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MERGED: Qantas grounded effective immediately.

Old 30th Oct 2011, 00:33
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This move is nothing but corporate terrorism
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 00:38
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Wonder how the institutional shareholders will feel on Monday morning when they watch the share price in free fall, after having voted up the resolutions at the AGM only the day before this debacle started.
His remuneration may have been in jeopardy had he revealed this before the AGM.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 00:46
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corporate terrorism LOL what about the industrial terrorism that is farking everyone up at QF
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 00:49
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Wonder how the institutional shareholders will feel on Monday morning when they watch the share price in free fall, after having voted up the resolutions at the AGM only the day before this debacle started.
Having watched the farcical AGM yesterday, clearly, share price is not an issue to them!
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 00:52
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Someone find out if Qantas actually booked a heap of extra hotel rooms for pax before the AGM. Did Bruce Buchanan cancel all/some JQ workers leave before the AGM. Was this preplanned?? AJ you have a lot of explaining to do!
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 00:59
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Re Post 216

Dear Fugitive,

You are a FW!

As one of those RAAF Pilots doing the Governments dirty work in 89 I can tell you that there was almost 100% support for the AFAP by the RAAF/RAN Aircrew. After all the AFAP were trying to protect the conditions at airlines we wanted to work for after our time in the Military. Despite most of us receiving direct offers of employment from both airlines (including getting us out of return of service obligations) only a couple of individuals failed the morals test and took up positions. Most of the AN/TN boys were smart enough to realize that:
1. the number of seats we provided was minimal and so did not have a significant effect, and
2. the ADF is not a democracy, you follow orders.

As for the out of town Pilots, The first two batches of America West guys left the jets, packed their bags and went home when they worked out what they had been brought over to do. Subsequent crews only flew in Australia under the threat of dismissal (AW was 25% owned by AN at the time).

I appreciate that other groups may not have been as supportive.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 01:02
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c173, I think you have selectively quoted Dick Smith, and that this is a simple snapshot of Dick Smiths' views and do not correctly represent him.
what the hell is wrong with you dick smith??? you may aswell pull your australian products because I'm not buying them anymore
I think you are playing the man, not the ball.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 01:02
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Watch for a take over bid.

If the nominee companies that hold the bulk of the company's shares are not in this little plan up to their ears then I will eat my hat.

Otherwise Joyce would have been given his marching orders this morning.

Folks, this is a conspiracy to take Qantas private.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 01:06
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The institutional shareholders would not care about the price. They only care that they make money out of the share if it goes down or up. To a large degree they control the price by getting in and out at the right time. Its the mums and dads who should run a mile from this share.

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Old 30th Oct 2011, 01:06
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Folks, this is a conspiracy to take Qantas private
Agreed.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 01:12
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Ch 9 TV news in Perth reporting that ETIHAD, & Singapore Airlines and 'others' will be doing SY - ML and other DOMESTIC runs in AUS to alleviate the backlog and get the pax moving......

Virgin claiming that they still have seats available in the immediate future.

p.s. Why is it that when I type E t i h a d , it prints out as 'Teahid'..???
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 01:12
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Piston Broke Again,

Now that you mention that, I was in a lift last week with three JQ drivers who mentioned that their leave had just been cancelled through to Xmas. They were pretty cranky. Now we know why.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 01:13
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Union busting tactics are not necessarily bad for share prices. It is quite possible that institutional shareholders were aware of what was coming in any case.

It will be interesting to see how much the price drops, could be that the big boys start picking up all the shares discarded by the mums and dads monday morning.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 01:23
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Questions

1. Under the FW Act how can QF lock out staff that are not engaged in PIA such as the short haul pilots?

2. If staff such as baggage handlers represented by the TWU are locked out how do QF Link flights function? Do they have a limited non-union workforce to do this work?

3. Do JQ aircraft require the support of the staff that are to be locked out such as engineers of baggage handling?

4. The Irish Fool has stated the lockout will include all members of the 3 unions but those unions have members at QF Link and JQ so is that what is really going to happen?
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 01:24
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Now that you mention that, I was in a lift last week with three JQ drivers who mentioned that their leave had just been cancelled through to Xmas. They were pretty cranky. Now we know why.
Possibly not, that seems to be ops normal as JQ never have enough crew all year let alone at xmas time. It may be just a coincidence.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 01:24
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Ch 9 TV news in Perth reporting that Teahid, & Singapore Airlines and 'others' will be doing SY - ML
Correct, EY & DL can do one round trip each, SQ & NZ will rotate their aircraft thru MEL & SYD adding tag legs.

DL also planning on sending down with crews 8x 737-800's.

EY doing SYD-BKK daily round-trip with A330
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As a simple member of the public, but as one with corporate experience and knowledge, let me make these following points clear to any QF employees who still hope and believe that this move by AJ will fail and backfire.

1. This move by the Qantas board would have been planned months ago, and with unbelievable attention to detail.

2. AL, LC and other board members didn't get to where they are, by being "nice people". The top levels of the corporate world are filled with utterly ruthless, utterly immoral, and utterly greed-and-ambition-driven people. They take no prisoners.

3. This move is their "blitzkreig", while you all sit around and wave pieces of paper, like Neville Chamberlain. Grounding Qantas is his commencement salvo equivalent to dropping a 14" shell amongst you, before you've even thought about digging trenches. These people treat workers as cannon fodder to achieve their aims. Those aims are to reduce costs to half what they are now, and to exact huge financial rewards to themselves as part of the deal.

4. Unfortunately, AJ, LC and the board will win. There is no way that Qantas will ever remain in its present form, because these people have no intention of allowing it to happen. In the future, the 29th of October 2011 will be seen as the day that the original Qantas died.

5. The aim of AJ and the board is to drop a hand grenade that scatters the mob. In addition, this move is designed to make politicians cave in, and allow the Qantas Sale Act to be dismantled. (Every other Act, Govt-owned organisation or other legislation designed to benefit the Australian people has been dismantled or destroyed by corporate bastardry that made politicians cave in to their demands).

6. The travelling public care not a whit, in general, about who carries them, in this day and age. They have been trained to seek out the lowest cost, and at the click of a mouse button, they can find it.
To the travelling public, all aeroplanes look the same, all pilots look the same, and the main factor that drives them is how easy it is for them to get a free upgrade.
The anger of the public is currently directed at Qantas. Not AJ, not LC, not any board member. Just Qantas, the airline. The damage has been done to the brand, and neither AJ, nor LC, nor any board member really care.
They are intent on their Asianisation plan, and it will be carried out, without a shadow of a doubt.
Unions and complaining workers are just a problem that have to be deal with in a jackboot manner .. and believe me, these people regard jackboots as just part of their tools of trade.

I have been in on enough corporate meetings (as a corporate outsider) to see how these people operate. They talk about how they plan to ambush people, ramp shares, and do anything that is needed, to fulfill their aims of power and greed.

They are utterly devoid of ethics or morals, and I don't believe that anyone who has never been party to their corporate scheming, understands how ruthless these people are, and how little they care about peoples lives, loyalties, and working conditions.
I feel sorry for all genuinely honest and hardworking Qantas employees, because you are no match for these ruthless pricks.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 01:42
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20 Ruthless pricks versus 20.000 angry good folk.
I'm not so sure.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 01:45
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YSSY twr controller advises QF flight that "company would like you to contact them"

Hear the action as it happened...

Qantas grounds all flights | LiveATC.net

(need to log-in to listen)

YSSY Twr feed for 29 October at 0600-0630Z, about 10:40 into the stream.

Interesting exchange between Sydney tower and a Qantas flight taxiing for takeoff just as the company gounds all flights. At Controller advises Qantas to contact company before continuing taxi ... about a minute later the Qantas requests a return to the terminal.

Also, in the first minute or two of the stream, QF5 heavy departs YSSY around 1702 AEST, about a minute *after* the grounding came into effect.


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Old 30th Oct 2011, 01:47
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The fact that they've sacrificed the Qantas' name and reputation (eg travellers in Perth for Chogm, Bangkok floods and the Spring Carnival) means they're planning to shut the company down for good.
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