MERGED: Qantas grounded effective immediately.
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Toxic Workplace
Toxic Workplace is an understatement!! If QF survives this, with Joyce at the helm no one is going to stretch themselves to get the job done. "To hard, ground the Aircraft" or "Someone else can sort this out" will be the call. I can see it now!
They do not want QF to survive! It is business suicide to make a move like this. As someone said before, these guys are ruthless, this was a planned move and was done with precicion. No one in their right mind in any business would make such a move if they intended the business to conyinue in the same vane. You reckon they did it just to stuff around the LAME's, Pilot's and TWU? Not likely! They know exactly what they are doing. Dropped a bomb!! We are mere Pawns in their game and we got in the way.
Very sad days for people who actually give a shit and were proud of their Proffessions and Qantas!!!!!
They do not want QF to survive! It is business suicide to make a move like this. As someone said before, these guys are ruthless, this was a planned move and was done with precicion. No one in their right mind in any business would make such a move if they intended the business to conyinue in the same vane. You reckon they did it just to stuff around the LAME's, Pilot's and TWU? Not likely! They know exactly what they are doing. Dropped a bomb!! We are mere Pawns in their game and we got in the way.
Very sad days for people who actually give a shit and were proud of their Proffessions and Qantas!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Mr.Buzzy
Which part of 500 million was not viable?
QANTAS Return on Equity: 4.14%
Commonwealth Bank NetSaver account: 4.75%
Let's not pretend that QANTAS is a star performer.
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Originally Posted by allthecoolnamesarego
Can you shed more light on the writs being handed out to the 767 pilot/s?
Thanks
Thanks
Nice graph Pass O. When did Geoff Dixon takeover?
It's marvellous what indefinite cost cutting, staff engagement levels, wrong aircraft, ever diminishing route structure achieves.
The current board have no solutions to the dive you kindly illustrated.
It's marvellous what indefinite cost cutting, staff engagement levels, wrong aircraft, ever diminishing route structure achieves.
The current board have no solutions to the dive you kindly illustrated.
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For those that missed it, Alan Joyce on The Bolt Report this morning [will be broadcast on 10 at 4:30pm too]
The Bolt Report - YouTube
The Bolt Report - YouTube
Nunc est bibendum
I suspect they're not 'issuing writs' per se- at least not in the '89 context. All industrial action is 'protected' and we can't be sacked for it or held liable for damages as it's legal IA.
That said, crew who may have been required to turn up for work tomorrow or the next day may in fact be getting letters informing them that they're not required. That IS a legal requirement for Qantas. Our email inboxes indicate that a letter has been forwarded to our addresses on file with Qantas.
We'll see what happens from here.
That said, crew who may have been required to turn up for work tomorrow or the next day may in fact be getting letters informing them that they're not required. That IS a legal requirement for Qantas. Our email inboxes indicate that a letter has been forwarded to our addresses on file with Qantas.
We'll see what happens from here.
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I believe under the Fair Work act they are required to notify each employee in writing
[that they are locked out]. I'm sure someone else can confirm / deny that.
Correct, I just received mine by courier.
[that they are locked out]. I'm sure someone else can confirm / deny that.
Correct, I just received mine by courier.
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From Fair Work Australia hearing - Apparently CASA sent a letter to QF concerned how union strikes would effect safety.
Also, the QF board considered a lockout with only 3 hours notice.
Also, the QF board considered a lockout with only 3 hours notice.
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1. Under the FW Act how can QF lock out staff that are not engaged in PIA such as the short haul pilots?
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In general a commercial investment is measured by its return on outlay. Standard minimum for basic viability is regarded as 10%. QF is under 5% return for the shareholders. If this outfit cannot pull 1.1B PA NETT its not worth the effort.
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Well done to the Unions, by taking very small, reasonable and measured action against QANTAS.
You have been able coax AJ into making, what is in my opinion, a completely unmeasured, unreasonable and non intelligent response that is far out of proportion to the actions of the Unions. The Government and the general public are seeing red and will not forget AJ's actions.
The traveling public have seen AJ and the board for what they are...........
Stand united, they can not beat you.
Even if the PIA is terminated, you are not obliged to do overtime or save fuel or accept aircraft with defects.....................
Good hunting !!!.
Do not forget this little gem: The Union Pilot
You have been able coax AJ into making, what is in my opinion, a completely unmeasured, unreasonable and non intelligent response that is far out of proportion to the actions of the Unions. The Government and the general public are seeing red and will not forget AJ's actions.
The traveling public have seen AJ and the board for what they are...........
Stand united, they can not beat you.
Even if the PIA is terminated, you are not obliged to do overtime or save fuel or accept aircraft with defects.....................
Good hunting !!!.
Do not forget this little gem: The Union Pilot
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At Fair Work Australia - QANTAS is arguing that if they performed the lockout [without an immediate shutdown] with plenty of notice, it would effect safety.
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Guys, my symapthy to those locked out...went through it with Ansett NZ in 1999...we lasted 6 weeks then caved in and accepted the 3rd reduced contract the company was peddling. The airline was never the same again and finally turned up it's toes in 2001.
The problem is that Qantas will now have all it's passengers and valuable corporate customers looking for other options. And once they have gone, they won't be coming back. If Qantas continues, it will be at a much reduced size and with a much reduced workforce.
I don't know about the Australian Industrial laws, but I expect the locked-out employees to be offered a contract sooner or later on a take-it-or-leave-it basis. There with be backstabbings and scabbings but in the end there will be those with jobs and those without. Those with jobs will have their conditions and pay reduced, but the airline will never again be a happy place to work, or a source of pride to employees. You will realise what I now know...the company doesn't give a single iota of consideration to your pride, loyalty or even your professionalism. You are nothing more than a resource to them, and a debit to their bottom line. If they could run the company without you, they would.
My advice therefore, is to swallow your pride, take what they offer, and get back to what will effectively be "paid job-search". You will never get back what you had. A line has been crossed, and unfortunately for you, there is no going back. There are no "jobs for life" anymore, so look for the best option for you and your family, and grab it now. The longer you wait, the fewer options there will be.
This is a serious step to take, and not easy given the "sheltered past" many have had in Qantas. Unfortunately there are not many options. If you fight, there is no winning, because "the company" has nothing more to lose. They have already put everything on the line, and whatever happens, the airline can never be the same again.
Everyone thought it would never happen, but it has.
RIP Qantas.
The problem is that Qantas will now have all it's passengers and valuable corporate customers looking for other options. And once they have gone, they won't be coming back. If Qantas continues, it will be at a much reduced size and with a much reduced workforce.
I don't know about the Australian Industrial laws, but I expect the locked-out employees to be offered a contract sooner or later on a take-it-or-leave-it basis. There with be backstabbings and scabbings but in the end there will be those with jobs and those without. Those with jobs will have their conditions and pay reduced, but the airline will never again be a happy place to work, or a source of pride to employees. You will realise what I now know...the company doesn't give a single iota of consideration to your pride, loyalty or even your professionalism. You are nothing more than a resource to them, and a debit to their bottom line. If they could run the company without you, they would.
My advice therefore, is to swallow your pride, take what they offer, and get back to what will effectively be "paid job-search". You will never get back what you had. A line has been crossed, and unfortunately for you, there is no going back. There are no "jobs for life" anymore, so look for the best option for you and your family, and grab it now. The longer you wait, the fewer options there will be.
This is a serious step to take, and not easy given the "sheltered past" many have had in Qantas. Unfortunately there are not many options. If you fight, there is no winning, because "the company" has nothing more to lose. They have already put everything on the line, and whatever happens, the airline can never be the same again.
Everyone thought it would never happen, but it has.
RIP Qantas.
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The graph and the comments about Qantas' poor financial performance reflect nothing less than a paucity of management ability. The lockout demonstrates this paucity, even more so.
These board members are supposed to be the best that the corporate world can produce, in terms of superb management ability. We are constantly reminded, that, "paying peanuts only gets you monkeys".
Once again, as this current scenario proves - you can pay huge dollars, and still get monkeys.
These board members are supposed to be the best that the corporate world can produce, in terms of superb management ability. We are constantly reminded, that, "paying peanuts only gets you monkeys".
Once again, as this current scenario proves - you can pay huge dollars, and still get monkeys.
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Q: risk assessment by #Qantas completed on 18 Oct. That assessment suggested a lockout with 3. So the lockout was in plan prior to AGM
Look forward to ASX "Please explain" tomorrow
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Originally Posted by Soup Nazi
In general a commercial investment is measured by its return on outlay. Standard minimum for basic viability is regarded as 10%. QF is under 5% return for the shareholders. If this outfit cannot pull 1.1B PA NETT its not worth the effort.
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Look forward to ASX "Please explain" tomorrow
Won't be an issue. Contingency planning is what responsible management does. I believe the board only voted on the action on Saturday.
#Qantas making out argument that the pilot action (and others) were posing safety threats (fatigue) and thus had to be stopped via lockout
...by wearing red ties and making PA's?
...by wearing red ties and making PA's?
