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Alan Joyce - Good News World 31/10 22:30
It has been confirmed Alan Joyce will be appearing as a guest on tommorow nights show.
Can't wait to see what he's got to say now...
Can't wait to see what he's got to say now...
A lot of Jetstar's (line) maintenance is done by Qantas LAMEs.
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erm...we haven't actually been locked out yet and are currently still being paid.
are you a qantas lame and alaea member? if so, you would know that SP draws his wage from the ALAEA. You may then comprehend that this arrangement gives him the protection required to do the work he does.
You would also know that the majority of the ALAEA executive are volunteers that are Full Time Employee LAME's employed by QANTAS. Their paycheque comes from the same place that all other QF LAME's does - QANTAS. That should give you some confidence that they don't take lightly their decisions regarding Qantas EB negotiations.
Do union organizers get paid whilst the members are on strike or locked out. What award is Steve P paid under or is he on an individual agreement, thanks FOR STUFFING MY LIFE YOU GRUB.
are you a qantas lame and alaea member? if so, you would know that SP draws his wage from the ALAEA. You may then comprehend that this arrangement gives him the protection required to do the work he does.
You would also know that the majority of the ALAEA executive are volunteers that are Full Time Employee LAME's employed by QANTAS. Their paycheque comes from the same place that all other QF LAME's does - QANTAS. That should give you some confidence that they don't take lightly their decisions regarding Qantas EB negotiations.
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Renationalise QF, lock all unions into a ten year cpi agreement and start BUILDING an airline WITH the employees!!
That would pull the rug out from under these greedy psychopaths!!
That would pull the rug out from under these greedy psychopaths!!
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Dont forget the second leg...replace QF Domestic with Jetstar because that is only a matter of time regardless of legalities that pollies will change to save the travelling public.
There is a noticeable shift in the once compliant media this morning that almost matches the underlying anger of the pollies.
AJ also got caught out saying they had no other options under FWA, with both politicians and Melbourne Professor on Inside Business contradicting him.
On the timing there was also a game of words but what is abundantly clear is that once the shareholders endorsed them to the extent that they did, they interpreted this as the green light to do whatever they wanted. Not sure shareholders would actually agree on that one.
Perhaps LC and AJ have finally pushed the button too hard, lets hope so because this deserves to blow up in their faces and their arrogance despatched to far off places as fast as possible.
Lets also remind the remaining Board of the AMP stance with one of their CEO's as he was shown the door. "We know we are legally liable but if you want the obscene millions sue us and we will see who wins when you have totally destroyed the company". That CEO disappeared without a peep.
Sometimes Boards just have to have some balls in doing what is right and hopefully with Qantas it will be a completely new Board with not one remaining after this fiasco and hopefully some of them facing the prospect of a cell and their reputations in tatters.
There is a noticeable shift in the once compliant media this morning that almost matches the underlying anger of the pollies.
AJ also got caught out saying they had no other options under FWA, with both politicians and Melbourne Professor on Inside Business contradicting him.
On the timing there was also a game of words but what is abundantly clear is that once the shareholders endorsed them to the extent that they did, they interpreted this as the green light to do whatever they wanted. Not sure shareholders would actually agree on that one.
Perhaps LC and AJ have finally pushed the button too hard, lets hope so because this deserves to blow up in their faces and their arrogance despatched to far off places as fast as possible.
Lets also remind the remaining Board of the AMP stance with one of their CEO's as he was shown the door. "We know we are legally liable but if you want the obscene millions sue us and we will see who wins when you have totally destroyed the company". That CEO disappeared without a peep.
Sometimes Boards just have to have some balls in doing what is right and hopefully with Qantas it will be a completely new Board with not one remaining after this fiasco and hopefully some of them facing the prospect of a cell and their reputations in tatters.
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Just received my lockout notice - thanks Lyle!!!
Rostered to start @1900 tomorrow. If I start work at that time, do I get "escorted" out an hour later?
Will they "escort" the rest of the guys as well?
Rostered to start @1900 tomorrow. If I start work at that time, do I get "escorted" out an hour later?
Will they "escort" the rest of the guys as well?
This morning Joyce is saying that unless ALL protected industrial action gets terminated by FWA, they will leave the aircraft on the ground. He says temporary suspensions of the IA will most probably not get the aircraft back in the air.
He is holding a gun to Qantas' head and blackmailing the federal government.
The only issue FWA have to decide is if a complete airline lockout with zero notice (yet preplanned two weeks before the AGM) is appropriate action compared to wearing red ties and making some PAs.
FWA MUST find this to be a gross overstep by Qantas and immediately reinstate operations.
I can not believe the arrogance of Alan Joyce ... telling the federal government he will continue to ground the airline unless ALL action is immediately terminated.
He should be jailed for blackmailing the government.
He is holding a gun to Qantas' head and blackmailing the federal government.
The only issue FWA have to decide is if a complete airline lockout with zero notice (yet preplanned two weeks before the AGM) is appropriate action compared to wearing red ties and making some PAs.
FWA MUST find this to be a gross overstep by Qantas and immediately reinstate operations.
I can not believe the arrogance of Alan Joyce ... telling the federal government he will continue to ground the airline unless ALL action is immediately terminated.
He should be jailed for blackmailing the government.
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Unions have not caved at all. Government is calling for termination and unions are fighting hard for suspension, which is the best they can hope for. One thing is for sure, either one or the other will be the outcome today.
Given the governments position on Qantas actions and the fact that Sheldon is a heavy hitter in the ALP, i wouldn't mind betting that Joyce may get a bit of a touch up from FWA if it gets to arbitration.
Given the governments position on Qantas actions and the fact that Sheldon is a heavy hitter in the ALP, i wouldn't mind betting that Joyce may get a bit of a touch up from FWA if it gets to arbitration.
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Qantas today announced that, from 8pm AEDT on Monday 31 October 2011, it will lock out all employees who will be covered by the industrial agreements currently being negotiated with the Australian Licenced Engineers Union (ALAEA), the Transport Workers Union (TWU) and the Australian and International Pilots Union (AIPA)
Just appeared on ABC, re QANTAS, trust and reputation
Grounding eroding Qantas' reputation
By business editor Peter Ryan – analysis
Updated October 30, 2011 11:02:47
PHOTO: Qantas' reputation was built up over decades and could be lost in just one day.
(Mick Tsikas: AAP)
Alan Joyce's decision to ground the entire Qantas fleet is already costing the airline tens of millions of dollars but the reputational and brand damage is much greater.
Trust, certainty and confidence in Qantas has been eroded on all levels and the only unified support appears to be from the Qantas board which signed off on the extraordinary action yesterday morning.
The dramatic escalation prompted anger from Transport Minister Anthony Albanese about a lack of consultation before the grounding was announced, fuelling the perception that the decision was premeditated.
But the depth of the crisis was summed up by Prime Minister Julia Gillard who said the new flashpoint had "implications for the national economy".
"Implications" could well be an understatement by a Prime Minister remaining calm under immense pressure.
AUDIO: Alan Joyce speaks with business editor Peter Ryan (AM)
On its own, the prospect of Qantas in accelerating revenue decline has the potential to slice into economic growth at a time when state and territory economies are operating at multiple speeds.
But consider the potential impact on tourism (already struggling from a high Australian dollar), and the reluctance of visitors and travelling Australians to consider Qantas as a reliable carrier.
Qantas says domestic travellers are switching to competitors like Virgin Australia, accounting for a 20 per cent decline in revenue.
Virgin has jumped on the escalation, ensuring it does not waste a crisis.
The impact, however, could go much deeper.
Consider the hotel bookings being cancelled or rescheduled. Will this add uncertainty for casual or part time staff who rely on hospitality for their livelihoods?
Retailers and cafes based at major Qantas terminals had plenty of bumped customers late yesterday.
But the demand for lattes, muffins and toasted sandwiches is about to disappear with flights grounded and booked passengers told not to turn up.
Taxis, car hire, buses – even the supervisor at the taxi rank – will see the reason for operating at Qantas terminals disappearing.
The list goes on.
Then there is increasing scrutiny of Mr Joyce's $5 million pay deal approved by shareholders on Friday.
Even with a 71 per cent increase, Mr Joyce is a discount chief executive compared the $10 million his successor Geoff Dixon received in his final year.
But taking a significant pay increase while asking unions to compromise and to trade in traditional terms and conditions is raising the cynicism stakes with the government and general community.
Qantas, until now, was an iconic global brand known for safety, reliability, and above all trust.
But as the saying goes, a reputation is built up over decades and lost in a day.
That day has arrived and regardless of any breakthrough, Qantas for many is now just another airline trying to survive in a globalised world.
By business editor Peter Ryan – analysis
Updated October 30, 2011 11:02:47
PHOTO: Qantas' reputation was built up over decades and could be lost in just one day.
(Mick Tsikas: AAP)
Alan Joyce's decision to ground the entire Qantas fleet is already costing the airline tens of millions of dollars but the reputational and brand damage is much greater.
Trust, certainty and confidence in Qantas has been eroded on all levels and the only unified support appears to be from the Qantas board which signed off on the extraordinary action yesterday morning.
The dramatic escalation prompted anger from Transport Minister Anthony Albanese about a lack of consultation before the grounding was announced, fuelling the perception that the decision was premeditated.
But the depth of the crisis was summed up by Prime Minister Julia Gillard who said the new flashpoint had "implications for the national economy".
"Implications" could well be an understatement by a Prime Minister remaining calm under immense pressure.
AUDIO: Alan Joyce speaks with business editor Peter Ryan (AM)
On its own, the prospect of Qantas in accelerating revenue decline has the potential to slice into economic growth at a time when state and territory economies are operating at multiple speeds.
But consider the potential impact on tourism (already struggling from a high Australian dollar), and the reluctance of visitors and travelling Australians to consider Qantas as a reliable carrier.
Qantas says domestic travellers are switching to competitors like Virgin Australia, accounting for a 20 per cent decline in revenue.
Virgin has jumped on the escalation, ensuring it does not waste a crisis.
The impact, however, could go much deeper.
Consider the hotel bookings being cancelled or rescheduled. Will this add uncertainty for casual or part time staff who rely on hospitality for their livelihoods?
Retailers and cafes based at major Qantas terminals had plenty of bumped customers late yesterday.
But the demand for lattes, muffins and toasted sandwiches is about to disappear with flights grounded and booked passengers told not to turn up.
Taxis, car hire, buses – even the supervisor at the taxi rank – will see the reason for operating at Qantas terminals disappearing.
The list goes on.
Then there is increasing scrutiny of Mr Joyce's $5 million pay deal approved by shareholders on Friday.
Even with a 71 per cent increase, Mr Joyce is a discount chief executive compared the $10 million his successor Geoff Dixon received in his final year.
But taking a significant pay increase while asking unions to compromise and to trade in traditional terms and conditions is raising the cynicism stakes with the government and general community.
Qantas, until now, was an iconic global brand known for safety, reliability, and above all trust.
But as the saying goes, a reputation is built up over decades and lost in a day.
That day has arrived and regardless of any breakthrough, Qantas for many is now just another airline trying to survive in a globalised world.
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Wonder how the institutional shareholders will feel on Monday morning when they watch the share price in free fall, after having voted up the resolutions at the AGM only the day before this debacle started.
Either QF had given them no prior notice this was going to happen, which would be seen as a great big 'f##k you' by the big shareholders
or
QF had briefed them beforehand, which means that the rest of the shareholders voted at the AGM without having critical information disclosed to them.
Which one was it? Either way, Alan's buggered.
Either QF had given them no prior notice this was going to happen, which would be seen as a great big 'f##k you' by the big shareholders
or
QF had briefed them beforehand, which means that the rest of the shareholders voted at the AGM without having critical information disclosed to them.
Which one was it? Either way, Alan's buggered.