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Old 30th Oct 2011, 11:30
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Sky News Reports:

Qantas to remain grounded until at least noon Monday.

With each passing minute planes sit on the ground, more and more turn their backs on Qantas... let's just hope it's not toward Jetstar!
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 11:33
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Say they go for a termination... the next time Woolies/Coles have an IR tiff, they just instigate a lockout, shut down half the nation's supermarkets and the government will terminate the action and demand people return to work. Voila, Plutocracy Rules, and all thanks to a Labor government!'
Whole thing's smellier than a ing sardine cannery.
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Another ironic point here...

Consideration of PIA termination by the federal government is supposedly to protect the Australian economy.

They are so worried about the immediate, short term effect on the economy they are failing to see the offshoring of Qantas to Asia will guarantee permanent and massive damage to Australia's economy in the long run.
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Pilots: Qantas have said that any result other than a termination will result in grounding. #Qantas is threatening FWA
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Qantas is threatening FWA
The crux right there.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 11:41
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Every worker in this country can kiss their arses goodbye if the judges terminate the action.

WORK.
CONSUME.
BE SILENT.
DIE.
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Qantas has never acted in"good faith" during any negotiation with AIPA. FWA requires both or all parties to negotiate in good faith. There should be a suspension and Qantas made to act and negotiate in good faith.
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Kelps,

Give us an update fella! Long time no read.
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No matter the outcome, if the ASX can prove the grounding (or even the strong possibility of a grounding) was deliberately withheld from shareholders at the AGM, AJ is toast.
Fingers crossed !

Read this Pilots say email proves Qantas planned grounding - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

But the Australian International Pilots Association (AIPA) has obtained an email apparently sent by Jetstar CEO Bruce Buchanan last night advising his staff of the actions being taken by Qantas.

The date on the memo was Wednesday October 26 and is addressed to team leaders saying: "By now you may be aware Qantas has announced a precautionary grounding of its fleet from 5pm Saturday", and warned of the Monday lockout.

AIPA vice-president Captain Richard Woodward says the date on the email reveals the extent of the airline's "calculated" plans to freeze operations.

"It is dated Wednesday 26th of October - so this has been planned and orchestrated," he said.

"You don't stop an airline overnight."This has been a long considered plan by Qantas to escalate this dispute, right when CHOGM was happening, damaging our international reputation and just before Melbourne Cup, which is one of the busiest days of the year for the airline."

Jetstar says the date on the memo is incorrect and simple human error is to blame.

The airline says it used an old banner for the memo and forgot to change the date
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 11:47
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I will be "fatigued due to the distress caused by the grounding of Qantas-I couldn't sleep cos of the worry" tomorrow before i sign on.There is a no-blame policy due to fatigue at qf isnt their?
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 11:49
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By J@@@us..these people can lie.....and old banner for the email..yeh sure and I am on the first mission to Mars
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 11:53
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Just as an aside to my other posts it just go to show how ******* stupid is to allow solid manufacturing industries to go off shore and to pretend an industry ,so fragile as tourism to take up the slack!--Oure old Diggers must be rolling over in their graves.There was another bloke named Joyce that **** on Aussies in the WW2 . His nick -name was Lord Haw Haw he worked for the other side and when the Brits caught him they hung the c--t.
 
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air asia & jet star to the rescue

A critically important tie-up between Qantas/Jetstar and Air Asia is about to be announced.

The founder and CEO of Air Asia, Tony Fernandes, the founding CEO of Jetstar as well as current CEO of Qantas, Alan Joyce, and his successor at Jetstar, Bruce Buchanan, will hold a joint press conference tomorrow morning in Sydney.


and then
AirAsia X to rescue Qantas fliers with special fares

PETALING JAYA: Long haul budget airline AirAsia X has announced special fares for passengers affected by Qantas’ decision to ground its flights indefinitely.

“Anyone holding a valid Qantas ticket to any of our AirAsia X destinations in the next 48 hours can access our special one-way rescue fares of RM503,” said AirAsia X chief executive officer Azran Osman-Rani in a statement here yesterday


Oh how co-incidental just join the dots, air asia & jet star to the rescue.
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Run this little prick off the planet. Good luck employees. Your resolve will put the rest of the world airline ceo's trying similar plans on notice.
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Originally Posted by bob johns
Just as an aside to my other posts it just go to show how ******* stupid is to allow solid manufacturing industries to go off shore and to pretend an industry ,so fragile as tourism to take up the slack!
I hate to think what what Australia's economy will be like by the time my 1 year old daughter retires, after all the dirt worth digging out of the ground has been shipped to China and we have nothing more to offer.
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Originally Posted by cart_elevator
I will be "fatigued due to the distress caused by the grounding of Qantas-I couldn't sleep cos of the worry" tomorrow before i sign on.There is a no-blame policy due to fatigue at qf isnt their?
Bet that's got more truth in it than any of the company's arguments right about now
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Originally Posted by Worrals in the wilds
Say they go for a termination... the next time Woolies/Coles have an IR tiff, they just instigate a lockout, shut down half the nation's supermarkets and the government will terminate the action and demand people return to work. Voila, Plutocracy Rules, and all thanks to a Labor government!'
Funny you mention Woolies. I spent a fair bit of time in their employ, as a nightfiller and then later as a night manager while getting my CPL.

Woolworths has a very heavily unionised workforce. You'd be hard pushed to find a single employee among the rank and file in the stores that isn't a member of the SDA; the union organiser swings past during every induction to do his spiel, and most people sign up on the spot. Every couple of years when EBA time comes round, Woolies bargain in good faith with the unions, end up with a reasonably happy workforce that feels valued, and the company continue to make record profits.

AJ could learn many lessons in IR from Woolies.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 12:14
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"Human Error" ??

Funny how no company notices were released on Wednesday 26th.
So the template was based on something that hadn't even occurred!
More evidence of the lying f in management.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 12:16
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Hello.

No update, for some reason I cannot get to the hearing in Melbourne!!!

I have my sources there though!!!

I have a copy of BBs memo to all Jetstar employees on the grounding- dated 26th October!! Just domt know how to post a copy on here!!

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Old 30th Oct 2011, 12:19
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BUT Woolworths competes with Coles, BiLo, Franklins etc who draw their work force from the same pool and are governed by the same laws.

Would Woolworths workers enjoy the same conditions if Nilgiris (a large Indian supermarket chain) could set up next door using Indian workers on Indian wages who weren't subject to Australian workplace laws ?

Would Australians pay higher prices to buy the same trolley full of groceries just to keep Woolworth workers pay and conditions up ?

This is where QF International finds itself.
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