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Globalisation ??!!?? - Just watched, here in UK, a Russia Today (RT) news channel report regarding the plight of Japan. While not specific to Qantas, it has similar overtones.
Something smells fishy in Japan's economy — RT
“Japanese industry can probably endure the current 75-yen-to-the-dollar level for a little while,” says House of Councillors member Yoichi Kaneko. “But if this situation doesn’t change over a longer period, I think we’re going to see Japanese factories and large companies move their operations overseas – to places like Vietnam, Thailand, or China. This would lead to a hollowing out of Japanese domestic industry and create unemployment. Japan is facing an extraordinary economic crisis.”
Now the Aussie dollar is stronger than the Yen, but what's happening at Qantas is happening all around the world, in every industry, right now, and at an ever increasing pace.
I don't know the answer, except to shoot the bastards (CEO's / Politicians / Bankers) dead.
Anyway, good luck to all.
Something smells fishy in Japan's economy — RT
“Japanese industry can probably endure the current 75-yen-to-the-dollar level for a little while,” says House of Councillors member Yoichi Kaneko. “But if this situation doesn’t change over a longer period, I think we’re going to see Japanese factories and large companies move their operations overseas – to places like Vietnam, Thailand, or China. This would lead to a hollowing out of Japanese domestic industry and create unemployment. Japan is facing an extraordinary economic crisis.”
Now the Aussie dollar is stronger than the Yen, but what's happening at Qantas is happening all around the world, in every industry, right now, and at an ever increasing pace.
I don't know the answer, except to shoot the bastards (CEO's / Politicians / Bankers) dead.
Anyway, good luck to all.
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SP is passionate about our profession and the membership and goes to great lengths to represent us under very trying circumstances.
Most guys I know respect his efforts and would by him a beer anytime.
Unlike yourself, obviously self centred and inept and incapable of leading men but instead anonymously attacks someone who is brave enough to front the media, pollies and the mongrels of our industry.
SP is passionate about our profession and the membership and goes to great lengths to represent us under very trying circumstances.
Most guys I know respect his efforts and would by him a beer anytime.
Unlike yourself, obviously self centred and inept and incapable of leading men but instead anonymously attacks someone who is brave enough to front the media, pollies and the mongrels of our industry.
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QANTAS as we know it is dead
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Gillard Government, + QLD, +NSW, +VIC all argue that Industrial action is terminatated.. meaning if agreed the Unions cannot take action into the future
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Originally Posted by Clipped
SP is passionate about our profession and the membership and goes to great lengths to represent us under very trying circumstances.
Most guys I know respect his efforts and would by him a beer anytime.
Most guys I know respect his efforts and would by him a beer anytime.
If your salary isn't paid from Monday night, that would be due to SP
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By pleading for suspension the Unions will have shot themselves in the foot and forever nullified their position.
The fight is now or never the unions did nothing wrong under their FWA sanctioned PIA. To argue for suspension is senseless, don't hand the Gov,the FWA and QF what they want on a silver platter...make THEM squirm and have to justify their decision to the workers of Australia.
A suspension or termination judgement by the FWA now will show them as little more than a worthless, toothless, Corporate puppet.....Justice Giudice announces his resignation on Thursday from the FWA, if this is not a foreboding sign, what is?
Concede now and it is a slam-dunk that the Unions will never be able to psychologically convince their memberships to go through this again.
To me this is the Unions giving up and is sending the wrong message, no matter how they try to spin it.
P.S. What is it about the QF Long-Haul pilots.....they seem to love letting other Unions go first and do the real dirty work and take the flak and if they don't like what they see its all finger pointing and "it was them not us" deserting the cause.
"All we were ever going to do was wear a red tie", geez grow a set will yas!
The fight is now or never the unions did nothing wrong under their FWA sanctioned PIA. To argue for suspension is senseless, don't hand the Gov,the FWA and QF what they want on a silver platter...make THEM squirm and have to justify their decision to the workers of Australia.
A suspension or termination judgement by the FWA now will show them as little more than a worthless, toothless, Corporate puppet.....Justice Giudice announces his resignation on Thursday from the FWA, if this is not a foreboding sign, what is?
Concede now and it is a slam-dunk that the Unions will never be able to psychologically convince their memberships to go through this again.
To me this is the Unions giving up and is sending the wrong message, no matter how they try to spin it.
P.S. What is it about the QF Long-Haul pilots.....they seem to love letting other Unions go first and do the real dirty work and take the flak and if they don't like what they see its all finger pointing and "it was them not us" deserting the cause.
"All we were ever going to do was wear a red tie", geez grow a set will yas!
I think the ACTU get a sense of that and that is why they said they reject the application flat out. They did however note that suspension would be their preference thereafter.
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I lead many people thank you. SP is incapable of organising a p@ss up in brewery... just watch his performance at the AGM. If you blindly let him leed you then you have the same IQ as he does... vey low
I lead many people thank you. SP is incapable of organising a p@ss up in brewery... just watch his performance at the AGM. If you blindly let him leed you then you have the same IQ as he does... vey low
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What happens now?
What happens after the FWA ruling, no matter what the result?
Ide imagine a slow death to the company until they replace the CEO/Board. The majority of Qantas employees with the "ARMY OF ONE" attitude.
Anyone got any other views of how it will pan out?
Ide imagine a slow death to the company until they replace the CEO/Board. The majority of Qantas employees with the "ARMY OF ONE" attitude.
Anyone got any other views of how it will pan out?
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Have a great deal of empathy with Qantas staff on this one ! Was newly between jobs when The Dispute wrecked the airline industry in 89! I was offered an FO slot with Australian , but how I hated Hawke and Abeles with a passion and spewed at the thought of working for and with scabs I declined. Try and explain that to a wife and two school aged kids (at that time )whose Dad couldnt get a job!!!I hav nt flown since 1991 and have been border line broke ,farming ,ever since but I can always stand and say that I didnt SCAB!! Hang in there chaps .That little c---t has shot himself up the arse with this one.
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QANTAS as we know it is dead
With all due respect... wasn't this said a number of years ago under Geoff Dixon.. remember... GD destroyed the QF brand? So answer now.. Did GD destroy the QF brand or not.. you can't have it both ways.. You can't have two master criminals.
QANTAS as we know it is dead
With all due respect... wasn't this said a number of years ago under Geoff Dixon.. remember... GD destroyed the QF brand? So answer now.. Did GD destroy the QF brand or not.. you can't have it both ways.. You can't have two master criminals.
Yet GD is hovering around the carcass with his mate John Singleton and waiting to buy the carcass, pick its eyes and then finally sell it off like he failed to do last time.
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I know that I speak on behalf of many QF pilots that frequent this forum when I say "pi$$ off"
We are not interested in your rhetoric and lies. We can log onto qffflightcrew.com to get that type of tripe there.
I know that I speak on behalf of many QF pilots that frequent this forum when I say "pi$$ off"
We are not interested in your rhetoric and lies. We can log onto qffflightcrew.com to get that type of tripe there.
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Enlighten us cargo. What position do you hold? Who do you lead?. If You are such a major player and so insightful you won't be afraid to talk from your position of great power and safety
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Back in 1989 a young, naive, lawyer by the name of Tony North represented the AFAP during the 1989 pilots dispute.
Another young, naive, lawyer by the name of Geoff Guidice represented the Companies during the 1989 pilots dispute.
Over a period of 18 months or so I attended most of the court cases regarding that dispute and had many conversations with both lawyers and also overheard many conversations with those lawyers and their associates.
As we all know, the companies won that dispute, Australian pilots were dispersed all over the world and aviation in Oz has never been the same since.
Tony Norths career went backwards for many years after that loss, until he took on another case representing employers, won that and then became a QC after many, many years in the wilderness!
Geoff Guidice, however, had a wonderful career instantly, went on to bigger and better things and has had a wonderful life based on destroying the lives of some 1657 pilots, their wives and families!
That same Geoff Guidice is currently the President of Fair Work Australia, has indicated a week ago that he is retiring in a few months time, is currently the head honcho for FWA re the Qantas dispute and has a reputation for looking after number one!
I would be very, very concerned if I were a Qantas pilot.
Another young, naive, lawyer by the name of Geoff Guidice represented the Companies during the 1989 pilots dispute.
Over a period of 18 months or so I attended most of the court cases regarding that dispute and had many conversations with both lawyers and also overheard many conversations with those lawyers and their associates.
As we all know, the companies won that dispute, Australian pilots were dispersed all over the world and aviation in Oz has never been the same since.
Tony Norths career went backwards for many years after that loss, until he took on another case representing employers, won that and then became a QC after many, many years in the wilderness!
Geoff Guidice, however, had a wonderful career instantly, went on to bigger and better things and has had a wonderful life based on destroying the lives of some 1657 pilots, their wives and families!
That same Geoff Guidice is currently the President of Fair Work Australia, has indicated a week ago that he is retiring in a few months time, is currently the head honcho for FWA re the Qantas dispute and has a reputation for looking after number one!
I would be very, very concerned if I were a Qantas pilot.
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Maybe I.R.A Alan can run a power utility next and turn all the power off to a major Australian capital city ...
I.R.A. = I Ruin Airlines
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I.R.A. = I Ruin Airlines
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So, Vic, Qld, Commonwealth & Qantas all pushing for termination of industrial action.
You'd have to, surely, think that this was the LC and AJ plan all along. How anyone thinks that all will then be sweet afterwards, if that's the determination of FWA, is beyond me.
Does that, if it happens, mean that the unions would then have to reapply to FWA to recommence PIA again? If so, what's the bloody point?
The person that disappoints me the most in all this is Peter Cosgrove, I thought the man had integrity. It would appear that I was wrong.
You'd have to, surely, think that this was the LC and AJ plan all along. How anyone thinks that all will then be sweet afterwards, if that's the determination of FWA, is beyond me.
Does that, if it happens, mean that the unions would then have to reapply to FWA to recommence PIA again? If so, what's the bloody point?
The person that disappoints me the most in all this is Peter Cosgrove, I thought the man had integrity. It would appear that I was wrong.