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Old 31st Oct 2011, 02:38
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Mach082 ”The pax will not be inconvenienced one bit”

You suggest flying into headwinds , that normally adds to flight time causing delays therefore incovenience.

Even if you were to fly your 'high fuel burn profile' perfectly with no delay you have just eroded the safety margin in the flight by carrying more fuel resulting in greater take off distance and mmore stress on the aircraft and engines while the primary goal of this flight is to be an economic weapon rather than a safe , efficient and comfortable flight for the pax who are customers trying to support you.

Seriously , just think about what you said logically , there is an effect
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Keep flying Qantas, it will be bigger and better than ever.
Providing you don't want to fly to London all the way on Q via BKK or HKG.


As the day progresses it appears Alan Joyce is on the nose with the public, he is attracting scathing comments from all over the country with his now well documented action last Saturday, Qantas management didn't give a stuff about it's customers, no warning in its preplanned action. .

FWA is a joke, it sided with the company, so why have FWA at all? It is a dud piece of industrial relations feeding more lawyers who didn't accept their own decision to allow the unions the right to legal action.. If Qantas didn't have strong unions then today we would see a lot less Australians working for Q....

I doubt the Australian public are falling for what you preach NP Q customers have been silently voting with their feet for a few years now due to poor management decisions .....what Joyce has demonstrated since the AGM, it's all about his pay packet and his pals on the board led by LC and his ego.

NP, Why do guys like you want to come on here and wind everyone up... why not go and gloat with the mainstream media comment sections....?

Having said that, I do agree with you on.

Don't worry about fools like Mach082 planning to take revenge out on QF which would also impact on customers.
yep, spot on, that's not the way to fix things...
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 02:41
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Is it true the CEO said that he was worried about pilots getting high blood pressure and in the name of safety it is best they are not flying during this?
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 02:51
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Does he think their blood pressure has come down any?
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 03:05
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Bloody turncoat, he didn't want to get involved, much, now he spins it like the government did it....

love the question 1.03 "should it be illegal.......
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 03:07
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Have just read the decision here [2011] FWAFB 7444


[10] It is unlikely that the protected industrial action taken by the three unions, even taken together, is threatening to cause significant damage to the tourism and air transport industries. The response industrial action of which Qantas has given notice, if taken, threatens to cause significant damage to the tourism and air transport industries and indirectly to industry generally because of the effect on consumers of air passenger and cargo services. The Qantas evidence was that the cost to it alone is $20 million per day.
[11] We find that the requirements of s.424(1) have been made out with respect to the action of which Qantas has given notice in relation to the three proposed enterprise agreements. In the circumstances we are required to make an order either terminating or suspending the protected action.
So it was only Qantas's protected industrial action which met the requirements of s 424(1). Why then was the protected industrial action by the unions, which FWA found did not meet the requirements of the section, also terminated?

Any legal minds able to provide a judicial decision in relation to this?
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 03:15
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Thanks for the link 'Voice'.....

On the ball, and to the point - as usual!

Cheers

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Old 31st Oct 2011, 03:21
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Widespread (unconfirmed - hey it's a rumor network) that CASA hasn't read the script and won't release QF until 3pm TUESDAY!!
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 03:26
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Have just read the decision here [2011] FWAFB 7444



[10] It is unlikely that the protected industrial action taken by the three unions, even taken together, is threatening to cause significant damage to the tourism and air transport industries. The response industrial action of which Qantas has given notice, if taken, threatens to cause significant damage to the tourism and air transport industries and indirectly to industry generally because of the effect on consumers of air passenger and cargo services. The Qantas evidence was that the cost to it alone is $20 million per day.
[11] We find that the requirements of s.424(1) have been made out with respect to the action of which Qantas has given notice in relation to the three proposed enterprise agreements. In the circumstances we are required to make an order either terminating or suspending the protected action.
So it was only Qantas's protected industrial action which met the requirements of s 424(1). Why then was the protected industrial action by the unions, which FWA found did not meet the requirements of the section, also terminated?

Any legal minds able to provide a judicial decision in relation to this?
There is case law that terminating can be done for all action.
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 03:28
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Thumbs down To add to rumours

this strategy was in line with the revised schedules coming in april. A333 from mel to hkg, bkk terminators etc. they might have an excuse now to bring some of the flying changes forward as punters will vote with their feet and abandon qf. aj and the board then can blame the unions on losing the business.
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 03:31
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See my post #806.

Seems possible that CASA has the balls that most in government did not!

I would not be endorsing a Qantas conceived risk management plan until I was absolutely sure all identified risks had been mitigated as best as possible.

That assessment may take some time
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 03:32
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Not true, Qantas signed off by CASA to resume at 15:00 today (sydney time).
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 03:33
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Thanks ACT Crusader,

Can you point me towards any particular case(s)? It would be interesting to see how far up the hierarchy of courts this point has been considered.
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 03:36
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Can Joyce ever fly Qantas again?

Exclusion from flight:

A person shall be denied boarding if they:
. conduct themselves in an improper manner
. are apparently of unsound mind
. are likely to constitute an annoyance to other passengers or crew.....

The final decision to offload passengers rests with the Pilot In Command
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 03:37
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The Qantas Stink and the dirty little man

Prediction - Alan Joyce will go. He hasn't realised it but he has been used by the board to do their dirty work. Qantas is on the nose because of Alan Joyce. Whilst Joyce smells so does Qantas. The public dont see the boards face, just the voice and face of Joyce - and the voice and face of Qantas is Alan Joyce.




The public see Joyce as a nasty arrogant egocentric maniac and that's how they see Qantas. For that reason he will go. Qantas cannot survive with a dirty face.

Qantas will need/get a fresh new inspiring leader to take Qantas forward from 2011. The board will pay Joyce out and justify the cost the same way they justified the cost of the grounding. .... Joyce will last 12 months max. You watch

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Old 31st Oct 2011, 03:45
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There is case law that terminating can be done for all action.
Can you clarify the above Crusader... CAN be done, or MUST be done for all action?

In the case of the former, there is absolutely no reason for the three unions' action to be terminated (especially the pilots).
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 03:58
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Newpiper are you gloating?

Nobody will win from this at QANTAS
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 04:01
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Parliament Question Time is interesting.

Something to note from Albanese:

According to AJ, the airline was grounded solely due to the suspension of the AOC due safety concerns (from stress?).

What happened to grounding the fleet because of the industrial action, eh AJ?
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 04:08
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According to AJ, the airline was grounded solely due to the suspension of the AOC due safety concerns (from stress?).
I would suggest that all are more stressed NOW than on Friday / Saturday.
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Ok, now some time has passed by since the FWA announcement, I believe it is a good time to look at the live announcements again, I feel that we all have been hoodwinked... I trust some legal eagles on here may see something that isn't quite right.... before the media start editing stuff out for tonight's stories...

will post some more as the day progresses....

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