Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
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Ease up guys .............
Some people might have a very good reason they cannot attend meetings on their days off ...........
Accepting PP is not the best way to disseminate and collect information / feedback, it is, for some, their best option
ST
Some people might have a very good reason they cannot attend meetings on their days off ...........
Accepting PP is not the best way to disseminate and collect information / feedback, it is, for some, their best option
ST
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Fair enough...........
Do you consider it at all possible that some ALAEA members who are rostered off for their meetings may have pre-scheduled commitments on those days that they cannot get out of ?
Looking after their children while their wife works / attending a specialist appointment with their wife that she booked several weeks ago / having a doctors appointment booked a while ago ?
ST
Do you consider it at all possible that some ALAEA members who are rostered off for their meetings may have pre-scheduled commitments on those days that they cannot get out of ?
Looking after their children while their wife works / attending a specialist appointment with their wife that she booked several weeks ago / having a doctors appointment booked a while ago ?
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What is the 1 point B1/B2 payment?
Is it 1 service point if you have B1/B2 or 1 point in lieu of it?
Is it 1 service point if you have B1/B2 or 1 point in lieu of it?
You will be paid the equivalent of 1 service point. This equates to about $22 pw for the EASA conversion of your licence. This will be in addition to the 2011 3% back pay, 2012 grade jump, 2013 3% increase and 2014 grade jump.
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I'm sure thats possible, but I don't agree that PP is the best option.
Get the facts by,
1. Get to a meeting
2. Get to a meeting
3. Get to a meeting
4. Talk to a colleague or rep who was at a meeting. Failing that,
5. Pick up the phone and call the ALAEA office.
By all means discuss what you have learnt on PP.
Get the facts by,
1. Get to a meeting
2. Get to a meeting
3. Get to a meeting
4. Talk to a colleague or rep who was at a meeting. Failing that,
5. Pick up the phone and call the ALAEA office.
By all means discuss what you have learnt on PP.
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I understand BM1 being frustrated, we were treated like sh!t (like most 35,000 employees) locked out like 10,000 good unionists and told that our leaders (who a majority of work for qantas) had no passion for Qantas and did not want to see it succeed. As I see it they were the only ones that wanted QF to succeed, the bloody leprechaun didn't 120 aircraft ordered for another airline that doesnt help Qantas !
Back to the meetings sat through the meeting which the fed sec spoke mostly and he took us through the process it seems the road has been long and torturous, we fought hard we fought fair but were caught out by a maniac willing to stop at nothing the process of fair bargaining (it didnt stop the !@#$%^ collecting a seven figure sum or 70% payrise for treating us like sh!t). In the end it amounted to arbitration a process that will more than likely hurt both sides. What to do ?
Between the ALAEA and QF a compromise has been struck and been presented at the meetings, its take it or leave and I see most guys are compromised about which way they vote, thats good that means youre thinking ! the result is actually irrelevant in the sense we ourselves must be happy with the decision and we make it so get along to the meetings and vote !
PS Pres I know youre unhappy no one likes being stabbed in the back but try to look like you're not going to tear someones head off and sh!t down their neck it really scares some of us punters thinking we may be on the list lol
PPS Fed Sec the stories are well and good but I know ten very good men did all their very best for us in this negotiation, celebrate them too.
Back to the meetings sat through the meeting which the fed sec spoke mostly and he took us through the process it seems the road has been long and torturous, we fought hard we fought fair but were caught out by a maniac willing to stop at nothing the process of fair bargaining (it didnt stop the !@#$%^ collecting a seven figure sum or 70% payrise for treating us like sh!t). In the end it amounted to arbitration a process that will more than likely hurt both sides. What to do ?
Between the ALAEA and QF a compromise has been struck and been presented at the meetings, its take it or leave and I see most guys are compromised about which way they vote, thats good that means youre thinking ! the result is actually irrelevant in the sense we ourselves must be happy with the decision and we make it so get along to the meetings and vote !
PS Pres I know youre unhappy no one likes being stabbed in the back but try to look like you're not going to tear someones head off and sh!t down their neck it really scares some of us punters thinking we may be on the list lol
PPS Fed Sec the stories are well and good but I know ten very good men did all their very best for us in this negotiation, celebrate them too.
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Have to agree with Silverado. Get to a meeting at all cost. This is how the system now works. All the points were well explained by Fed Sec last night. If poor old AJ has one more item shoved up his arse he's going to be very sore - then again I guess he's use to that.
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This is your last chance to have a say in what direction LAE (QAL) EA 9 might go. Get to a meeting.
You have 2 choices the proposal or FWA arbitration. If you want it to drag on with no hope of back pay and little chance of success, choose the latter.
Either way, the current job security clause is already locked in.
Other items already settled
Dispute resolution
Grievance resolution
Transition to retirement
Absence notification (within 2hrs)
Annual leave payout at employee req (must keep min 4wks)
Long service 8 or 7 day blocks (depends what roster)
Laptop
The elements of the proposal and the matters referred to arbitration differ quite significantly.
You have 2 choices the proposal or FWA arbitration. If you want it to drag on with no hope of back pay and little chance of success, choose the latter.
Either way, the current job security clause is already locked in.
Other items already settled
Dispute resolution
Grievance resolution
Transition to retirement
Absence notification (within 2hrs)
Annual leave payout at employee req (must keep min 4wks)
Long service 8 or 7 day blocks (depends what roster)
Laptop
The elements of the proposal and the matters referred to arbitration differ quite significantly.
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dont beat around the bush
stop the bullsh%t there is only one way to go ....IMHO a deal has been struck and we need to give the ex the power to go back and cement that deal....so when you get the voting paper give the "ex" that power,we dont want it to go to FWA ......the rim
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Rim, I agree. Better the devil you know imho.
I have no doubt the company will play word games with intent , meaning, inference of the clause 11 but we have custom and practice, 10 years of it in fact, pre flting so called new gen aircraft.
The words have not changed. Now I do believe they will try something on with the semantics or somehow wangle it through witjh some kind of business change where they plead 'not in our control'.
They could just shrink the mainline even further to just keep shrinking our numbers, who knows?
They may just honour the words as written and agreed
But.... we know most of the detail good and bad and it is on the table. On the surface it aint too bad. We can imagine things they may or may not do but left to the good commissioners you are rolling the dice on a lot more. That is my reading of it.
I have no doubt the company will play word games with intent , meaning, inference of the clause 11 but we have custom and practice, 10 years of it in fact, pre flting so called new gen aircraft.
The words have not changed. Now I do believe they will try something on with the semantics or somehow wangle it through witjh some kind of business change where they plead 'not in our control'.
They could just shrink the mainline even further to just keep shrinking our numbers, who knows?
They may just honour the words as written and agreed
But.... we know most of the detail good and bad and it is on the table. On the surface it aint too bad. We can imagine things they may or may not do but left to the good commissioners you are rolling the dice on a lot more. That is my reading of it.
the rim & ampclamp,although i have only read on here & heard some comments in the workplace about the proposed deal i definitely agree with your posts,at this time unfortunately we dont have a lot of options & considering the amount of work that has gone into this,it seems prudent to me that we support it & just take the best that we can get out of this mess.
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Will probably find QE had some input into the proposal and will want to tidy up their side of the clusterf#$k that clifford and joyce have created. The fun will start after the agreement is ratified.
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An agreement may sort out your hip pocket blues - but the nasty taste will remain until the Qantas management make genuine amends. The memories of Joyce's ultra destructive tactics will live for a long time.
Once again, in the same manner as under Dixon's reign, Qantas threw away more money - tons more money, in fighting its workers than it would have cost it to negotiate an agreement that would have satisfied its workers.
They burnt $250M in 2008 fighting a $5M claim.
A happy worker is a productive worker. Good thing for Joyce he isn't penalised for introducing inefficiencies into the workplace!
Once again, in the same manner as under Dixon's reign, Qantas threw away more money - tons more money, in fighting its workers than it would have cost it to negotiate an agreement that would have satisfied its workers.
They burnt $250M in 2008 fighting a $5M claim.
A happy worker is a productive worker. Good thing for Joyce he isn't penalised for introducing inefficiencies into the workplace!
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I'm looking forward to the next round of customer excellence tree hugging sessions. I'm pretty sure that in the next one we will have to get all of the red balls, paint them orange, and explain to the customer that we can no longer supply red balls as they are too expensive and inefficient, and give them the orange ones at a discounted price.
I can't believe that I am starting to think this way. There could be a position on the Qantas board for me if I keep it up!
I can't believe that I am starting to think this way. There could be a position on the Qantas board for me if I keep it up!
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An agreement may sort out your hip pocket blues - but the nasty taste will remain until the Qantas management make genuine amends. The memories of Joyce's ultra destructive tactics will live for a long time.
Once again, in the same manner as under Dixon's reign, Qantas threw away more money - tons more money, in fighting its workers than it would have cost it to negotiate an agreement that would have satisfied its workers.
They burnt $250M in 2008 fighting a $5M claim.
A happy worker is a productive worker. Good thing for Joyce he isn't penalised for introducing inefficiencies into the workplace!
Once again, in the same manner as under Dixon's reign, Qantas threw away more money - tons more money, in fighting its workers than it would have cost it to negotiate an agreement that would have satisfied its workers.
They burnt $250M in 2008 fighting a $5M claim.
A happy worker is a productive worker. Good thing for Joyce he isn't penalised for introducing inefficiencies into the workplace!
We will be back in the courts with these a##h#les before the ink has dried.
Qantas style of management -fight your workers, fight them to the death, they will pay, they will know who the master is and no expense will be spared. Hey, may even send the ALAEA broke.
We will have had our little win, though.
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Sydney Base has just announced a re-shuffle of all the yes men.
Notably Mr Cawthorne has been moved sideways from his role of matey-matey overseas posting supplier.
I believe this is the beginning of the bald mans desire to change things. He wants to take base back to the dark ages by training up all the Supervisors to 330/380 status. What sort of an investment is that when you train up some of your oldest employees to sit in an office and not be involved in the actual maintenance of the aircraft.
Ridiculous.
Notably Mr Cawthorne has been moved sideways from his role of matey-matey overseas posting supplier.
I believe this is the beginning of the bald mans desire to change things. He wants to take base back to the dark ages by training up all the Supervisors to 330/380 status. What sort of an investment is that when you train up some of your oldest employees to sit in an office and not be involved in the actual maintenance of the aircraft.
Ridiculous.