Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
Level 3 for the new LAMEs is an absolute joke Fed Sec , please tell us you are not going to let the new generation of LAMEs start by going backwards. Surely level 4 should be the absolute minimum
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Read again, Bootstrap
If you look at the Fed Sec's post, QF want the new A380 LAME's to start on Lvl 4, the ALAEA are arguing for a higher entry level. Where do you get Lvl 3 from?
Level 3 is the talk going around, for mechanical and level 5 for avionics. It is just talk but in this place bad news seems to be the news that comes true
Another thing why wasn't this already sorted? These guy have been doing their training for nearly 2 years, some now have their B1 and A380 tickets from CASA and now they are still waiting for the bureaucracy before they can become LAMEs inthe qf system.
Did anybody think that one day AMEs would someday become LAMEs and this would need to be sorted.
I think it was shortsightedness from both the company and the union.
Another thing why wasn't this already sorted? These guy have been doing their training for nearly 2 years, some now have their B1 and A380 tickets from CASA and now they are still waiting for the bureaucracy before they can become LAMEs inthe qf system.
Did anybody think that one day AMEs would someday become LAMEs and this would need to be sorted.
I think it was shortsightedness from both the company and the union.
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And maybe some of these AMEs should have advised the ALAEA of what they were up to before they started and we may not have been so shortsighted. Instead we had some enquiries from them as they were finishing their training. Now we have to mop up the mess and make sure they get paid correctly.
What is on the table at the moment is this -
Mech lvl 3 plus 6 point dollar payment for 380 plus 4 point dollar payment for B1.
AV lvl 5 1/2 plus 6 point dollar payment for 380 plus 1 point dollar payment for B2.
What is on the table at the moment is this -
Mech lvl 3 plus 6 point dollar payment for 380 plus 4 point dollar payment for B1.
AV lvl 5 1/2 plus 6 point dollar payment for 380 plus 1 point dollar payment for B2.
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I am curious to know if the rest of us non A380 guys who will be converting our Lic to part 66 B1 and/or B2, will we also be getting a payment once our Lic. has been converted over with CASA?
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That's still under negotiation as part of the EA discussions. Another complicated beast though with full B1's, B1 limited etc.... ATM the full B1 is 4 points at the dollar value sitting outside the pay structure.
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Fed Sec,me thinks the wording for the next EA regarding training(up to B1 standard), for the next generation of aircraft will have to be loophole free and fair,so the QF engineering management don't get to pick their buddies.I also think that there should be some recognition for LAMES that have completed the B1 training off there own back(which CASA will acknowledge with the new Licencing System anyway.)
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So the annualised salary is a prohibitive cost impact on lsl entitlements?
I made a rough guestimate of the median lame on 80,000 with 20 yrs service and 6 months LSL at hand.
If his shift loading was 35% and applied to this accumulated LSL it would generate a burden of $14,000. So fcuking what? this will be paid over the next 20 years when the hypothetical lame uses his LSL. They will be making interest on this money held in kind the whole time.
FFS, the real ongoing cost of this scheme would be something like $14,000/20 years, or $13.46 per week. Plus $1.34 super contribution.
It's about time, EBA6?, this should be one of the basic givens to us. After all, it seems the industry standard. if you don't receive shift allowance payments your already on a wage annualised salary. The company wastes time getting assurances from the president that pia is not being considered. They should rather get it from the coalface, because thats where it WILL be comming from.
I made a rough guestimate of the median lame on 80,000 with 20 yrs service and 6 months LSL at hand.
If his shift loading was 35% and applied to this accumulated LSL it would generate a burden of $14,000. So fcuking what? this will be paid over the next 20 years when the hypothetical lame uses his LSL. They will be making interest on this money held in kind the whole time.
FFS, the real ongoing cost of this scheme would be something like $14,000/20 years, or $13.46 per week. Plus $1.34 super contribution.
It's about time, EBA6?, this should be one of the basic givens to us. After all, it seems the industry standard. if you don't receive shift allowance payments your already on a wage annualised salary. The company wastes time getting assurances from the president that pia is not being considered. They should rather get it from the coalface, because thats where it WILL be comming from.
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How is it Fed. Sec. that the B2 is only 1 additional point?
Is the ALAEA planning on having the B2 guys pick up full B1 ratings so 90% of Avionics dont become redundant?
Is the ALAEA planning on having the B2 guys pick up full B1 ratings so 90% of Avionics dont become redundant?
The B1 licence is designed around 1 guy needed on the ramp instead of 2. That's how they're used literally everywhere else in the world - which in reality.. re-lamps, black boxes, elec reconnects, bonding checks... its not rocket science.
A B1 cannot sign for an avionic system. B2's are still required in all airlines, it may not be as currently where its a mix of 30-40% av-mech ratio like it is now on the line but they're most definitely a requirement in real aircraft maintenance.. ie base.
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How is it Fed. Sec. that the B2 is only 1 additional point?
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fed sec , did you get any feedback on CN's state of the nation meeting with managers, DMMs, senior LAMEs etc the other day?
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The B1 licence is designed around 1 guy needed on the ramp instead of 2. That's how they're used literally everywhere else in the world - which in reality.. re-lamps, black boxes, elec reconnects, bonding checks... its not rocket science.
Whilst careless and ignorant perceptions such as these are brandied about, and whilst people rush to take over other trades (that would otherwise take years of experience and training to achieve), we are doing ourselves a great injustice.
One could argue that all work at Line work falls into the "Cat A Certifier" ball park. Then what path would our level of safety and quality follow?
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Fair suck of the sav here guys.
If you are genuinely concerned or have legitimate questions around CAR30 to CASR100.66 conversion then rather than posting endless questions and sometimes snide responses why not call the office or SP directly.
Some of the stuff posted here is only giving the company stooges ideas and gives an impression of division within the ranks which I know doesn't exist after the last EBA debacle.
As you no doubt saw from the last company propoganda notice they read these forums and treat what is written as bona-fide.
Note to company stooges: it's a rumour network!
If you are genuinely concerned or have legitimate questions around CAR30 to CASR100.66 conversion then rather than posting endless questions and sometimes snide responses why not call the office or SP directly.
Some of the stuff posted here is only giving the company stooges ideas and gives an impression of division within the ranks which I know doesn't exist after the last EBA debacle.
As you no doubt saw from the last company propoganda notice they read these forums and treat what is written as bona-fide.
Note to company stooges: it's a rumour network!
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If you want to winge about who signs for what in the 66 system direct your frustrations at CASA! I think you'll find that horse has well and truly bolted...
The fact of the matter is the greasers have to pick up more trades if they're going to sign for new aircraft. Obviously they're entitled to more money with the extra responsibilities that entails. Much the same as you'd expect a cone that certifies EI and R to get more money than a greaser gets on the legacy fleet...
So get over it and let the rest of us discuss the Enterprise Agreement!
The fact of the matter is the greasers have to pick up more trades if they're going to sign for new aircraft. Obviously they're entitled to more money with the extra responsibilities that entails. Much the same as you'd expect a cone that certifies EI and R to get more money than a greaser gets on the legacy fleet...
So get over it and let the rest of us discuss the Enterprise Agreement!
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Looks like SAM is trying to get through plenty of A checks prior to Feb 16. Having a leave ban in place is a bit raw. What happened to bringing in the casuals for the extra work or maybe o/t?
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annualised salary
right on divi 1 annualised salery all the way......dont want to stir up a hornets nest but even in the old system mech lames were the only ones to sign the MR in the old system or now RTS [QF] and now in the new system they will still be the only ones to do the same,its up to QF to get in some sort of system to allow these B2 guys and girls to be able to sign for this.
Bumpfoh or boofhead pull your head in thats what these forums are all about does not matter if the company read them,I think they know whats happening even if its not posted on here............Rim
Bumpfoh or boofhead pull your head in thats what these forums are all about does not matter if the company read them,I think they know whats happening even if its not posted on here............Rim
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I am convinced the storm clouds are gathering, update 11th didn't do it. It shows how unprofessional they are accusing comments on here are offical public statements.
Read the approach taken to the AIPA. Reduce your debt, get a stash of cash together, do some extra reading at work......as much as I hate to say it but it's on again. Last time it cost them $150Mil I am sure they will have learnt from that experience but our best weapons are stored in their garage.
How many core business rules do these donkies want to break and expect the government to keep protecting them.
Don't mix makes in your core business
Don't buy the first of a model
Do your own maintenance and take ownership and care of your assets. You get what you pay for in this world.
Stick to your core business, don't be distratcted. No wonder we are losing Biz class punters.
Fly in your own back yard. Which business every beat competitors in their backyard?
The Leprechaun's asiprations of expanding JQ is a death null for the Red Rat IMHO.
Value your employees as assets not costs.
Speak those those that know the business and share the ownership with them. Don't keep octracizing them.
Prepare brothers.
Read the approach taken to the AIPA. Reduce your debt, get a stash of cash together, do some extra reading at work......as much as I hate to say it but it's on again. Last time it cost them $150Mil I am sure they will have learnt from that experience but our best weapons are stored in their garage.
How many core business rules do these donkies want to break and expect the government to keep protecting them.
Don't mix makes in your core business
Don't buy the first of a model
Do your own maintenance and take ownership and care of your assets. You get what you pay for in this world.
Stick to your core business, don't be distratcted. No wonder we are losing Biz class punters.
Fly in your own back yard. Which business every beat competitors in their backyard?
The Leprechaun's asiprations of expanding JQ is a death null for the Red Rat IMHO.
Value your employees as assets not costs.
Speak those those that know the business and share the ownership with them. Don't keep octracizing them.
Prepare brothers.
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I agree Rim and Div1, The annualised salary should be top of the priority list- even ahead of the wage claim IMO.
Also the B1/B2 and 380 to be given a points value like any other licence...
Also the B1/B2 and 380 to be given a points value like any other licence...