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Joyce is not smart enough to have orchestrated this whole debacle on his own. Of course it was the board behind the decision to ground the fleet. Once again the non-Australian is the person to front the media. OW was nowhere to be seen during the grounding. Put the Irishman on the frontline. Qantas workers did lose the battle. Just win the war, plenty of support out there for you.
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Where did I put that thermometer?
Breaking news .......
It has been revealed that every single nurse in Victoria is male.
It has been revealed that every single nurse in Victoria is male.
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Ain't that the truth!! Instead, we're just waiting for the good ship Qantas to run into an iceberg any day now....
I can picture it now, the ship has sunk, Cliffy clings to a piece of FOD, but there is only room for one person on the FOD, and sadly as Cliffy clings to life he holds the hand of AJ (who remarkably looks like a little penguin lost and abandoned) in the icy water, and grips on for dear life. But alas the rescue comes to late for AJ who is gone forever. But the wiley Cliffy gets rescued by Darth and Co who ensure he lives to tell the tale about the day that Qantas sank to the bottom of aviation's deepest waters.
Now, que the music - The Qantas choir sing 'My Heart Will Go On', all dressed in pure white while wearing red ties.
Tissue please, this is emotional stuff, really tugs at your heart strings.
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Its a game of chess, with the winner predicting the others move in advance and then working out their counter move. He could most likely see what everyones actions where going to be well in advance, especially the unions response to the board meeting.
Hence put the chess pieces in place, and whalla you get a couple of triggers post board meeting and you press the button on the machinery that you have waiting to go. He set the trap, and then sprung it when he thought the prey was in it.
Hence put the chess pieces in place, and whalla you get a couple of triggers post board meeting and you press the button on the machinery that you have waiting to go. He set the trap, and then sprung it when he thought the prey was in it.
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Use the mining tax to buy back QANTAS, put it back where it belongs, sack the board they have proved their incompetence, keep the skill base in Australia.
Also use the mining tax to buy back all the utilities that have been sold off, these assets belong to the people not some private companies that have us over a barrel and keep bumping up the prices as they have a monopoly on said utility.
This is investing in the future of Australia, control of our assets.
Also use the mining tax to buy back all the utilities that have been sold off, these assets belong to the people not some private companies that have us over a barrel and keep bumping up the prices as they have a monopoly on said utility.
This is investing in the future of Australia, control of our assets.
If the QF AOC holder is found unfit to hold an AOC and CASA decide that he should go or lose the AOC, guess what will happen?
I'll give you a clue, AJ, LS & the board will stay. The QF group have a few other airlines to run, QANTAS mainline will be dumped if the need arises.
I'll give you a clue, AJ, LS & the board will stay. The QF group have a few other airlines to run, QANTAS mainline will be dumped if the need arises.
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or loose the AOC
There are spelling police patrolling this very thread. Mind your keyboard boys!!
Lose vs Loose
A lot of people are mixing up lose and loose. In particular, a lot of people are writing loose when they really mean lose. Here are the definitions of the two words from my Penguin dictionary:
loose [lOOs] adj not fastened or pre-packed; not tied up or confined; able to move freely; not tight, not firmly fixed; not close-fitting; careless, inaccurate, vague; dissolute, immoral; not closely woven; flabby; (of bowels) inclined to diarrhoea; l. box stable or van in which an animal can move about; at a l. end uncertain what to do next; unoccupied ~ loose adv in a loose way; play fast and l. behave rashly or unscupulously ~ loose n release; on the l. free from restraint; on a spree; ~ loose v/t untie, undo; release from confinement or constraint, set free; detatch; fire (gun); shoot (arrow); (eccles) absolve.
lose (p/t and p/part lost) [lOOz] v/t and i no longer have; be deprived of by accident or misfortune; mislay, fail to find; fail to get or win; be too late for; be bereaved of; waste; be defeated or beaten; suffer loss, become worse off; fail to hear, see or understand; cause or allow to perish; (of clock or watch) go too slowly; (refl) miss the right path; become absorbed in; l. one's head become flustered, panic; l. one's temper grow angry; l. one's way fail to find the right path; l. out (US) be defeated after a struggle.
Examples:
This knot is too loose.
Please do not lose my book.
I had better not lose that file.
One way to remember the difference between the two words is to think that "lose has lost an 'o'".
Managers Perspective said:
I was just imagining how it would have turned out if the boot was on the other foot ... that is, if all the Staff had walked out on the Saturday afternoon and shut down the airline.
Could you imagine the furor from the nation ... and people such as "Managers Perspective"
Oh for goodness sake, you were out smarted, stoop sooking and get over it.
While people sat here and told of how much harm they were and could continue to inflict, behind the scenes the little fella was forming his war plan.
Just face it, you loose.
While people sat here and told of how much harm they were and could continue to inflict, behind the scenes the little fella was forming his war plan.
Just face it, you loose.
Could you imagine the furor from the nation ... and people such as "Managers Perspective"
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Again, it wouldn't surprise me if they had booked hotel rooms for the preceding week
The JetSet Travel group of which Qantas Holidays is part of would book many room nights everyday but that is NOT Qantas, so again, what hotel rooms does QF need to book.
Surely the 3 unions involved in the current dispute can get their feelers out as 'someone' in the company must know the truth.
dragon man said,
heard a story yesterday of someone who works in flight ops who was going to Melbourne the weekend of the grounding. This was on the Tuesday. His manager said dont go but wouldnt elaborate. Later he saw a very very senior pilot and asked his opinion. The answer was the same , dont go, but wouldnt elaborate. You add in the CC manager sent to Lax on the Friday with United and the courier drivers i think its fair to say it was pre planned.
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Obviously the PR machine of QANTAS can't get anything right. Their latest gaff being a t witter competiton.
"Qantas had been seeking tweeters’ "dream inflight experiences" for a chance to win a pair of first class pyjamas and an amenities kit."
Qantas in first class Twitter fail | Courier Mail
Here are some of the tweets.
"#QantasLuxury is that safe feeling that comes from knowing your pilots are wearing the correct coloured ties"
"@QantasAirways Safe planes, pity you've crashed the brand into the ground from 30,000 ft. #qantasluxury"
"#QantasLuxury is a 3 engined Boeing 747. The 4th engine is exclusive to Gold Members."
"Quick note to corporate Australia: when you're in the middle of crushing your workforce, don't start a twitter promotion. #QantasLuxury"
"#QantasLuxury is knowing a $30 prize pack probably won't buy off the Australian public"
Glad to see that the idiots running the PR and marketing have nothing better to do than to give away a pair of 1st Class pyjamas and an amenities kit and cop a lambasting for it. I had to laugh at first, then I was just left shaking my head at the stupidity.
Which Richard Cranium comes up with this manure?
I don't know why, but t witter becomes PPrune. Just as funny though being a PPrune competition!
"Qantas had been seeking tweeters’ "dream inflight experiences" for a chance to win a pair of first class pyjamas and an amenities kit."
Qantas in first class Twitter fail | Courier Mail
Here are some of the tweets.
"#QantasLuxury is that safe feeling that comes from knowing your pilots are wearing the correct coloured ties"
"@QantasAirways Safe planes, pity you've crashed the brand into the ground from 30,000 ft. #qantasluxury"
"#QantasLuxury is a 3 engined Boeing 747. The 4th engine is exclusive to Gold Members."
"Quick note to corporate Australia: when you're in the middle of crushing your workforce, don't start a twitter promotion. #QantasLuxury"
"#QantasLuxury is knowing a $30 prize pack probably won't buy off the Australian public"
Glad to see that the idiots running the PR and marketing have nothing better to do than to give away a pair of 1st Class pyjamas and an amenities kit and cop a lambasting for it. I had to laugh at first, then I was just left shaking my head at the stupidity.
Which Richard Cranium comes up with this manure?
I don't know why, but t witter becomes PPrune. Just as funny though being a PPrune competition!
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AlanJoyceCEO Fake Alan Joyce
#QantasLuxury is watching a social media disaster unfold. Helps a CEO get through the day.
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And here's me thinking Leigh and Oliva got you through the day!
AlanJoyceCEO Fake Alan Joyce
#QantasLuxury is watching a social media disaster unfold. Helps a CEO get through the day.
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And here's me thinking Leigh and Oliva got you through the day!
AIPA calls for Judicial Inquiry into Joyce
This could get exciting. There maybe a few Chairman lounge favours called in over this one to prevent it going to trial.
Qantas pilots call for inquiry over lockout
Kelly Burke
November 22, 2011 - 11:58AM
Long-haul pilots have called for a judicial inquiry, following a report that private couriers were booked to deliver lockout notices before the Qantas annual meeting last month.
Qantas's chief executive Alan Joyce has told a Senate inquiry under oath that the decision to ground all aircraft in preparation for a total staff lockout on November 1 was made on the morning of October 29, the day after shareholders met the company and approved a large pay package increase for Mr Joyce.
No mention of the fleet's imminent grounding nor a staff lockout was made at the shareholders' meeting.
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But two couriers supplied written statements to the ABC's Lateline program last night saying that, in the days leading up to the Qantas grounding, drivers were booked to deliver lockout notices.
The two, who work for Direct Couriers, have remained anonymous.
They said that, on October 27, the day before the annual meeting, they were asked to work on Sunday, October 30, to help with a mass delivery of lockout notices to about 6000 Qantas staff members.
The statements are the latest in mounting evidence that Mr Joyce was planning to lock out staff long before October 29, but kept the plans secret from Qantas shareholders.
Evidence has also emerged that senior Qantas managers were flown to Singapore and Los Angeles on the Friday in preparation for the grounding the following day.
The Australian and International Pilots Association has today called for a judicial inquiry into the circumstances of the Qantas grounding last month.
They have argued that the fresh allegations against Mr Joyce are consistent with advice received by the union that about 3000 hotel rooms were booked in Los Angeles before the annual meeting.
The union's vice-president, Richard Woodward, said there were now grave questions over Mr Joyce's credibility.
“If these allegations ... are correct, it would appear Mr Joyce has lied to the Australian people and it would appear he has lied under oath to a Senate inquiry," he said.
“A judicial inquiry with the powers of a royal commission is now needed to get to the bottom of this and uncover the truth. The commission must look at whether shareholders were misled at the AGM and identify whether the public and the Qantas workforce were lied to."
AAP reports: Mr Joyce has dismissed the claims as "conspiracy theories", saying the decision was made at the airline's board meeting on Saturday, October 29.
Qantas then told the federal government of the decision that day at 2pm.
"We had plans going back weeks as contingencies for a lockout and a grounding ... but the decision was made on the Saturday," Mr Joyce told the Seven Network today.
"There is going to be conspiracy theories. The fact is the decision was made on the Saturday."
Read more: Qantas pilots call for inquiry over lockout
Kelly Burke
November 22, 2011 - 11:58AM
Long-haul pilots have called for a judicial inquiry, following a report that private couriers were booked to deliver lockout notices before the Qantas annual meeting last month.
Qantas's chief executive Alan Joyce has told a Senate inquiry under oath that the decision to ground all aircraft in preparation for a total staff lockout on November 1 was made on the morning of October 29, the day after shareholders met the company and approved a large pay package increase for Mr Joyce.
No mention of the fleet's imminent grounding nor a staff lockout was made at the shareholders' meeting.
Advertisement: Story continues below
But two couriers supplied written statements to the ABC's Lateline program last night saying that, in the days leading up to the Qantas grounding, drivers were booked to deliver lockout notices.
The two, who work for Direct Couriers, have remained anonymous.
They said that, on October 27, the day before the annual meeting, they were asked to work on Sunday, October 30, to help with a mass delivery of lockout notices to about 6000 Qantas staff members.
The statements are the latest in mounting evidence that Mr Joyce was planning to lock out staff long before October 29, but kept the plans secret from Qantas shareholders.
Evidence has also emerged that senior Qantas managers were flown to Singapore and Los Angeles on the Friday in preparation for the grounding the following day.
The Australian and International Pilots Association has today called for a judicial inquiry into the circumstances of the Qantas grounding last month.
They have argued that the fresh allegations against Mr Joyce are consistent with advice received by the union that about 3000 hotel rooms were booked in Los Angeles before the annual meeting.
The union's vice-president, Richard Woodward, said there were now grave questions over Mr Joyce's credibility.
“If these allegations ... are correct, it would appear Mr Joyce has lied to the Australian people and it would appear he has lied under oath to a Senate inquiry," he said.
“A judicial inquiry with the powers of a royal commission is now needed to get to the bottom of this and uncover the truth. The commission must look at whether shareholders were misled at the AGM and identify whether the public and the Qantas workforce were lied to."
AAP reports: Mr Joyce has dismissed the claims as "conspiracy theories", saying the decision was made at the airline's board meeting on Saturday, October 29.
Qantas then told the federal government of the decision that day at 2pm.
"We had plans going back weeks as contingencies for a lockout and a grounding ... but the decision was made on the Saturday," Mr Joyce told the Seven Network today.
"There is going to be conspiracy theories. The fact is the decision was made on the Saturday."
Read more: Qantas pilots call for inquiry over lockout
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Keg,
A coolminded and intelligent post. Almost every other post here is a wild-eyed and hysterical rant.
The courier booking is evidence of pre-planning - not of an early decision.
I'm surprised the ABC has fallen for this.
A coolminded and intelligent post. Almost every other post here is a wild-eyed and hysterical rant.
The courier booking is evidence of pre-planning - not of an early decision.
I'm surprised the ABC has fallen for this.
Nunc est bibendum
Actually, I suspect that the decision actually had been made. It's just that he's got plausible deniability and once again we're looking for a 'smoking gun' that had it existed at the time, has probably been destroyed by now.
So were these couriers still getting paid if Allan had not "decided" on Sat-to-di morning to wreck the airline?
Pre planned, pre booked, Whatever. Walking, talking more and more like a duck!
Pre planned, pre booked, Whatever. Walking, talking more and more like a duck!
Maybe. After watching those Senate Estimate hearings noone asks penetrating questions and none of them have enough knowledge of the subject to nail people. The senators need more expert help at the table to put people under constant pressure. Mind you if it really got to court that would be a different story as there will be council assisting who apply the blow torch if the defendant makes a wrong step.
In reality it would take someone in QF to grow a conscience and/or a spine to come out and testify for any serious blows to be laid on Joyce. I think this will probably just roll on and nothing further will be had of it unless we get a witness or someone stuffs up, and something gets into the media that shouldn't.
In reality it would take someone in QF to grow a conscience and/or a spine to come out and testify for any serious blows to be laid on Joyce. I think this will probably just roll on and nothing further will be had of it unless we get a witness or someone stuffs up, and something gets into the media that shouldn't.
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Originally Posted by Cactusjack
Great, another fantasy killed off! Thanks for that SpannerTwister.
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