Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
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i'm not holding my breath for anything to come of todays meeting,
why so many pre planned future meetings anyhow?
indicates to me they have no intention of finalising a decent deal.
i reacon it's time to get the pia survey and ballot out to the troops.
why so many pre planned future meetings anyhow?
indicates to me they have no intention of finalising a decent deal.
i reacon it's time to get the pia survey and ballot out to the troops.
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It seems as though the ALAEA have done the work for the QF team by putting the new points proposal together. For as much as I can see there would be no real opposition to it from the members and it would benefit the company in many ways, i.e. it would mean a more flexible and productive workforce. If QF does not come up with a counter offer then that will indicate they are just sandbagging for now, in which case PIA should be top of the list for us.
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...and on a side note, don't ya just love how they have come out with the engagement survey right as 3 groups are considering lodging applications for PIA!
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
The floggings will continue until morale improves!
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yes coit
in the 1900's Lenin[AJ] and his Bolsheviks[IO]said"with an iron fist we will lead humanity to happiness".....who said history never repeats its self.....ha.....Rim
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re job security
fed sec,
job security is paramount of course.
Toward that end, have qantas and the alaea team discussed the 787 and possibility of the Boeing Gold Care option?
Any comment on the CMS situation where I hear there are a number of people being "released" .
job security is paramount of course.
Toward that end, have qantas and the alaea team discussed the 787 and possibility of the Boeing Gold Care option?
Any comment on the CMS situation where I hear there are a number of people being "released" .
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It means jetstar are getting the first chunk of 787s (ie before mainline) so jetstar will handle the maintenance (ie sub contract to cheapest supplier) then handle all 787 maintain.
Qantas Engineers will never work on the 787 is what sydeng means.
Qantas Engineers will never work on the 787 is what sydeng means.
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no customers no 787[if it ever comes]what is left for us ....working on old aircraft....with a EA hanging over our heads we more than ever need to stick together....Rim....oh I forgot we have the a380 that will keep us employed
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End of QF Engineering
QF management have been working on this plan for approx. 6 years, Boeing has let the implementation side of things down by delaying the delivery of the 787.
What makes Qantas Qantas if it's not flown by QF pilots, crewed by QF cabin crew, maintained by QF engineering, or (domestically speaking) loaded by QF ground staff? Answer - Jetstar. Why pay a premium to travel on a budget airline?
Is this one of the reasons EBA negotiations have been dragging FedSec?
What makes Qantas Qantas if it's not flown by QF pilots, crewed by QF cabin crew, maintained by QF engineering, or (domestically speaking) loaded by QF ground staff? Answer - Jetstar. Why pay a premium to travel on a budget airline?
Is this one of the reasons EBA negotiations have been dragging FedSec?
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Hey guys. There are very good reasons why our PIA application has not been lodged yet but I can't really elaborate here.
As for 787, there has been discussions. They are split in two parts. HM and Line. HM is not due until the 10 year mark becasue these aircraft will not require maintenance, they are a perfect machine as you will all know. They have never had a major incident apart from that one onboard fire. The other 5 flights went well.
Line is another matter. I have no doubt they plan to register these aircraft in Sin and fly them under a different set of rules. They will come into Jetstar first and that would be a matter for the Jetstar members. When Qantas get them, Qantas LAMEs will expect to do the work. I'm sure Qantas will make you bid for it and in my opinion, the bid process will be flawed and you will stand no hope.
We need to cover off on these possibilities now. If we happen to find ourselves in the trenches fighting beside pilots who face similar issues, that may be benificial. The outcome of this EA is crucial and yes, the job security matters are a number one priority.
cheers
As for 787, there has been discussions. They are split in two parts. HM and Line. HM is not due until the 10 year mark becasue these aircraft will not require maintenance, they are a perfect machine as you will all know. They have never had a major incident apart from that one onboard fire. The other 5 flights went well.
Line is another matter. I have no doubt they plan to register these aircraft in Sin and fly them under a different set of rules. They will come into Jetstar first and that would be a matter for the Jetstar members. When Qantas get them, Qantas LAMEs will expect to do the work. I'm sure Qantas will make you bid for it and in my opinion, the bid process will be flawed and you will stand no hope.
We need to cover off on these possibilities now. If we happen to find ourselves in the trenches fighting beside pilots who face similar issues, that may be benificial. The outcome of this EA is crucial and yes, the job security matters are a number one priority.
cheers
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How about a memo to the men and let us in the know then?
Why are we not heading into the pia ballot?
Todays Australian says we are expected to lodge within the week!
Also Fed Sec says the aim of management is to delay and frustrate.
We know that
BTW,
if job security comes first, i sure hope the annualised salary comes second.
I will happily trade my 12+ service points for that.
Why are we not heading into the pia ballot?
Todays Australian says we are expected to lodge within the week!
Also Fed Sec says the aim of management is to delay and frustrate.
We know that
BTW,
if job security comes first, i sure hope the annualised salary comes second.
I will happily trade my 12+ service points for that.
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Div 1,
I am sure fed sec and the team have valid reasons for not stating certain things publicly.
When the time comes we shall know.
Never mind the press talk.They take their info from here and other places.
The get well placed leaks from different parties to massage opinion , apply pressure etc.
I am sure fed sec and the team have valid reasons for not stating certain things publicly.
When the time comes we shall know.
Never mind the press talk.They take their info from here and other places.
The get well placed leaks from different parties to massage opinion , apply pressure etc.
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I can go into some detail regarding one of the reasons for the hold up and it needs to be aired and discussed by all. In short, we can't go to battle unless everyone is supportive and knows what we are fighting for. We need 100% support.
Unfortunately in a large department we have a rogue Rep running around trying to turn LAMEs off our proposal becasue the unusable service points for those capped out will not be taken into account in the new system. As it stands today these points are about as useful as a bucket full of Mongolian Roubles.
This bloke who translated in 97 to near on the top level in his mid twenties now feels hard done by. He expects and is talking to others trying to convince them that this is the case. Effectively he wants all LAMEs to fight so he can use his useless service points to go up 4 levels whilst others go up one.
The ALAEA is attempting to put in place a new system that would benefit all as equally as possible. We aren't in the business of fighting for 4 levels for one LAME and 1 for another. Our proposal seeks to have all LAMEs move freely during the course of their service with Qf at a level every second year. We want new levels on top and no quotas, the thing that has caused most discontent over the past 13 years.
When this issue is sorted, we will lodge.
Are these words harsh? You bet they are and it is also a message to all ALAEA Reps. When you represent our members, you represent them. Not yourself.
Unfortunately in a large department we have a rogue Rep running around trying to turn LAMEs off our proposal becasue the unusable service points for those capped out will not be taken into account in the new system. As it stands today these points are about as useful as a bucket full of Mongolian Roubles.
This bloke who translated in 97 to near on the top level in his mid twenties now feels hard done by. He expects and is talking to others trying to convince them that this is the case. Effectively he wants all LAMEs to fight so he can use his useless service points to go up 4 levels whilst others go up one.
The ALAEA is attempting to put in place a new system that would benefit all as equally as possible. We aren't in the business of fighting for 4 levels for one LAME and 1 for another. Our proposal seeks to have all LAMEs move freely during the course of their service with Qf at a level every second year. We want new levels on top and no quotas, the thing that has caused most discontent over the past 13 years.
When this issue is sorted, we will lodge.
Are these words harsh? You bet they are and it is also a message to all ALAEA Reps. When you represent our members, you represent them. Not yourself.
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Thanks for the 'heads up' Fed Sec! There is a lot of interest in how the negotiations are going. Although a good number of LAMEs don't trust those negotiating on the company's behalf, and are ready for PIA to start, virtually everyone would prefer the matter to be settled so we can concentrate on doing our jobs.
The issue of, useless service points vs (what we understand) the new proposal to be, has been discussed in the past couple of days. From what I have heard, no one as spoken against the new proposal. Those that have spoken think it would be a good improvement on the present 'poorly designed' system. (That includes a couple of LAMEs who have half "a bucket full of Mongolian Roubles").
The issue of, useless service points vs (what we understand) the new proposal to be, has been discussed in the past couple of days. From what I have heard, no one as spoken against the new proposal. Those that have spoken think it would be a good improvement on the present 'poorly designed' system. (That includes a couple of LAMEs who have half "a bucket full of Mongolian Roubles").
in and lets get moving