Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
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Brief update to members
Just sent out via our email system guys.
Hi members,
I just wanted to pass on a quick message regarding the Qantas EA discussions. As reported last week it was evident that Qantas were working towards an offer to be placed on the table. Further chats have taken place and there has been no real breakthrough. The parties meet again on Wed 2nd of March and we are pretty keen to see the colour of their money and their commitments to job security. At this stage we are unsure whether we are being stringed along so the back pay builds to a point where it becomes an issue should they threaten to take it away. For this reason we will not be accepting any further delay tactics and expect an offer in full to be presented. Failing this, the negotiating team will be looking at other options to secure an Agreement.
Cheers
Steve Purvinas
ALAEA
Federal Secretary
I just wanted to pass on a quick message regarding the Qantas EA discussions. As reported last week it was evident that Qantas were working towards an offer to be placed on the table. Further chats have taken place and there has been no real breakthrough. The parties meet again on Wed 2nd of March and we are pretty keen to see the colour of their money and their commitments to job security. At this stage we are unsure whether we are being stringed along so the back pay builds to a point where it becomes an issue should they threaten to take it away. For this reason we will not be accepting any further delay tactics and expect an offer in full to be presented. Failing this, the negotiating team will be looking at other options to secure an Agreement.
Cheers
Steve Purvinas
ALAEA
Federal Secretary
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it is oh so obvious now, we are dealing with first class time wasters.
so the field is set under starters orders for the pia stakes of 2011.
a simple overtime ban would probably cripple the brisbane operation.
now some of the field might have even jumped the gun
so the field is set under starters orders for the pia stakes of 2011.
a simple overtime ban would probably cripple the brisbane operation.
now some of the field might have even jumped the gun
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Unfortunately overtime bans in Sydney wont do damn thing. They have recruited in the past 2 years,put on the casual retiree brigade, this has killed all the overtime. If anything is going to work in sydney it will need to be no higher duties and intense scrutiny during inspections.
If some sort of action is required, it will be interesting to see if the retiree's support their workmates, or their managerial mates who keep them employed when there is no real manpower requirement to have them.
If some sort of action is required, it will be interesting to see if the retiree's support their workmates, or their managerial mates who keep them employed when there is no real manpower requirement to have them.
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There's been alot of talk on the company side lately about the introduction of the part 66 system.
Are they all talk Steve, or is it on the table in the current EA negotiations? Is the extra training LAMEs have to undertake to get to basic B1/B2 qualification going to be recognised with points in the pay scale or will it remain a bolt-on for the chosen few?
It's about time QF got serious about the new system and trained all LAMEs to at least a B1/B2 basics level.
Are they all talk Steve, or is it on the table in the current EA negotiations? Is the extra training LAMEs have to undertake to get to basic B1/B2 qualification going to be recognised with points in the pay scale or will it remain a bolt-on for the chosen few?
It's about time QF got serious about the new system and trained all LAMEs to at least a B1/B2 basics level.
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yes fed sec thanks for the reply....but its been in the ppm since Bruce[who sadly passed away] put it there in '03 does that mean its part of our system of maint.....and jet-a-1 have a look at the mail out from CASA we got earlier this month the time line for the new lic is in it .... all LAME's should attend the workshops that are stated in the hand out,after that they will mail out YOUR part 66 licence and then you have time for a "discrepancy resolution" which there will be a few!!!!!!!
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You're right Rim, we can expect CASA to issue our LIMITED Part 66 licences soon, but what QF then give you company approval for under their system of maint may be a different kettle of fish...
Even then, all LAMEs will still have to complete the theory and practical training required to get their Part 66 "basics" before they are eligible for a type course under the new regs.
I can see this being a way of the company deciding who gets to play with their new train set and who is left rotting on the "legacy fleet"...
It wouldn't be the first time they've used division in an attempt to conquer!
Like it or not, Part 66 is here to stay and QF should be committed to training all LAMEs to basic level or at least recognising those that have done the training off their own bat.
Even then, all LAMEs will still have to complete the theory and practical training required to get their Part 66 "basics" before they are eligible for a type course under the new regs.
I can see this being a way of the company deciding who gets to play with their new train set and who is left rotting on the "legacy fleet"...
It wouldn't be the first time they've used division in an attempt to conquer!
Like it or not, Part 66 is here to stay and QF should be committed to training all LAMEs to basic level or at least recognising those that have done the training off their own bat.
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Jet, with the calibre implementing the part66 changes from the company's side, don't be at all surprised if it is a monumental balls up. The fat controllers love child is alive and well and looking for new opportunities.
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Are they all talk Steve, or is it on the table in the current EA negotiations? Is the extra training LAMEs have to undertake to get to basic B1/B2 qualification going to be recognised with points in the pay scale or will it remain a bolt-on for the chosen few?
recognized with points in the pay scale
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a bolt on for the chosen few
Wouldn't it be better if it was a bolt on for all? Why would anyone want it within the pay scale? If it is, it takes everyone closer to caps or the top level. The comment about the chosen few is a completely different subject, don't confuse it with how the training is paid. Both who gets this training and how it will be paid in the future have been the centre of much of the EA discussion. There are so many options and opinions it will almost be impossible to keep everyone pleased but we sure as hell will be trying.
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This question has been asked in relation to no man transits. Just thought I would clarify a few things -
If that's what the PPM says, yes it is part of the sys of maintenance. What it says in our Industrial Agreement however is a different matter. The sys of maintenance can say anything it likes, if we have a legal binding Agreement that says something else, they would be in breach of that legal contract by trying to enact the clause in the sys of maint.
Hope this makes sense, let me know if further explanation required.
but its been in the ppm since Bruce[who sadly passed away] put it there in '03 does that mean its part of our system of maint.....
Hope this makes sense, let me know if further explanation required.
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Thanks for the reply Steve.
Re how the B1/2 is paid- Personally I would of thought having it worth points would have prevented the company from trying to remove the payment down the track when it suits them or only paying those in sections where they determined it was required. The way super is calculated with bolt-ons was also a concern.
I didn't really consider how it would effect those lucky few on the top level or those that are capped out but that's prob just because I'm about 20yrs away from any caps at the rate QF train these days...
Thanks again and keep up the good work!
Re how the B1/2 is paid- Personally I would of thought having it worth points would have prevented the company from trying to remove the payment down the track when it suits them or only paying those in sections where they determined it was required. The way super is calculated with bolt-ons was also a concern.
I didn't really consider how it would effect those lucky few on the top level or those that are capped out but that's prob just because I'm about 20yrs away from any caps at the rate QF train these days...
Thanks again and keep up the good work!
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Super is paid on the bolt on EASA payment.
Hard to take a payment away unless we negotiate it out. That being the case it could be negotiated out if a bolt on or not.
cheers
Hard to take a payment away unless we negotiate it out. That being the case it could be negotiated out if a bolt on or not.
cheers
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Rumour has it the younger single Lic. A330 guys are lined up for Virgin and Jet* if the outcome of this EA does not help them get out of Lvl 4,5 and 6 and into a more decent pay grade. That will really increase the average age of the Qantas LAME. On the other hand, it might mean more training for other guys.
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That is a gee up MEA. Virgin engineering are not even touching the 330s. The whole shooting match is being looked after by JHAS. As for pornstar, well you never know but I doubt that as well.
Why would the company increase the level of a single licenced younger LAME just out of the goodness of their heart?
Why would the company increase the level of a single licenced younger LAME just out of the goodness of their heart?
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With Virgin to build a hangar for the 330 in SYD and Jet* also in need of more 330 guys, you're kidding yourself if you think the younger guys haven't noticed the shade of the grass on the other side of the fence Superlame. That's not to mention the AMEs that have switched camps in the last few years and are doing quite well!
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What's news from today's EBA negotiations, Fed Sec?
I know a lot of guys with an ichy trigger finger! Most think that 6 mths of negotiating with Qantas not being willing to put an offer down is too long. Starting the PIA process might be the catalyst for Oldmeadow to take the matter seriously. He got it wrong last time, pity he hasn't learnt from his mistakes!
I know a lot of guys with an ichy trigger finger! Most think that 6 mths of negotiating with Qantas not being willing to put an offer down is too long. Starting the PIA process might be the catalyst for Oldmeadow to take the matter seriously. He got it wrong last time, pity he hasn't learnt from his mistakes!
Come on Millet Fanger! If you were being paid by the hour to provide 'expert' counsel and negotiation services to QF, it would be in your interest to keep the whole shebang grinding along for as long as possible, no?
Mr. O isn't a dope. He just trying to make a livin like everyone else. Give him a break! It's clear he wrote the book on the art of the unofficial 'go slow'!! We could learn a thing or two from him for sure!
Mr. O isn't a dope. He just trying to make a livin like everyone else. Give him a break! It's clear he wrote the book on the art of the unofficial 'go slow'!! We could learn a thing or two from him for sure!
