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The AGM was over, the sun was shining & Saturday 29th October 2011 was shaping up to be a beautiful day.
Meanwhile AJ had awoken from his slumber & decided today was the day to ground a National Airline.
A board meeting was hastily called for early Saturday morning & by the end of the meeting at 10:30am. AJ had the full endorsement of the board to lockout staff & due to safety reasons ground the airline.
What was the first thing AJ did per Senate Inquiry Transcripts?
He authorised a printing company in the Sydney suburb of Stathfield South to immediately commence production of the staff lockout notices!
It wouldn’t be a problem because ******** & his work buddies had already been rostered to work that day. They don’t regularly work Saturdays, but today was special. Some ad hoc work at been scheduled & some big dollars had been negotiated. They were standing by for that call with A4 paper & commercial printers ink ready to go.
As per senate inquiry evidence the printers had been informed to get to work by 11:30am. It wouldn’t be a problem though, cause they were expecting that call sometime mid morning.
The Lockout notices had already been prepared and checked over by the Airlines Legal Department. All the preparation including risk assessments had also been completed over the previous three weeks.
What did AJ do next?
According to Senate Inquiry transcripts he then commenced calling his Executive Team.
There was a big problem, Boston Bruce was meeting with his Architects!
According to AJ’s Senate evidence as follows:
AJ: “I could not even contact Bruce at the start! Bruce was actually with his Architects planning the building of a house. We had to track him down at 12 O’clock to see what was taking place. THEN we started the CALLS and MAKING the decisions.”
Lucky AJ had the foresight to call the Printers early in the piece.
The Executive Team & Boston Bruce would just have to wait till the printers had got the green light.
The Lockout Letters were prepared, just waiting for that next call. The instructions were stay on standby, either the letters would be passed on to previously booked Couriers . Or, if the Media Conference was cancelled due the Government intervening a change of plan was in order. Those same Printers would be ordered to destroy those letters by 5pm.
No problem though, they were going to be paid for their services either way.
If the Government intervenes, those letters must be destroyed1
No evidence of an impending staff lockout must exist. No problem though, cause the guys in South Strathfield already know the job might be to print then immediately destroy the material.
Lunchtime passes & some 3 ½ hours after deciding to lockout the staff & ground an airline someone declares, “****…. who’s called Julia?”
It’s low on the priorities though, because the printing issue at South Strathfield has already been attended to & the team are preparing for the 5pm Media Conference.
OW attempts to call the Prime Minister at 2pm, but can only get hold of the PM’s Chief of Staff.
Seems the PM is a tad busy entertaining visiting Heads of State at CHOGM in Perth.
While OW is trying to get hold of the PM, the CEO decides to make a few extra calls. Again per Senate Inquiry Transcripts indicating call times of 2pm. AJ contacts Anthony Albenese, Tourism Minister Martin Ferguson & Workplace Minister Chris Evans.
AJ takes a short break, its been a busy morning!
Perhaps calling the PM & Government Ministers was an oversight, at least he authorised the call to the Printers by 11:30am.
“What, we forgot to call CASA? ………****”
CASA is notified of the decision to lockout the employees & ground the airline at 3pm. Some 3 ½ hours after calling the Printers, alternatively 4 ½ hours after deciding to ground the airline!
“Team, Have we forgotten anyone?” The time is now 4:45pm & 15 minutes prior to the Media Conference.
“Oh, the Pilots?.……****”
“Sue B, get on the phone & calls the AIPA President, tell him we’re locking out the pilots who’ve been wearing red ties”.
It’s approaching 5pm, ready for the Media Conference, it’s all systems go. Camera’s are rolling.
Again, per AJ’s Senate Inquiry evidence, at 5pm the boys in Strathfield are called again. Tell them not to destroy the lockout letters & they are good to go with the couriers, we’re going to air on Sky News right now.
MC
Meanwhile AJ had awoken from his slumber & decided today was the day to ground a National Airline.
A board meeting was hastily called for early Saturday morning & by the end of the meeting at 10:30am. AJ had the full endorsement of the board to lockout staff & due to safety reasons ground the airline.
What was the first thing AJ did per Senate Inquiry Transcripts?
He authorised a printing company in the Sydney suburb of Stathfield South to immediately commence production of the staff lockout notices!
It wouldn’t be a problem because ******** & his work buddies had already been rostered to work that day. They don’t regularly work Saturdays, but today was special. Some ad hoc work at been scheduled & some big dollars had been negotiated. They were standing by for that call with A4 paper & commercial printers ink ready to go.
As per senate inquiry evidence the printers had been informed to get to work by 11:30am. It wouldn’t be a problem though, cause they were expecting that call sometime mid morning.
The Lockout notices had already been prepared and checked over by the Airlines Legal Department. All the preparation including risk assessments had also been completed over the previous three weeks.
What did AJ do next?
According to Senate Inquiry transcripts he then commenced calling his Executive Team.
There was a big problem, Boston Bruce was meeting with his Architects!
According to AJ’s Senate evidence as follows:
AJ: “I could not even contact Bruce at the start! Bruce was actually with his Architects planning the building of a house. We had to track him down at 12 O’clock to see what was taking place. THEN we started the CALLS and MAKING the decisions.”
Lucky AJ had the foresight to call the Printers early in the piece.
The Executive Team & Boston Bruce would just have to wait till the printers had got the green light.
The Lockout Letters were prepared, just waiting for that next call. The instructions were stay on standby, either the letters would be passed on to previously booked Couriers . Or, if the Media Conference was cancelled due the Government intervening a change of plan was in order. Those same Printers would be ordered to destroy those letters by 5pm.
No problem though, they were going to be paid for their services either way.
If the Government intervenes, those letters must be destroyed1
No evidence of an impending staff lockout must exist. No problem though, cause the guys in South Strathfield already know the job might be to print then immediately destroy the material.
Lunchtime passes & some 3 ½ hours after deciding to lockout the staff & ground an airline someone declares, “****…. who’s called Julia?”
It’s low on the priorities though, because the printing issue at South Strathfield has already been attended to & the team are preparing for the 5pm Media Conference.
OW attempts to call the Prime Minister at 2pm, but can only get hold of the PM’s Chief of Staff.
Seems the PM is a tad busy entertaining visiting Heads of State at CHOGM in Perth.
While OW is trying to get hold of the PM, the CEO decides to make a few extra calls. Again per Senate Inquiry Transcripts indicating call times of 2pm. AJ contacts Anthony Albenese, Tourism Minister Martin Ferguson & Workplace Minister Chris Evans.
AJ takes a short break, its been a busy morning!
Perhaps calling the PM & Government Ministers was an oversight, at least he authorised the call to the Printers by 11:30am.
“What, we forgot to call CASA? ………****”
CASA is notified of the decision to lockout the employees & ground the airline at 3pm. Some 3 ½ hours after calling the Printers, alternatively 4 ½ hours after deciding to ground the airline!
“Team, Have we forgotten anyone?” The time is now 4:45pm & 15 minutes prior to the Media Conference.
“Oh, the Pilots?.……****”
“Sue B, get on the phone & calls the AIPA President, tell him we’re locking out the pilots who’ve been wearing red ties”.
It’s approaching 5pm, ready for the Media Conference, it’s all systems go. Camera’s are rolling.
Again, per AJ’s Senate Inquiry evidence, at 5pm the boys in Strathfield are called again. Tell them not to destroy the lockout letters & they are good to go with the couriers, we’re going to air on Sky News right now.
MC
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Companies must learn from Qantas Twitter gaffe and TripAdvisor blackmails - Telegraph
**bolding my emphasis**
Dear Ms Barnett,
You mentioned the QF Twitter Promotion being "bombarded" with comments. Perhaps you should check the facts before publishing your own articles. Otherwise you "may" be bombarded with emails correcting your comments.
MC
ps: Not sure why, but the term Twittter has been automatically changed to read PPRUNE
The promotions team at Qantas, the Australian airline still trying to recover three weeks on from a mass strike which grounded its entire fleet, decided to ‘engage positively’ with customers on Twitter.
Dear Ms Barnett,
You mentioned the QF Twitter Promotion being "bombarded" with comments. Perhaps you should check the facts before publishing your own articles. Otherwise you "may" be bombarded with emails correcting your comments.
MC
ps: Not sure why, but the term Twittter has been automatically changed to read PPRUNE
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No-one knows why but pprune is like communist China and thinks Spacebook and Big Hitter are threats to its existence. Sort of like Skynet becoming self aware or Hal locking out that spaceman.
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Paul Keating views on grounding
FORMER prime minister Paul Keating has attacked the Gillard government's handling of the Qantas dispute, saying it should have called Alan Joyce's bluff by refusing to intervene.
He said rather than refer the dispute to Fair Work Australia, he would have let Mr Joyce, Qantas's chief executive, sit there for a week or two.
“The chances are there would have been no more Alan Joyce - a very good chance,” Mr Keating told Sky News last night.
“Having taken his airline out, how was he going to get it back?
“I think the shareholders would have moved and then the board would have had to do something. The unions on the other hand would have had to do something and we would have had a bargained outcome.
“Instead of that we had the commonwealth deciding it, which saved Joyce and let the unions off the hook.”
This is an interesting view and perhaps reflects an opportunity lost.
Imagine a CEO sitting there trying to explain how much money he was losing on such a grand scale.
He said rather than refer the dispute to Fair Work Australia, he would have let Mr Joyce, Qantas's chief executive, sit there for a week or two.
“The chances are there would have been no more Alan Joyce - a very good chance,” Mr Keating told Sky News last night.
“Having taken his airline out, how was he going to get it back?
“I think the shareholders would have moved and then the board would have had to do something. The unions on the other hand would have had to do something and we would have had a bargained outcome.
“Instead of that we had the commonwealth deciding it, which saved Joyce and let the unions off the hook.”
This is an interesting view and perhaps reflects an opportunity lost.
Imagine a CEO sitting there trying to explain how much money he was losing on such a grand scale.
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As usual Paul Keating is wise after the event, his observation may well have been true, but it wasn't tested so we will never know.
A contrary view however is that QF must have had a green light for its actions from its shareholders and bankers or its actions would have been reckless in the extreme and shareholders would have extracted reparations really quickly.
My bet is the action was well planned and executed with prcision immediately after the AGM to get best effect and get it out of the way before the Xmas high season statred.
Nothing like a celebration of general goodwill to remove the bad memory, look now the QF lockout is not news any more.
A contrary view however is that QF must have had a green light for its actions from its shareholders and bankers or its actions would have been reckless in the extreme and shareholders would have extracted reparations really quickly.
My bet is the action was well planned and executed with prcision immediately after the AGM to get best effect and get it out of the way before the Xmas high season statred.
Nothing like a celebration of general goodwill to remove the bad memory, look now the QF lockout is not news any more.
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Sometimes Paul Keating shows incredible foresight and insight.
He saw the rise of Asia 25 years ago and moved Australia in that direction, which can be seen now as the right move.
Keating floated the dollar, brought in centralised industrial arbitration and started to remove barriers that prevented Australia from being internationally competitive.
Hawke was always more of the popularist, while Keating was more "this is the right thing to do, **** it, let's do it ...".
My favourite all time one-liner in federal parliament was in a heated debate when Keating referred to the conservatives as the "idiot sons of the Squatocracy".
Hansard has never been as much fun to watch since Keating left.
He saw the rise of Asia 25 years ago and moved Australia in that direction, which can be seen now as the right move.
Keating floated the dollar, brought in centralised industrial arbitration and started to remove barriers that prevented Australia from being internationally competitive.
Hawke was always more of the popularist, while Keating was more "this is the right thing to do, **** it, let's do it ...".
My favourite all time one-liner in federal parliament was in a heated debate when Keating referred to the conservatives as the "idiot sons of the Squatocracy".
Hansard has never been as much fun to watch since Keating left.
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Strambi said the pilots' union, the licensed engineers' union and the Transport Workers Union were unable to take industrial action "for the period of (the Fair Work) arbitration and for the period of the EBA determination", which could be up to four years.
Hmmmmm....
An interesting opinion from Keating, but I fail to see how it would have worked. The section of the Fair Work Act that the Minister used for an application to terminate industrial action could have been used by the Minister, the unions involved, or the employer. Qantas could have made the same application as the minister, using the same section of the Act, and had the same outcome.
I would have thought the political ramifications of the government not acting would have been bad. I believe the shutdown (not he lockout) was a political move to force the governments hand to act. If it did not act, or acted in a manner that showed flaws in the act would have been destabilising to the government. This would have assisted the coalition parties who I believe were in cahoots with Qantas.
I suspect Keating has more political insight than I do however...
I would have thought the political ramifications of the government not acting would have been bad. I believe the shutdown (not he lockout) was a political move to force the governments hand to act. If it did not act, or acted in a manner that showed flaws in the act would have been destabilising to the government. This would have assisted the coalition parties who I believe were in cahoots with Qantas.
I suspect Keating has more political insight than I do however...
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Oxidant, is it just possible that the Rat is not ready for a scrap with SH until they despatch the bulk of LH offshore and then they will be ready to Jetstar the domestic side of things.
Not even they can cope with two separate fronts at this stage but my money is it is just a matter of time unless the current Exec are booted.
Not even they can cope with two separate fronts at this stage but my money is it is just a matter of time unless the current Exec are booted.
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Always liked PK but he his becoming a monday morning quarterback. lets face it Paul you are a has been. If only that nasty JH had not come along. How great you could have been!
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Merry Christmas Mr Joyce
forgive me for the duplicate post of this video (for those who have already seen it) but it was always meant for this thread, it was where a lot of the inspiration for it came from.
by ferris; post 1477 So, a company making (good) profits is 'unviable', but financial institutions that lose so much money they require government bailouts are worthy of executive bonuses in the millions.....
and from Worrels of the wild post 131.....If it wasn't already obvious, it shows what little regard Qantas management has for their customers, to throw people off aircraft with no notice in the middle of a weekend. The unions gave plenty of warning about upcoming disruptions. This is like the world's biggest Christmas baggie snap strike.
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Profit and loss update?
Has anybody got any current profit/loss data, raw is preferable, that they can share, from the time period between the grounding until now? I would like to see how much moolah the little leprechaun stripped away from the groups books by flexing his wee muscles and grounding Hudson Fysh's legacy? He has already seen the companys overall value decline by 71%.
Surely there would be a plethora of consultants and financial analysts measuring the outcome of the wee fella's tanty?
And where oh where is Frau Wirthless? I have not seen him, err her around Mascot lately?
Surely there would be a plethora of consultants and financial analysts measuring the outcome of the wee fella's tanty?
And where oh where is Frau Wirthless? I have not seen him, err her around Mascot lately?
Looks like Joyce is going to cop another pineapple reaming on Monday!
Parliament of Australia: Senate: Committees: Rural Affairs and Transport Committee: Inquiry into Air Navigation and Civil Aviation Amendment (Aircraft Crew) Bill 2011; Qantas Sale Amendment (Still Call Australia Home) Bill 2011: Public hearings and t
Who's shout for the popcorn?
Parliament of Australia: Senate: Committees: Rural Affairs and Transport Committee: Inquiry into Air Navigation and Civil Aviation Amendment (Aircraft Crew) Bill 2011; Qantas Sale Amendment (Still Call Australia Home) Bill 2011: Public hearings and t
Who's shout for the popcorn?
And where oh where is Frau Wirthless?
Looks like Joyce is going to cop another pineapple reaming on Monday!
He set himself up to fall with his previous answers, I will be preying the hurdles are high enough for him to at least struggle badly this time around.
I would love to see a good barrister at work with those two. Though of course not in the biblical sense
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Just hours to go for the vote.
Vote away fellow ppruners
Grounding 'positive' for Qantas brand: Joyce
Vote away fellow ppruners
Grounding 'positive' for Qantas brand: Joyce
