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Old 30th Oct 2011, 02:48
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unions have won this hands down now. watch and learn you doom and gloom mercenarys
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 02:55
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The Trade Practices Act may well offer the best hope of bringing the actions of management to account with regard to restrictions of trade and utilising monopoly positions for Corporate advantage.

Fair Work Australia will never delve deep enough.

The Australian Government will never delve deep enough.

Journalists will just regurgitate Qantas Press releases.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 02:59
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This is revenge against the 2007/8 engineers dispute.

Plain and simple.

They have got in first. Pretty gutsy move but it's blowing up in their face.

I reckon there is going to be a few URIs going around when the airline gets going again.....
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 03:00
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The world is changing, judging by the "Arab Spring" and "Occupy Wall street" it may not be changing quite the way dinosaurs like Clifford think!

Whether or not Qantas is stuffed, there may be managers put up against the wall yet!
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 03:06
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So , management have been negotiating in good faith all this Time.........

What a toxic work place we will have if this dispute ever gets sorted out.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 03:09
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The fact that they've planned this in advance and not mention a word of it during the AGM is blatantly illegal.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 03:11
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This perhaps, has been one of the best kept secrets ever, as it would have taken at least 100+ people, including those not working for Qantas, and even institutional investors to keep their mouth shut.

Too bad no one spilt the beans during the AGM.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 03:11
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Hey OneTrack,

3. This move is their "blitzkreig", while you all sit around and wave pieces of paper, like Neville Chamberlain.
You would be right there. But I reckon it is also the start of AJ's Operation Barbarossa. And we all know how that ended.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 03:20
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On ABC news reporting that Jetstar sent out an memo to crew advising them that ops normal at J* but it was dated Wed 26th Oct...

J* claim it was an error, they took the last memo they sent and deleted the content, added the new content but missed the date...
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 03:22
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I understand the company has begun serving writs against individual pilots. A fellow B767 captain just had his door knocked on.

Might be a good afternoon not to answer the front door me thinks.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 03:23
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Go back and re-read onetracks (excellent) insider post. I have been saying it for well over 6 months, that the intention of management has been to destroy Qantas to justify its own destruction (Qantas Doing it Tough post #19).

I have also demonstrated in Globalisation debt &banking the methods the elite has used to implement & conduct the undeclared war against the 99%, the aim of which is to return to a neo-feudalism with two classes in society - the ultra wealthy & the serf class. In effect a modern amalgam of fascism & communism. Globalisation was sold to the masses to give them cheap imports, but in the elites minds, it was to a way to import third world working conditions to the west. You need look no further than the US & Europe to see how that ends.

Qantas employees are now finding themselves at the sharp end of the spear.

Sunfish's observation about a new private equity bid would also be my best guess as to motive behind what is going on. In many ways the industrial action is a way to divert attention. Watch the magicians other hand.

There is nothing new under the sun, this is just another shell game. History is littered with examples of the already obscenely wealthy destroying the people around them for profit & pleasure. The people running this organisation are no exception.

War is being waged against you.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 03:24
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Current ABC coverage is OVERWHELMINGLY of the opinion that the action was pre-planned, and that Alan Joyce is lying about when the decision to ground the airline was made.

He also did not deny that the grounding had been considered before the AGM when asked exactly that.

They also have a copy of a Jetstar crew notice (provided by AIPA) discussing the shutdown - which was supposedly written on Wed 26/10/11! Jetstar claim it was a cut and paste job of an old notice, causing the date error. Nice try

Alan Joyce, this is the beginning of the end for you.

Hopefully when the board sack you, you won't have enough money to fix your teeth ----->
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 03:24
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Too many 'spokesmen' telling too many lies....it was only a matter of time before they slipped up!

Nice one BB!!
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 03:24
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OhSpareMe - There is no comparison to this move by Joyce, and Hitler error with Operation Barbarossa. Hitler split his forces and weakened his entire operation with Barbarossa.
AJ and LC have done nothing like that with the grounding move - but they have set in train, the precise events they wanted to have in place.
Employees unbalanced by shock tactics, worrying more now about how they'll meet the mortgage and put food on the table in the next few weeks - politicians scurrying to cave in to corporate demands, before they too, lose their arses in the fallout - and in the meantime, the board have their next move carefully mapped out, as the results of their current move produce exactly the conditions they sought.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 03:46
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Too many people here are displaying their ignorance on planning matters. It is obvious that Qantas would have investigated any number of various scenarios leading up to the grounding of the fleet. To anyone familiar with planning processes,it would also be obvious that the timing of the decision taken by Qantas is as stated by the CEO.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 03:47
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The hearing coming up at FWA will be presided over by the President Justice Giudice, who I believe has just resigned from FWA.

Those from the unmentionable year will well remember him when he was an up and comer as Abeles QC.
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Can you shed more light on the writs being handed out to the 767 pilot/s?
Thanks
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 03:53
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Individual writs again? Same old tactics as in 89.
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Old 30th Oct 2011, 03:57
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Dear QF passeners,
you are the real victims
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bonvol: Fair Work president quits
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