Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
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So this bloke wants a 50% payrise.
EA increase plus another $320 per week. I wish him all the best. Don't worry pal I am sure there is an opening in management for you somewhere soon.
Only got 100% support from my section Fed Sec.
EA's should help everyone and not just a small greedy few.
EA increase plus another $320 per week. I wish him all the best. Don't worry pal I am sure there is an opening in management for you somewhere soon. Only got 100% support from my section Fed Sec.
EA's should help everyone and not just a small greedy few.
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So far, since meeting Fed Sec last wednesday to hear about the progress of the EBA, I have discussed the proposed points system with quite a few other LAME's.
Only two have had negative sentiment towards the proposal. Both because of service points owing. Both stated that then needed to think about themself and not others. Both said think short term and not long term. Fine if you are planning to leave in 18 months I guess.
Personally, I stand to lose in the short term as I may possibly see a course in the next 18 months.
I am all for the new proposal however
Only two have had negative sentiment towards the proposal. Both because of service points owing. Both stated that then needed to think about themself and not others. Both said think short term and not long term. Fine if you are planning to leave in 18 months I guess.
Personally, I stand to lose in the short term as I may possibly see a course in the next 18 months.
I am all for the new proposal however
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accured service points
If anyone thinks that accured service pionts will be transfered to a new system,"your dreaming" not only from a union position the company would not have it as it would move some up so fast that the pay office would not be able to keep up.......get real guys a new system starts from day one,no baggage,so get over it....Rim
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There are quite a few people who don't care about the "proposal", some who are sitting on the fence, alot who like it, but also quite a few who are loosing points and are getting pretty pi$$ed off about it. But there are also a lot of guys, (and I mean alot!!) who have absolutely no idea what is being proposed. Their opinions will matter when the proposal (whatever it is) is released.
A few meetings to thrash it out wouldn't go a-stray so we can all get back on the same track. Slinging crap at each other will achieve very little.
A few meetings to thrash it out wouldn't go a-stray so we can all get back on the same track. Slinging crap at each other will achieve very little.
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It is a proposal in progress I guess. People should just wait and see what the outcome of negotiations around it come to. I am certain the ALAEA will present to members very clearly what the proposal will being. Better to wait and see what the outcome is than to start getting all pi$$ed off.
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Weed out the 'company stooges' and the 'Rogue Reps'.
Expect them, find them, identify them to everyone and then expel them as members.
It's the only way to deal with this sort of self interest
Expect them, find them, identify them to everyone and then expel them as members.
It's the only way to deal with this sort of self interest
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Longbow - "Weed out the 'company stooges' and the 'Rogue Reps'".
There will be a chance to debate the proposal, everyone will get a vote. Until then stay united and support the committee.
Longbow - "then expel them as members".
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I spent 10 years as a delegate for an AME union and one of the things you have to do is encourage members to vote how they see fit. You can explain to them your personal opinion however, it's up to the member to decide for themself.
I recall a time when discussing an issue with the manager of our wonderful H3 facility in Brisbane. I agreed with his point of view on a particular issue however, the membership consensus was opposite to my view and that is what I was pursuing in negotiations.
He then said to me "well if you agree with me then you need to go out there and sell this to them".
Clearly, he had no idea what unions are about.
As I said, under the proposal (which is still being tweaked), I stand to lose in the short term however, I can see that the system will be a much fairer system in the long run. Change it now and disadvantage a few in the short term? Change it later and disadvantage a different group in the future? Perhaps there will be an agreement reached that keeps almost everyone happy? Who knows.
Until then, no point getting pi$$ed off about a proposal that is in the workings!
I recall a time when discussing an issue with the manager of our wonderful H3 facility in Brisbane. I agreed with his point of view on a particular issue however, the membership consensus was opposite to my view and that is what I was pursuing in negotiations.
He then said to me "well if you agree with me then you need to go out there and sell this to them".
Clearly, he had no idea what unions are about.
As I said, under the proposal (which is still being tweaked), I stand to lose in the short term however, I can see that the system will be a much fairer system in the long run. Change it now and disadvantage a few in the short term? Change it later and disadvantage a different group in the future? Perhaps there will be an agreement reached that keeps almost everyone happy? Who knows.
Until then, no point getting pi$$ed off about a proposal that is in the workings!
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I am sure that there are a few "agenda's" going around. However, as always, membership will ultimately decide which way we go. We all have an opinion, and most importantly, we all have minds of our own.
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In good faith my arse.....
I won't be holding my breath for Thursdays meeting.
QF seem to want to waste everyone's time.
6 months of meeting and still no offer.....
QF seem to want to waste everyone's time.
6 months of meeting and still no offer.....
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It is time Qantas stops wasting its time paying "Old Meadow" all this money and re-engage with its workers to come up with a solution.
I think If Qantas wanted to, I know the boys in Engineering would be more then happy to draft up a future plan to include;
-Long term 3rd party contracts with foreign operators
-A sustainable future for Qantas and Qantas Engineering
-Re-gain that Qantas image it once had of been the safest airline in the world.
- Be competitive and at the same time a great place to work and earn a decent wage/salary.
-Draw up a future plan to strive towards.
It is not that hard to invest in the people that work for the airline, instead of wasting time and money with a contractor that gets off on seeing the demise of Qantas, does Qantas realise he is being paid by another airline to damage its image.....
I think If Qantas wanted to, I know the boys in Engineering would be more then happy to draft up a future plan to include;
-Long term 3rd party contracts with foreign operators
-A sustainable future for Qantas and Qantas Engineering
-Re-gain that Qantas image it once had of been the safest airline in the world.
- Be competitive and at the same time a great place to work and earn a decent wage/salary.
-Draw up a future plan to strive towards.
It is not that hard to invest in the people that work for the airline, instead of wasting time and money with a contractor that gets off on seeing the demise of Qantas, does Qantas realise he is being paid by another airline to damage its image.....
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Fed Sec,
I, and many of those I work with, support the PIA application. Is this lodgement part of the process after 6 months of "negotiations", or have things turned nasty this week?
I, and many of those I work with, support the PIA application. Is this lodgement part of the process after 6 months of "negotiations", or have things turned nasty this week?
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Either way it will flush ot their next move for better or worse.
Are the ground staff under a PIA at present?
Are the ground staff under a PIA at present?
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Just goes to show that Qantas Management have learnt NOTHING!
Good going Q Management
Clap Clap for the Handicaps!, seems like you guys are too busy pissing off your staff, rather then running the company like you should and creating more routes that you can fill the parked 747s, 767s and the A330s you decided to paint in orange. Good work guys, I am sure you are proud of the achievments you have made already this year.
Funny thing is, some people started to have faith in you Chris Nassenstein, good going mate! Would have thought you knew all about the previous PIA when you had to send Air NZ engineers to turn around your aircraft.
The Exodus to VB, J* etc here they come, good AME's your way.
Good going Q Management
Clap Clap for the Handicaps!, seems like you guys are too busy pissing off your staff, rather then running the company like you should and creating more routes that you can fill the parked 747s, 767s and the A330s you decided to paint in orange. Good work guys, I am sure you are proud of the achievments you have made already this year. Funny thing is, some people started to have faith in you Chris Nassenstein, good going mate! Would have thought you knew all about the previous PIA when you had to send Air NZ engineers to turn around your aircraft.
The Exodus to VB, J* etc here they come, good AME's your way.
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Hi Fed Sec,
Does this mean us retired QF Lames should be expecting a call from Newport Aviation in the future?
I think I will have to see what my reply was last time,something like go
yourself,I would of thought that these so called managers learnt from the Murray Moments last PIA.
Does this mean us retired QF Lames should be expecting a call from Newport Aviation in the future?
I think I will have to see what my reply was last time,something like go
yourself,I would of thought that these so called managers learnt from the Murray Moments last PIA.