MERGED: Qantas grounded effective immediately.

[ABAT4t2]

and artificial horizon, I assume following your comments you are on the union inside?

Go away you fool

[Short_Circuit]

So how much less do Virgin Australia pilots/engineers and ground staff get paid compared to QF? or indeed are they on the same money?

A Virgin or Jetstar engineer actually earm more that at QF,

[Slippery_Pete]

The Qantas strategy all along has been to blackmail the government into a termination.

They are now crapping on that a suspension poses safety risks, whereas a termination has no safety consequences.

ARE THEY SERIOUS? WHICH ONE OF THOSE IS MOST LIKELY TO PISS OFF STAFF?

Are CASA buying this?

[PPRuNeUser0161]

Pass A Frozzo
Could not have said it better myself!

[Pass-A-Frozzo]

Joyce should have warned shareholders at the AGM

It's contingency planning. Quite standard in business.

However let's not now pretend that Unions exists for the benefit of shareholders, we all know that isn't the case.

From Fair Work Australia - Minister is seeking an order terminating all industrial action with a 2 month suspension in the alternative.

[bonvol]

Govt wants termination. Joyce wants termination. Be a miracle if FWA dont terminate given who runs the place.

[ejectx3]

Pilots qf vs virgin 737 about equal

[MACH082]

Now we know why Qantas grounded all flying due to the volcanic ash while everyone else flew......

Practice

[soseg]

[1a sound asleep]

You need to get these QF planes back in the sky. Other international carriers are ramping up their ops to carry QF pax. Its happening with every airline operating into Australia. There are in excess of 30 planes from various sources ready to arrive in Australia for domestic ops.

If QF isnt flying fast there will be no market left for Qantas. This is what the board want in the insane moment. Forget any claims, be glad you have a job and just go back to work. If you dont you are merely playing into QF's hands.

Friday you had a job. Today you dont. You can turn back time by merely withdrawing all claims. This makes the workers a winner as they still have their jobs. Fight on and there will be nothing

There is no point fighting to the death. Turn back now before it's too late

[PPRuNeUser0161]

OK so if they terminate the action what's the next move??

SN

[b737800capt06]

AJ Grounded QF

Lets all remember that AJ grounded QF NOT the Unions

[1a sound asleep]

OK so if they terminate the action what's the next move??

Qantas is then running out of options. They cant claim mass redundancy. All they can do is rely on natural attrition.

In time they will transfer more ops to JQ. WE know this. So what? If you have a QF job now make the most of it and be grateful for the time you have left. Save what you can and enjoy a happy retirement when it comes. The option is the dole

Further if the markets pick up, union action in another year or two is an entirely new claim. For now just save your job

Dont let a union destroy the job you have loved for so many years

[schlong hauler]

Qantas playing the safety card while insisting I carry min fuel everywhere is a bit rich. The last 18 months has been a distraction yet and In spite of some very serious incidences, pilots have managed and conducted their operation with discipline and professionalism. Management calling us Kamikazees and then worrying about safety! ****off.

[b737800capt06]

OK so if they terminate the action the next move??

OK so if they terminate the action what's the next move??

Employees are required to work, stop all industrial action or face termination and fines/penalties - Unions and Union officials are also subject massive penalties if they breach an FWA order.

[Pass-A-Frozzo]

OK so if they terminate the action what's the next move??

Qantas is then running out of options.

How's that? The union can't take industrial action. What option do they need?

You realise that 'terminate the action' effects both sides. The day 'action' is allowed again and any union announces further 'action' , QF can lock you all out again.

It's really not a time for anyone to be 'gloating'. In fact I think it shows that some union members believe it's a 'game' to be 'played'. It's not a game. The dispute which started with unionists take strike action [however you wish to dress it up, that's what it was] is costing countless numbers of businesses money. It's not a game.

This isn't a game. I think that many union members, facing the prospect of not being paid, have realised the stakes. It's just a shame that many thought it a game when it was others [company, shareholders, suppliers etc] were the ones copping the financial penalty.

[Bankstown Boy]

Unfortunately I fear that 1A is dead right. I think that AJ's thought is that he can't lose. Either the PIA's are terminated and he wins, or he "loses" the FWA case but keeps QF grounded - replacing capacity with Jetstar.

I think that we all pretty much agree that has been his long term goal anyway - so what if he loses 25% of the corporate market, he'll operate a v large lcc.

[1a sound asleep]

If the planes are back flying AJ has lost. He would rather the planes remain grounded to the point of financial desperation. Then remove another 40 planes from QF service and then sack/make redundant 3000 employees. Transfer the 40 planes to JQ and away we go again. Those that want a job may beg to JQ.
Please dont fall into his hands

[Baileys]

You start looking for a new job - do it before everyone else. Qantas is walking dead now regardless of what the outcome is. Look after number one and start applying for position tomorrow...or today.

Who would want to continue working for such a pack of pricks anyway.

Good luck all.

[Pass-A-Frozzo]

Originally Posted by 1a sound asleep

If the planes are back flying AJ has lost.

Actually that's precisely what he is after. The aircraft back flying without the ability of the union to stop it. Surely you can see that?