MERGED: Qantas grounded effective immediately.

[ejectx3]

It appears all the trolls aren't that good at basic spelling and sentence construction....

Perhaps not too much going on upstairs?

Fools.

[tmadam]

Guidice

amos2: fascinating. And a 120 day suspension, which is sounding like the second most likely outcome tonight, would end right at the end of February.

"Justice Giudice said he intended to finish in the position at the end of February next year."

[POT100]

I think you're on the money QF94..

If the company get their way, AJ's position will become untenable in the long term because the moral is completely destroyed..
There is no way in hell he or the management will get the staff on board.

My theory - they would love a take over bid.
3 yrs ago the bid was for 11 billion..Guess what, now you can buy that same company for about 3 billion, [with 3 billion in cash reserves]..What a bargain!!!

Maybe Branson will buy QF with Virgins petty cash!

[booglaboy]

I'm a shareholder with vested interests in qantas. I'm a believer in good over evil, the power of one and the convictions to fight the good fight. Qantas is me, I am qantas.

[forever flying]

Qantas are sure blackmailing now!

thompsonbenji Ben Thompson
#qantas. Serious safety concerns remain if there is a suspension not termination. Suspension means grounding may not be lifted. Q counsel.

[SimonBl]

And from Leigh Howard, just to show how this was received:

"Q: no evidence suspension will return #Qantas to the air. There is a real possibility that qantas will not fly during suspension (!!!!)"

Wow.

[Slippery_Pete]

Qantas are sure blackmailing now!

Exactly. This is what I have been saying from the start. They are holding the Australian Government to ransom.

They should allow a 120 day suspension, and in the mean-time, hold a parliamentary enquiry into the actions of the Qantas CEO and board.

No matter the outcome, if the ASX can prove the grounding (or even the strong possibility of a grounding) was deliberately withheld from shareholders at the AGM, AJ is toast.

[RATpin]

bb,admire your passion,however,you sound like someone who has watched too many school choirs on the box. Time to wake up to what it is, not what we may wish it to be.

[SOPS]

What will the insane action cost long term?.....Just spoke to a good friend stranded in SIN......he is the Managing Director of a large company that until yesterday used QF for all company travel.....His words were " I blame AJ for all of this we the pax are being used as "hostages" and if and when I get home I will be reviewing our company travel policy as a matter of urgency"

[Seriously]

So Qantas management decide that due to stresses put on operating crew because of continued protected industrial action that it is unsafe to continue to operate.

However it is perfectly safe to continue to operate RR powered 744s with a known design defect instead of expediting the modifications.

How many in-flight shutdowns of these engines have they had in the last 24 months?

Not a safety issue at all

[Sunfish]

This is Royal Commission territory.

[forever flying]

The problem is, the government is saying a termination is going to be more effective because all they want is to "lessen the impact of this whole crisis on the economy", and a suspension will only delay what would have happened if the government hadn't intervened.

Now Qantas is saying that a suspension will increase saftey risks, spark action from CASA anyway and further damage the economy due to the uncertainty of there being no closure to the matter.

As much as I hate to f***** say it, I feel this is only going to go the way of termination.

AIPA beginning their final submission now...

[1a sound asleep]

As much as I hate to f***** say it, I feel this is only going to go the way of termination.

So this would mean Fair Work Australia is basically responsible for the decimation of all unions in Australia. After this there is no point in any union

[SimonBl]

I realise it's rhetorical, as no-one knows the answer, but how on earth can FWA believe that it's "more safe" to terminate all industrial action than to suspend it and force more discussions?

If they terminate, does that then bring arbitration on?

[Mstr Caution]

SimonB

Someone else correct me if I'm wrong.

I think termination means the parties have 21 days to negotiate an outcome otherwise it is arbitrated.

[chockchucker]

FWA didn't say that. That was part of the Qantas submission.

[mohikan]

1A has hit the nail on the head.

The real issue is that FWA and the current labour laws are a dead-dodo if the PIA is terminated.

All an employer has to do now is lock out a workforce in PIA and apply to FWA for termination.

I expect that the Qantas offshoring plan will be implemented now almost immediately. The whole 'red q' thing is a BS smokescreen. As many have pointed out the A320 NEO doesnt meet any of the range or capacity criteria.

Expect to see A380's in Singapore flown by contractors sooner rather then later

[rh200]

I must say the health and saftey card was a low trick to pull. It is not something to be used as justification for WMD action. It puts FWA in a bad position and I don't know how Qantas health and saftey could justify pilots etc being okay to fly in a despondent we just got bent over and taken mindset.

[bob johns]

bob johns

If I could be stupid eneough ,as an imprecunious ,old cockie ,ex pilot , if QF is worth only 3 bn WTF dont we buy it back and only reduce our forein aid bill by one third. I know that privatisation is all the go at the moment but there are some things that need to be above the bastardry that this little creep has caused ! Water- power - health - transport - road -rail -AIR and sea-- Six little pricks like that could wreck this place forever.- Or just leave the ALP-Greens in next time.

[Tuner 2]

Remember that this action is brought about, strictly speaking, in response to Qantas' PIA. Therefore a blanket termination for all the parties is probably more than 90% likely.