Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
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We only met for 2 hours today. Lot of figure comparisons and talk about lost customer handling income. Full day meeting tomorrow, I should put out a you-tube update next week.
poor what a load of tish.
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Alan Joyce and Chris Nassenstein were at the Sydney Jet base today talking to the engineers, Just a meet and greet but it went down well got polite applause, could not make it myself to busy, but all good
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The word was that AJ & CN may be a little worried about the exodus to VB when the new hangar is up and running. You would think that perhaps they could show a little good faith with our current EBA negotiations to gain a little common ground before the PIA begins.
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Just saw the latest utube.
I believe PIA is the only way forward. Not just for securing an acceptable EBA, but to also break this rotten mindset that has plagued or company for many years.
Bring on the ballot.
I believe PIA is the only way forward. Not just for securing an acceptable EBA, but to also break this rotten mindset that has plagued or company for many years.
Bring on the ballot.
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There is no I in Team!, Super, I guess that is why you now live in a office cubicle on your own.
Fed Sec, did the Company put any offer on the table or was it all talk?
"Money talks and Bulls&*t walks", If the company keeps talking Bulls*&t, then we are ready to walk behind you.
Fed Sec, did the Company put any offer on the table or was it all talk?
"Money talks and Bulls&*t walks", If the company keeps talking Bulls*&t, then we are ready to walk behind you.
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Just remember that MEA. I know only too well there is no I in team. I have seen too many people in QF who have their own agendas and push them for their own advancement and those who they hold dearly.
I, like you am part of the bigger picture and am happy to be part of a strong union, but it p1sses me off when a minority figure beats their chest and makes everyone else go along with it. As I said, I have seen it before and there are some doing it again.
I, like you am part of the bigger picture and am happy to be part of a strong union, but it p1sses me off when a minority figure beats their chest and makes everyone else go along with it. As I said, I have seen it before and there are some doing it again.
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Just to clarify Steve. With the proposed point in lieu of training per year:
If someone goes 4yrs without training, they'll accumulate 4 training points in lieu (on top of their service points). If they then get trained they will have already got the points so no extra.
If they were trained before accumulating any points in lieu, they would get 4 training points straight up and no more training points for the next 4 years (except service points).
Correct me if I'm wrong...
If someone goes 4yrs without training, they'll accumulate 4 training points in lieu (on top of their service points). If they then get trained they will have already got the points so no extra.
If they were trained before accumulating any points in lieu, they would get 4 training points straight up and no more training points for the next 4 years (except service points).
Correct me if I'm wrong...
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I take it that from now on you get your points each year and if and when you get trained you get none. Who will get more training than points that they accrue. Most of us have not been trained for almost 10 years now.
I take it that from now on you get your points each year and if and when you get trained you get none. Who will get more training than points that they accrue. Most of us have not been trained for almost 10 years now.
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Getting no points for my next licence is fine by me IF I've already accrued the extra points IN LIEU of that training.
Getting no points straight up for an additional licence and instead waiting to be drip fed those training points 1 per year doesn't sound like a forward step to me.
Especially if the extra training point in lieu per year is only for the life of the EA.
A bit more elaboration on what was said in the last youtube is needed I think Fed Sec.
Getting no points straight up for an additional licence and instead waiting to be drip fed those training points 1 per year doesn't sound like a forward step to me.
Especially if the extra training point in lieu per year is only for the life of the EA.
A bit more elaboration on what was said in the last youtube is needed I think Fed Sec.
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Good questions guys and a lot of thought has gone into this one.
Our proposal was that we get the additional point every year in lieu of training payments and it goes on forever not just the life of the EA.
That being said, most courses are worth 4 points (I know about the 330 and 380 but just park them for this exercise). If you do a course every 4 years on average, you will get 4 points each 4 year period, obviously 1 per year. Under our proposal you would just get these points automatically.
This system clearly will not benefit the queue jumpers who expect to be able to trump all others with a course every second year. Those LAMEs are few and far between anyway (the ones who succeed that is).
Qantas have advised us that the average time between courses for the average LAME is 6 years. If you are getting paid regardless of whether you train or not, it should encourage the company to undertake more training because they are paying for it anyway.
In the past it has not been uncommon for LAMEs nearing retirement age to get themselves on training to bump up the final salary. They would not need to now and the training will be more likely to go to those with many years left.
The non type payment also whacks a huge chunk off the calculations for other operator work with it becoming more attractive to in source work.
The are many transitional issues that I can't explain briefly here such as integration of B1 and B2 payments and dealing with the 380. Our first job has been trying to sell them on the concept as it has benefits for all involved.
cheers
Steve
Our proposal was that we get the additional point every year in lieu of training payments and it goes on forever not just the life of the EA.
That being said, most courses are worth 4 points (I know about the 330 and 380 but just park them for this exercise). If you do a course every 4 years on average, you will get 4 points each 4 year period, obviously 1 per year. Under our proposal you would just get these points automatically.
This system clearly will not benefit the queue jumpers who expect to be able to trump all others with a course every second year. Those LAMEs are few and far between anyway (the ones who succeed that is).
Qantas have advised us that the average time between courses for the average LAME is 6 years. If you are getting paid regardless of whether you train or not, it should encourage the company to undertake more training because they are paying for it anyway.
In the past it has not been uncommon for LAMEs nearing retirement age to get themselves on training to bump up the final salary. They would not need to now and the training will be more likely to go to those with many years left.
The non type payment also whacks a huge chunk off the calculations for other operator work with it becoming more attractive to in source work.
The are many transitional issues that I can't explain briefly here such as integration of B1 and B2 payments and dealing with the 380. Our first job has been trying to sell them on the concept as it has benefits for all involved.
cheers
Steve
Thanks for the update Steve. I am looking forward to more detail around the 1 service point + 1 training point per year concept. Initially, it sounds good. Will advance people up the scale quicker. Will encourage loyalty. Will help out members in facilities that only work on one or two types. Only concern I can see would be for guys that gain a rating within two years from effective date of EA. As I understand it, they would stand to lose out, albeit briefly (considering the length of an average LAME career with QF). Other than that, looks great. Any other views?
PS: couldnt give a flying dugong about the state of Steve's hair, facial or otherwise. Am more concerned about the state of the EA negotiations.
Keep up the good work exec.
PS: couldnt give a flying dugong about the state of Steve's hair, facial or otherwise. Am more concerned about the state of the EA negotiations.
Keep up the good work exec.
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My hair was pretty much the same as any day in the last few years.
As for shaving, well that is a problem atm. Had my right hand surgically reconstructed a cuppla weeks ago and there are lots of things I can't do as it is still recovering. Situation so bad that I had to get Paul Cousins to cut up my dinner three nights ago.
Some crankers look for anything to pick on but you know what they say on the course. Drive for show and putt for dough.
As for shaving, well that is a problem atm. Had my right hand surgically reconstructed a cuppla weeks ago and there are lots of things I can't do as it is still recovering. Situation so bad that I had to get Paul Cousins to cut up my dinner three nights ago.
Some crankers look for anything to pick on but you know what they say on the course. Drive for show and putt for dough.
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Had my right hand surgically reconstructed a cuppla weeks ago and there are lots of things I can't do as it is still recovering.