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Old 30th Oct 2011, 08:53
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It is quite obvious that Clifford/Joyce have been goading the unions for a long time into taking industrial action so that Management had the justification to ground Qantas and lock-out Qantas workers.

OK, they have now achieved that. Whether that action was justified or not by the union action (the Australian public jury is still out), Qantas is now grounded.

The question we ask is why?

1. What is the end-play of the Clifford/Joyce game?
2. Will a White Knight arrive and in what form...a take-over bid?
3. Shutdown the Qantas brand, sack all the Qantas workers, gift all Qantas routes, aircraft and gear to JetStar?
4. Re-employ those workers who are willing to run the expanded JetStar?

Please supply written answers on a tablecloth, serviette or even the back of an old envelope...
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 08:59
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Hi Flexible Response.

My guess is that option three is the most liked by management. It will essentially rid them of the restrictions of the QF Sale Act.

Getting back in the air with either a suspension or termination will still present the problem of the QF Sale Act and a company damaged, possibly beyond repair.

Shut QF down, flog it all off to J* and the South East Asia solution... BINGO - no QF sale act.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 09:04
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The end game has always been to slip the Qantas Sales Act 1992 and to take the crown jewels private. This aim has been at least 10 years in the making. Decisions about directing new aircraft to Jetstar, diminishing route structure to deliberately weaken the international business.

The crown jewels are the landing slots, terminal leases, international route agreements. These are effectively monopolies and extremely difficult to replicate. (Think of the value of the domestic network terminals and parking bays, there isn't any more real estate available to build more).

Once the airline is bankrupted, these crown jewels will find their way into private hands.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 09:09
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Folks, there is a troll here. They are *deliberately* trying to spoil & hijack this thread using a large number of posts. Don't give it oxygen.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 09:13
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from Fair Work Australia - The Government and QANTAS are pushing for a complete termination of industrial action. Deloitte now arguing on behalf of QANTAS regarding certainty.
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from Fair Work Australia hearing:
"Deloitte: Australian domestic tourism market already fragile b/c of Australia's two speed economy"
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 09:16
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Yes b'burrito: And the question is which private hands will the shares fall into.

This is the crux of the matter and one that needs to be watched like a hawk.

As mentioned, it would be funny to see Gillard re-nationalise the thing overnight. Hopefully that would arrest the appalling mis-management that has turned a once proud icon into a dithering mess. QF is a clear case of where privitisation is not always the answer.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 09:30
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Reading the tweets from inside the FWA hearing it's obvious that suspension would be the most logical outcome. Some of the testimony from Qantas is embarrassing in it's lack of real industrial disruption caused. Storm in a tea cup that's got most commentators struggling to understand why the airline was grounded. Totally unnecessary and a tactical error to try and force a decision from FWA during CHOGM. There are some political points to be garnered by the Labor government but they need FWA to make punctual determination tonight. Reith crapping on about union power is to be expected but Labor needs to recapture there working class constituents and illustrate Labor's true support for the vast majority who are somewhat disconnected after the recent carbon tax and boat people policy debacles.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 09:49
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is this '89 happening again?
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 09:49
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Just wondering is QFA the ICAO call sign for QANTAS
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 09:51
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Where to from here?

Does everyone realise that by diverting passengers to Jetstar, the Rat is achieving its aims???? Why should they be rewarded for this behaviour??? I know people are in dire straits but playing into the hands of these people is not what they deserve in the long term.

Every passenger contributes to the Bonus of both AJ and his cronies and frankly they have taken self interest to a whole new level.

DJ have added 31,000 seats capacity and even the Rat own expert "didnt know if that was enough" so why is he calling himself an expert, oh sorry the Rat is paying him.

Whatever the outcome in FWA there is seismic change happening because the Rat has deliberately destroyed its brand to near death status and then they have the nerve to say the brand will recover. Very presumptuous to all those stranded passengers.

I dont care who anyone flies with but for me any Rat Group company will be strictly last choice and that includes driving and train from here. Of course that all could change overnight if they fire their CEO(as a start).

They will reap what they sow.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 09:54
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is this '89 happening again?
No, no one is resigning and it is an entirely different industrial climate.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 09:55
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is this '89 happening again?
This has the potential to make 1989 look like a picnic.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 10:02
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A Quote from Chris Ulhmann on the 7:30 report
from an anonymous government minister at CHOGM

Asked if he believed had held a gun to the governments head by qantas:

"Yes but the bullet will be going through their brain first"!
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 10:06
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Very interesting 7.30 report on ABC. AJ has gone to ground, now refusing interviews, the Gov't is really pi$$ed.

Me thinks AJ has realised he has lost it. The public are furious at him. The politicians are furious at him. Workers not involved in the dispute are furious at him.

Any bright tech heads out there able to start an online public petition calling for AJ and LC to resign (not a union site). Should be able to get hundreds of thousands to sign up as word spreads through here, twitter etc. www.sackjoyce.com or something. I don't know how to do it.

Maintain the rage! AJ and LC could be gone very very soon!!!!!!!
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 10:16
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"Yes but the bullet will be going through their brain first"!

That's the quote I've been looking for!
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 10:18
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AJ has gone to ground, now refusing interviews
I have been wondering since Friday.......where's Olivia

It will be interesting to hear the 2 QF morning show hacks in the morning (Monday) Kochie & Karl
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 10:23
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"Yes but the bullet will be going through their brain first"!
Possibly, but has this government managed to shoot from the hit on any crisis so far and get it right?
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who invited the state governments into the deal?
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 10:29
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The anonymous minister talking about misfiring bullets is from the same decision making process that gave us the idiotic FWA laws in the first place; changed the refugee program so that those who come by boat get first choice; pink batts; BER; fibre optic internet whether you like it or not; carbon tax; poker machine limits (tba) etc etc.
I guess he/she would know with all that wisdom....not!!!
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