will go .
As soon as they bring in Part 145,The back chuckers will be doing alot of
maintenance functions,Just hope I don't get on a plane that's had a wheel
change by some guy who's been on the piss all night.
As soon as they bring in Part 145,The back chuckers will be doing alot of
maintenance functions,Just hope I don't get on a plane that's had a wheel
change by some guy who's been on the piss all night.
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Stuntcock, I'm pretty sure if you volunteer Qf will do the "right thing by you" (talk about an oxymoron) and they right redundant on your certificate. Thus making all genuine! Correct me if I'm wrong fed sec.
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Stuntcock - As far as the ATO is concerned it is a genuine redundancy. Your position is no longer available because Qantas has reduced the number of a/c requiring maintenance and replaced them with a/c that don't require maintenance. i.e. there is no longer a job for you.
The fact that Qantas are misleading the market, the public and QF staff is of no concern to the ATO.
Anyone who actually works on these "non maintenance requiring a/c" will vouch for how much maintenance is actually required. Sure, these a/c might go longer between heavy checks, but the amount of work required to keep them running between checks hasn't changed. The fact that the number of B737s has increased means that Tulla should have never closed. All other heavy checks have been moved overseas (RIP AVV).Word has it that CASA is not happy with the Brissy heavy staffing, hence QE desperate to get people up there.
On top of that you have managers marking out their own patches in SYD ensuring that "their" personnel aren't being used by other managers in other areas would attest to the fact that the "20% excess engineers" is also false. (Management is apparently still unable to provide any data re SYD base staffing and terminal data is out of date).
The only thing that anybody who gets 'tapped' has going for them is a letter from Qantas to the ATO saying that the redundancy is genuine.
The fact that Qantas are misleading the market, the public and QF staff is of no concern to the ATO.
Anyone who actually works on these "non maintenance requiring a/c" will vouch for how much maintenance is actually required. Sure, these a/c might go longer between heavy checks, but the amount of work required to keep them running between checks hasn't changed. The fact that the number of B737s has increased means that Tulla should have never closed. All other heavy checks have been moved overseas (RIP AVV).Word has it that CASA is not happy with the Brissy heavy staffing, hence QE desperate to get people up there.
On top of that you have managers marking out their own patches in SYD ensuring that "their" personnel aren't being used by other managers in other areas would attest to the fact that the "20% excess engineers" is also false. (Management is apparently still unable to provide any data re SYD base staffing and terminal data is out of date).
The only thing that anybody who gets 'tapped' has going for them is a letter from Qantas to the ATO saying that the redundancy is genuine.
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Jethro
- 20-30 engineers are "on secondment" in BNE heavy now. (Told by one the other day that they have been asked to extend).
- Initial EOI period for engineers in SYD was about getting people to BNE, hence the rush and lack of planning for redundancies announced in SYD.
- Speak to your friendly CASA surveyor (not that many exist anymore) ask about BNE heavy staffing.
- Positions can not be filled externally while tapping people internally, EBA doesn't like it. Something about taking ALL steps to mitigate.
I am not surprised by your statement though, the disconnect between HR and QE management is growing by the day.
- 20-30 engineers are "on secondment" in BNE heavy now. (Told by one the other day that they have been asked to extend).
- Initial EOI period for engineers in SYD was about getting people to BNE, hence the rush and lack of planning for redundancies announced in SYD.
- Speak to your friendly CASA surveyor (not that many exist anymore) ask about BNE heavy staffing.
- Positions can not be filled externally while tapping people internally, EBA doesn't like it. Something about taking ALL steps to mitigate.
I am not surprised by your statement though, the disconnect between HR and QE management is growing by the day.
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I am not surprised by your statement though, the disconnect between HR and QE
management is growing by the day.
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20-30 engineers are "on secondment" in BNE heavy now. (Told by one the other
day that they have been asked to extend).
day that they have been asked to extend).
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Qantas Engineering redundances - Advice required!!!
There was 20-30 engineers on secondment. About 4 licensed. All gone back now. 3-4 of the licensed guys to come back in the new year. No need for AME's as the shut down of 1 of the heavy lines in Hangar 3 will give Hangar 1 as many as they want.
This of course will not solve the problem in H1. Lack of experience by non type and type rated engineers is the issue.
This of course will not solve the problem in H1. Lack of experience by non type and type rated engineers is the issue.
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Something is not right
Base send out text for o/t to people that are on shift that day .... It's like one hand has no idea what the other is doing .. Crews with no licence coverage needing the supervisor to certify..
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It's not a Supervisors job to certify. Why would
they do it?
they do it?
To suck up to management that's why there is always someone who will sign anything in the hope of screwing others over
Can anyone confirm that A380s are being overnighted in Singapore to allow maintenance to be carried out,further reducing Sydney's workload and allowing CN to prove his theory that we need less engineers.
Another tidbit doing the rounds is that they have started to build a hangar in LAX capable of holding 2 380s with abilities to perform C checks.
If that is true what a nice company we work for. For the last 4 years saying we can't afford to build a hangar for less that 14 or 20 aircraft, but now they are building one in an outstation.
Another tidbit doing the rounds is that they have started to build a hangar in LAX capable of holding 2 380s with abilities to perform C checks.
If that is true what a nice company we work for. For the last 4 years saying we can't afford to build a hangar for less that 14 or 20 aircraft, but now they are building one in an outstation.