Qantas Engineering redundances - Advice required!!!
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It's disappointing to see some still doing OT. Even an AME union rep in
yesterday
Why are these people helping this mob they want to get rid of you why help them out
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I heard today that there was a list floating around showing how much overtime individuals were working of late. Please guys don't get caught distributing such material or scab lists, whatever you like to call them. The company would bury you.
Next meeting is at end of month. Gavin Harris on leave until 28th so there will be no further info before then. ALAEA has written to company IR managers seeking answers to countless questions that they have not responded to from earlier meetings. They wrote back yesterday brushing the questions aside again.
What has become abundantly apparent is that they do not know what they are doing.
Next meeting is at end of month. Gavin Harris on leave until 28th so there will be no further info before then. ALAEA has written to company IR managers seeking answers to countless questions that they have not responded to from earlier meetings. They wrote back yesterday brushing the questions aside again.
What has become abundantly apparent is that they do not know what they are doing.
Good to see the O/T haters back.
Steve I was told recently that work that is being deferred due to an inability to manpower is now being scheduled in LAX and LHR. So much so that these jobs aren't even being put into work packages for any Sydney aircraft, it seems counter-productive.
Things like lubes, filter changes etc.. Not brain goof but our bread and butter work.
We won't work extra hours, the company defers and transfers more work, next check there are less jobs in the packages which once again plays into their we need less staff mantra.
You only need to look at the AAMP to see this, surely you have people showing this to you.
Also what is the AMEs unions stance on this, or is it every union for themselves?
Steve I was told recently that work that is being deferred due to an inability to manpower is now being scheduled in LAX and LHR. So much so that these jobs aren't even being put into work packages for any Sydney aircraft, it seems counter-productive.
Things like lubes, filter changes etc.. Not brain goof but our bread and butter work.
We won't work extra hours, the company defers and transfers more work, next check there are less jobs in the packages which once again plays into their we need less staff mantra.
You only need to look at the AAMP to see this, surely you have people showing this to you.
Also what is the AMEs unions stance on this, or is it every union for themselves?
I know it is nothing new, but when we are losing more work to them on a long term basis to our detriment that is new. We are digging the hole they want us to dig.
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So Bootstrap, how much 330, 767, 737 and to a lesser extent 744 work are we "giving" to London and los angeles?
Keep it in perspective. If you want to work overtime like there's no tomorrow then do it. But don't look to others for a green light or an excuse.
Keep it in perspective. If you want to work overtime like there's no tomorrow then do it. But don't look to others for a green light or an excuse.
I don't want to work overtime like its going out of fashion,but the lack of overtime being worked is only affecting Sydney and no where else.
Go ahead and have your unofficial bans or whatever you like to call them, as that will just quicken the pace of change.
No doubt the bans do have an effect as well, but probably not the effect everyone wants.
If you look on MXi at the work packages for LAX and LHR you will see they aren't just transit checks with MEL work. LAX packages just keep getting bigger while Sydney packages get smaller.
Sydney can't do it due to manpower,thats OK Air Chandra will kindly take the excess,and while he's there he takes cabin focus, part A checks, now he is looking at engine A checks.
It is the same for the 744 fleet but it is not so visible due to it all being hidden cameo.
SAM doesn't really do 738s so they aren't the issue. If Sydney doesn't do them, then Mel,Per,Adl or Bne will pick it up on O/T. Thats fine it keeps it inhouse.
And the same with 767s to a degree.
Look at the extra work being done on 330s during work away from Sydney, it is in MXI for all to see.
Go ahead and have your unofficial bans or whatever you like to call them, as that will just quicken the pace of change.
No doubt the bans do have an effect as well, but probably not the effect everyone wants.
If you look on MXi at the work packages for LAX and LHR you will see they aren't just transit checks with MEL work. LAX packages just keep getting bigger while Sydney packages get smaller.
Sydney can't do it due to manpower,thats OK Air Chandra will kindly take the excess,and while he's there he takes cabin focus, part A checks, now he is looking at engine A checks.
It is the same for the 744 fleet but it is not so visible due to it all being hidden cameo.
SAM doesn't really do 738s so they aren't the issue. If Sydney doesn't do them, then Mel,Per,Adl or Bne will pick it up on O/T. Thats fine it keeps it inhouse.
And the same with 767s to a degree.
Look at the extra work being done on 330s during work away from Sydney, it is in MXI for all to see.
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They're not holding back on O/T at BDT, the same glutinous parasites line up with there double n/s o/t nights 
while pulling sickies on the single dollar roster nights. They couldn't care less for anyone looking at a CR. No o/t for the BIT boys though oh no 
They haven't stopped with the vaso on the BIT brothers either, with 20 hard-liners left defending the right not to be forced on to an extended hour roster but they are wearing them down. There are even turning on there own blood. I am pretty sure most have their hands up for VR, even the ring leader wants out, so anyone heading north should make inquires but be prepared for a spectacular team of clowns running the circus
while pulling sickies on the single dollar roster nights. They couldn't care less for anyone looking at a CR. No o/t for the BIT boys though oh no They haven't stopped with the vaso on the BIT brothers either, with 20 hard-liners left defending the right not to be forced on to an extended hour roster but they are wearing them down. There are even turning on there own blood. I am pretty sure most have their hands up for VR, even the ring leader wants out, so anyone heading north should make inquires but be prepared for a spectacular team of clowns running the circus
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Bootstrap, the groundwork for more work to be carried out by Uncle Chandras troops was laid over 18 months ago. This would have happened regardless, and infact the work is not going there because the overtime rate is low in sydney, do you honestly think that 10 LAMEs on overtime in Sydney is cheaper than a bunch of part timers in LA on $9.00 an hour?
The work going out of Sydney is why they want to retrench Sydney enginers.
But speak to some of the guys who have been up to LA, about the actual ground time of the A/C and the capability there, the story spun on paper is compelling however in reality it's a lemon.
The work going out of Sydney is why they want to retrench Sydney enginers.
But speak to some of the guys who have been up to LA, about the actual ground time of the A/C and the capability there, the story spun on paper is compelling however in reality it's a lemon.
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Bootstrap - There is nothing new about the work being scheduled for LAX and LHR increasing. Plans were laid for that long ago. It has nothing to do with anything happening at the moment. The only way to change QE's course is to change the management!
LAX and LHR aren't (largely) responsible for giving Q it's best on-time performance, and lowest level of hold items in years. It's the Aussie bases that are responsible. What thanks did the company give us for that? Cull 25% of engineering staff in Syd (one week after cutting 10% out of SYD).
It's nice to know though, while the company is indiscriminately cutting your workmates jobs, you are willing to assist Qantas by helping to cover up a broken system. Not everyone thinks like you though. You might have been willing to let OQJ fly with 5 ATPs, others put safety before doing their 'master's' pleadings and didn't let the thing fly.
O/T is not happening open slather in other bases, as you claim, either. More and more engineers around Aussie can see that O/T costs jobs and training. But you just keep thinking about yourself!
LAX and LHR aren't (largely) responsible for giving Q it's best on-time performance, and lowest level of hold items in years. It's the Aussie bases that are responsible. What thanks did the company give us for that? Cull 25% of engineering staff in Syd (one week after cutting 10% out of SYD).
It's nice to know though, while the company is indiscriminately cutting your workmates jobs, you are willing to assist Qantas by helping to cover up a broken system. Not everyone thinks like you though. You might have been willing to let OQJ fly with 5 ATPs, others put safety before doing their 'master's' pleadings and didn't let the thing fly.
O/T is not happening open slather in other bases, as you claim, either. More and more engineers around Aussie can see that O/T costs jobs and training. But you just keep thinking about yourself!
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Gentleman stop the meaningless chitter chatter I've had it. The company has learn't from the past battles. O/t bans will achieve little unless all ports involved. If CN was to leave tomorrow these CR packages would still roll through.. Wake up smell the roses.....
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gee bootstrap your only 28 and just really starting out in aviation,what future do you think you'll have in the game when your out there,undermining yourself by supporting management who are screwing your profession over.Maybe all that OT your doing would be better spent going to TAFE or UNI and getting some training in another field.
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Please gentleman stop this chitter chatter.
Regardless of what you think the overtime bans may achieve, all we are doing is shooting oursleves in the foot by demonstrating that the work can be done with lower numbers or by other ports or overseas.
Other stations are not supporting Sydney!!! We are the guys who are losing the numbers and the work. If CN retired tomorrow, these CR's would progress as planned.
Regardless of what you think the overtime bans may achieve, all we are doing is shooting oursleves in the foot by demonstrating that the work can be done with lower numbers or by other ports or overseas.
Other stations are not supporting Sydney!!! We are the guys who are losing the numbers and the work. If CN retired tomorrow, these CR's would progress as planned.
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Your correct, Wrench. If CN was hit by the proverbial today, this round of CRs in SYD would continue. What might change though is the next planned round in SYD and the planned rounds in other ports.
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Discussion about saving 500 jobs is not chitter chatter. Working lots of overtime will not prevent them culling more numbers. They don't understand logical arguments like that. All they understand is things that affect them like a phone call that says
Why aren't those f'en planes getting out on time?
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Fed Sec are questions being asked about OQJ? They has to re-sched an A check, then ferry one 380 to Melbourne and OQJ to Sydney so that 5 or 6 ATPs that were going to drop dead could be worked.
Or about 2 weeks ago OQC and OQD did the Mel-Syd ferry swap so that OQD could have a new APU installed. I hope these are some of the questions CN has to answer.
I am sure there are others as well.
Or about 2 weeks ago OQC and OQD did the Mel-Syd ferry swap so that OQD could have a new APU installed. I hope these are some of the questions CN has to answer.
I am sure there are others as well.