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I for one think enough is enough. The government need to step in. Deport the problem back to Ireland.
Good idea..........
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They're all coming out of the wood work
The West Australian:'Qantas row close to hurting economy: Abetz'
Qantas row close to hurting economy: Abetz - The West Australian
The West Australian:'Qantas row close to hurting economy: Abetz'
Qantas row close to hurting economy: Abetz - The West Australian
Senator Abetz received, and declared, an upgrade from premium economy to Business class 28 June - 10 July SYD - LAX and return by Qantas.
Good little investment, that.
Good little investment, that.
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Also the nurses and firefighters disputes are not being played out on the front page of the paper every second day, so the "public"
FWA provides that the government can step in in the national interest. When that test is satisfied, is only known to them.
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Incorrect. Nurses and firefighters come under the State industrial system and therefore are not subject to FWA (aka Julia's system for industrial chaos). That is why the bus drivers were able to wildcat strike last week in Sydney with impunity. That wasn't and didn't need to be PIA.
FWA provides that the government can step in in the national interest. When that test is satisfied, is only known to them.
FWA provides that the government can step in in the national interest. When that test is satisfied, is only known to them.
I am aware that the Fair Work system doesn't cover these disputes, but regardless of whether something falls within the State or Commonwealth IR systems, it doesn't stop politicians of all flavours (and levels) making noise about it and showing "concern".
For example back when Oprah came to Sydney, the MUA was "threatening" action on the ferries (another NSW IR system covered workforce). That didn't stop Gillard and Evans and a couple of others getting excited and making public noise. If it's "important enough" (ie in the news and people talking about) then they will "get involved". I'm not talking about intervention under the Fair Work Act, just being out there, talking about it.
Government intervention can take many forms both legal and non-legal.
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Farming out was Qantas option
Farming out was Qantas option
I would say that going by this advert today there is no was they are .
ALG is currently seeking expressions of interest for a variety of roles at Melbourne Airport
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I would say that going by this advert today there is no was they are .
ALG is currently seeking expressions of interest for a variety of roles at Melbourne Airport
roles may include
- Baggage Handling
- Customer Service
- Cleaning
- Aircraft workers
We place the right candidates in the right jobs — Aviation Labour Group
Essental polling reveals Qantas is losing the public confidence battle | News.com.au
So there it is, probably the most balanced thing to come on news.com.au that fact that it's independent of spin and proof that not everyone in this country is defined by what they are forced to read as what passes as 'news' in this country.
Just remember when you're reading the comments section, the editors or the website are the ones deciding which comments get posted, don't take it as a sample of the community, take it as the angle news ltd are trying to portray for each story.
Polling figures released today reveal almost three-quarters of voters believe Qantas CEO Alan Joyce is over-paid.
Qantas was most to blame according to 36 per cent of those polled, compared to 13 per cent who blamed the workers. However, 37 per cent admitted both were to blame.
Just over 60 per cent of those polled agreed the Qantas reputation was being damaged by plans to cut jobs and move some operations to Asia.
Labor voters in particular were critical of the airline but 56 per cent of Coalition voters also condemned management plans.
Just over 60 per cent of those polled agreed the Qantas reputation was being damaged by plans to cut jobs and move some operations to Asia.
Labor voters in particular were critical of the airline but 56 per cent of Coalition voters also condemned management plans.
Just remember when you're reading the comments section, the editors or the website are the ones deciding which comments get posted, don't take it as a sample of the community, take it as the angle news ltd are trying to portray for each story.
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Just remember when you're reading the comments section, the editors or the website are the ones deciding which comments get posted, don't take it as a sample of the community, take it as the angle news ltd are trying to portray for each story.
Weeks ago when they were just following the Qantas PR spin I submitted several very polite comments trying to tell the true story but they were never posted, now that they are reporting the whole thing more fairly there are more evenly balanced comments getting through too.
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A very clear, damning and unbiased message. The numbers speak for themselves.
I am sure that if it was run by a company sponsored party, it probably would have cost them 10 times as much, and produced the wrong results along with the wrong solutions.
Until we get back on track to what this airline was once about we are slowly headed down the gurgler.
I am sure that if it was run by a company sponsored party, it probably would have cost them 10 times as much, and produced the wrong results along with the wrong solutions.
Until we get back on track to what this airline was once about we are slowly headed down the gurgler.
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Light at the end of the Tunnel
Every decent industrial dispute needs a villain, but it seems Qantas CEO Alan Joyce's efforts to cast unions as corporate wreckers are backfiring badly.
Congratulations Fed Sec and team! It seems that the Aussie public are not mugs. They have voted, substance wins out over spin (and $10m).
Keep on doing what you are doing, the end-game is approaching.
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Keep on doing what you are doing, the end-game is approaching.
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Lets hope that it is:
1. GD does his (as in Rat Dollars) money.
2. AJ gets a one way trip back to Ireland.
3. BB goes to work in a blanket factory.
4. OW gets a job with a hairdresser
and the Rat goes back to the workers with some recognition that change may be required, but that it is based on commercial sense and not some throw of the dice against the odds.
1. GD does his (as in Rat Dollars) money.
2. AJ gets a one way trip back to Ireland.
3. BB goes to work in a blanket factory.
4. OW gets a job with a hairdresser
and the Rat goes back to the workers with some recognition that change may be required, but that it is based on commercial sense and not some throw of the dice against the odds.
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I have the perfect solution that AJ himself could not refuse,
Pay all LAMES, regardless of licenses & shift, the average $170K he said we earn, then we take a 5% pay cut at that rate. We will all be done and dusted EA signed off tomorrow before the AGM.
Pay all LAMES, regardless of licenses & shift, the average $170K he said we earn, then we take a 5% pay cut at that rate. We will all be done and dusted EA signed off tomorrow before the AGM.
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QANTAS losing the PR battle
I submit that one of the reasons QANTAS is doing so badly is the incidents they keep having which delay customers and make people nervous about flying!
How many engine shutdowns (flames or not) does it take before the travelling public start thinking something is rotten and look for alternative flights - not even for the fear of crashing but because of the potential inconvenience factor of it.
Surely the news that a QANTAS flight is not really going all the way (through Bangkok or HongKong) is not what Aussies want to hear.
When a 747 is at the absolute limit of its range (DFW-BNE-SYD) and has to sometimes leave passengers or luggage behind or divert, even when most of the passengers don't really want to go via BNE anyway - how dumb do you have to be to recognise that is not a good position to be in as a premium airline offering a supposedly superior service. If you were running this service, would you really start out loading the 'plane to "full" or would you build up towards the limit after experience? Duh!
Then, if the travelling public can see that your airline is pissing off its workers (not just one area, but nearly all areas of staff) to the degree that action will sometimes be taken which will cause delays and rescheduling, would this be the straw that breaks the camel's back to cause you to book an alternative airline for your coming trip?
If the fares on QANTAS are say ~25% greater than the competitor airlines (but you are in the frequent flyer programme and have always flown Q and the timetable suits and connections etc) and now the on-time performance is suffering and the engine incidents keep happening, are you now willing to pay that premium?
OneWorld, or e NoWorld?
How many engine shutdowns (flames or not) does it take before the travelling public start thinking something is rotten and look for alternative flights - not even for the fear of crashing but because of the potential inconvenience factor of it.
Surely the news that a QANTAS flight is not really going all the way (through Bangkok or HongKong) is not what Aussies want to hear.
When a 747 is at the absolute limit of its range (DFW-BNE-SYD) and has to sometimes leave passengers or luggage behind or divert, even when most of the passengers don't really want to go via BNE anyway - how dumb do you have to be to recognise that is not a good position to be in as a premium airline offering a supposedly superior service. If you were running this service, would you really start out loading the 'plane to "full" or would you build up towards the limit after experience? Duh!
Then, if the travelling public can see that your airline is pissing off its workers (not just one area, but nearly all areas of staff) to the degree that action will sometimes be taken which will cause delays and rescheduling, would this be the straw that breaks the camel's back to cause you to book an alternative airline for your coming trip?
If the fares on QANTAS are say ~25% greater than the competitor airlines (but you are in the frequent flyer programme and have always flown Q and the timetable suits and connections etc) and now the on-time performance is suffering and the engine incidents keep happening, are you now willing to pay that premium?
OneWorld, or e NoWorld?
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Well said LandIT, I know we`ve all been saying that but? It`s the same issue`s that upset people. I talked to a 30 something Aussie girl who is married to an American, the other day. She said `she always flew QF out of Aust loyalty back to USA` she is now looking else where due to everything going. I explained the employee`s perspective & consequently she was in disbelief.
I also talked to a Frequent Flyer member with over a million points today, same story. Not happy! Trying to use his points was all too hard. He said he wanted to use them & move elsewhere. Something has got to change!
I also talked to a Frequent Flyer member with over a million points today, same story. Not happy! Trying to use his points was all too hard. He said he wanted to use them & move elsewhere. Something has got to change!
The same characters who were behind the APA bid appear to still be bent on acquiring Qantas.
The thinking seems to be that if the shareholders can't be bought out (the APA bid), then perhaps they can be driven out by a collapsing share price and a perceived to be risky corporate strategy coupled with so called industrial mayhem and the claims of "unsustainability".
They seem to believe that "perceptions are everything" - a marketing point of view, and that the Qantas brand encapsulates all the value in the company. In other words, the product can be delivered by trained monkeys; the roo on the tail generates the profit. Once the company is private, you get the government to void the Qantas sale act, collapse International and Domestic. Rebadge Jetstar into mainline, and go merrily on your way. A concerted marketing campaign would support this and no one would be the wiser.
Rip out the cash, replace it with expensive debt and flog it back to the share market as "New improved Qantas" a few years later.
It was suggested to me by a broker that if the share price can be driven down another, say, 40% (say around 90 cents), you could make a bid to shareholders at share price plus 30% premium (say $1.30) and take it private quite nicely.
The thinking seems to be that if the shareholders can't be bought out (the APA bid), then perhaps they can be driven out by a collapsing share price and a perceived to be risky corporate strategy coupled with so called industrial mayhem and the claims of "unsustainability".
They seem to believe that "perceptions are everything" - a marketing point of view, and that the Qantas brand encapsulates all the value in the company. In other words, the product can be delivered by trained monkeys; the roo on the tail generates the profit. Once the company is private, you get the government to void the Qantas sale act, collapse International and Domestic. Rebadge Jetstar into mainline, and go merrily on your way. A concerted marketing campaign would support this and no one would be the wiser.
Rip out the cash, replace it with expensive debt and flog it back to the share market as "New improved Qantas" a few years later.
It was suggested to me by a broker that if the share price can be driven down another, say, 40% (say around 90 cents), you could make a bid to shareholders at share price plus 30% premium (say $1.30) and take it private quite nicely.
more distorted facts
Just had a read of some facts on the keepqantasflying.com info page,it says a LAME earns $150,000 including overtime,it then says we work a 38hr week(true),however if we work overtime to earn $150,000 we no longer work a 38hr week-they conveniently forgot to mention that part.
It goes on to say that their maintenance costs are too high compared to the rest of the world,it seems very obvious by now that a LOT of maintenance is done on overtime so no wonder the cost is so high but guess what!!,when no overtime is done there is suddenly a 60,000hr backlog of maintenance & aircraft have to be grounded.
IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG HERE??
I also read that the ALAEA are refusing to change work practices,well that is a new 1 to me.
STEVE,i am sure you have got a few facts to present to the many readers here on these issues & just on a slightly separate issue,is there any further update on negotiations & when is the next meeting with the company?
Keep up the good work.
It goes on to say that their maintenance costs are too high compared to the rest of the world,it seems very obvious by now that a LOT of maintenance is done on overtime so no wonder the cost is so high but guess what!!,when no overtime is done there is suddenly a 60,000hr backlog of maintenance & aircraft have to be grounded.
IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG HERE??
I also read that the ALAEA are refusing to change work practices,well that is a new 1 to me.
STEVE,i am sure you have got a few facts to present to the many readers here on these issues & just on a slightly separate issue,is there any further update on negotiations & when is the next meeting with the company?
Keep up the good work.
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Best post ever !
Originally Posted by Short Circuit
I have the perfect solution that AJ himself could not refuse,
Pay all LAMES, regardless of licenses & shift, the average $170K he said we earn, then we take a 5% pay cut at that rate. We will all be done and dusted EA signed off tomorrow before the AGM.
Pay all LAMES, regardless of licenses & shift, the average $170K he said we earn, then we take a 5% pay cut at that rate. We will all be done and dusted EA signed off tomorrow before the AGM.
Best post ever !
Fed Sec, This should be a full-page advert in all the newspapers !!
Post it to your Facebook wall, share on all the social media you can, post on all the forums you frequent (OCAU / Whirlpool / AusGamers / AussieBloggers) wherever you hang out !!!
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It was suggested to me by a broker that if the share price can be driven down another, say, 40% (say around 90 cents), you could make a bid to shareholders at share price plus 30% premium (say $1.30) and take it private quite nicely
I also read that the ALAEA are refusing to change work practices,