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I am concerned my co workers have been working behind the cyclone wire fence far to long and are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome they may also have been drinking the company Kool Aid.
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Jethro, I have been trying to make sense of your posts here for a while now.
Do you actually work as a LAME ?
You have been anti contracting companies for a long as I can remember.... some of which you obviously knew nothing about.
Many of the guys here are very happy with their life and the flexibility and adaptability they are achieving.
Not everyone wants to have their life waste away while working at the back of one hangar.
Job security may be fine for some.... but there are also horses for courses.
I wonder about your licence coverage because you just seem so out of touch with the hourly rate some of the guys here are getting.
Do you actually work as a LAME ?
You have been anti contracting companies for a long as I can remember.... some of which you obviously knew nothing about.
Many of the guys here are very happy with their life and the flexibility and adaptability they are achieving.
Not everyone wants to have their life waste away while working at the back of one hangar.
Job security may be fine for some.... but there are also horses for courses.
I wonder about your licence coverage because you just seem so out of touch with the hourly rate some of the guys here are getting.
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jethro
mmmmm mate i think you may have been drinking from the company kool aid....stockholm syndrome give it a rest do you guys actually believe all this sh&t like bodies floating past.... get real.The future is somewhat different from what we know of the past and the sooner WE come to grips with it the better.....and dont start on me about change....the young guys out there need a direction for the future and if that means a shift in the way we do things then so be it....I am not for a lowering of standards but there needs to be a change in the way we do things if the young lame's want a long term job....THE RIM
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OK Jethro, I'll bite.
I did notice you answered my question with a question...
Probably says it all..
I am following this Qantas furore, and it does affect me. I have held an Aussie licence for over 15 years (yes, - before TTMA), and I get to work in Aussie and Asia a lot. I operate licences from many countries and get to work in Africa, Asia, the Pacific and even Europe and the Americas.
I have worked for some contracting companies within Oz, including the ones you so ignorantly tried knocking some time back. Indeed I have worked in many places over there, assuming you are in Oz. The working environment has been airline, military and GA. Indeed I have worked for four airlines now and in four different countries.
In over 30 years in the industry you get a feel for what is going on about you. Obviously a mass lay off of qualified staff will have an effect on the employment potential of us all.
Judging by your comments and language it appears you seem to think you are under threat. Getting involved in Company politics and trying to change the world won't help much in that case.
The way to adapt to a changing environment is to pre-empt the situation. Looking at the positives and positioning yourself to make best use of the new world.
I can remember a few of my airline co-workers saying that some of the best career moves they ever made was by taking voluntary redundancy as soon as it was offered.
Many engineers are about to come out of this saga smelling of roses.
For some it will be the best thing that has happened to them as they will discover that people still want to fly.
The industry is expanding all the time despite what the doom merchants are peddling. (Appreciating the cyclic nature of the industry also).
All will be good.
I did notice you answered my question with a question...
Probably says it all..
I am following this Qantas furore, and it does affect me. I have held an Aussie licence for over 15 years (yes, - before TTMA), and I get to work in Aussie and Asia a lot. I operate licences from many countries and get to work in Africa, Asia, the Pacific and even Europe and the Americas.
I have worked for some contracting companies within Oz, including the ones you so ignorantly tried knocking some time back. Indeed I have worked in many places over there, assuming you are in Oz. The working environment has been airline, military and GA. Indeed I have worked for four airlines now and in four different countries.
In over 30 years in the industry you get a feel for what is going on about you. Obviously a mass lay off of qualified staff will have an effect on the employment potential of us all.
Judging by your comments and language it appears you seem to think you are under threat. Getting involved in Company politics and trying to change the world won't help much in that case.
The way to adapt to a changing environment is to pre-empt the situation. Looking at the positives and positioning yourself to make best use of the new world.
I can remember a few of my airline co-workers saying that some of the best career moves they ever made was by taking voluntary redundancy as soon as it was offered.
Many engineers are about to come out of this saga smelling of roses.
For some it will be the best thing that has happened to them as they will discover that people still want to fly.
The industry is expanding all the time despite what the doom merchants are peddling. (Appreciating the cyclic nature of the industry also).
All will be good.
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The future is somewhat different from what we know of the past and the sooner WE come to grips with it the better.....
A cheap and nasty vision for you that I can see happening, or already started.
....I am not for a lowering of standards but there needs to be a change in the way we do things if the young lame's want a long term job....THE RIM
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Let me paint another picture,
Cat A licensed certifiers (holding a CASA Cat A License) will join the ALAEA, because they are "Licensed", join forces with B1 & B2 certifiers in the ALAEA.
Cat A licensed holders get a new pay agreement, close to the B1 or B2 pay but without the knowledge & experience levels of the B1/B2s.
CN is given the boot for strengthening the ALAEA.
QE suffers from loss of experienced certifiers.
Cat A licensed certifiers (holding a CASA Cat A License) will join the ALAEA, because they are "Licensed", join forces with B1 & B2 certifiers in the ALAEA.
Cat A licensed holders get a new pay agreement, close to the B1 or B2 pay but without the knowledge & experience levels of the B1/B2s.
CN is given the boot for strengthening the ALAEA.
QE suffers from loss of experienced certifiers.
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Don't forget every single B1 LAE is an A licence holder and many B2 are or will be as well.
I think the A licence will be far more utilised by B1/B2 holders.
I think you will end up with a B1, with one type and A coverage on the rest of the fleet.
And keep the B2 guys active with A coverage also.
Just like now with transit authorities but will be able to carry out task trained jobs as well.
Why pay AME's A licence money when you have a LAME workforce that can do all the A licence work for nothing.
I think the A licence will be far more utilised by B1/B2 holders.
I think you will end up with a B1, with one type and A coverage on the rest of the fleet.
And keep the B2 guys active with A coverage also.
Just like now with transit authorities but will be able to carry out task trained jobs as well.
Why pay AME's A licence money when you have a LAME workforce that can do all the A licence work for nothing.
A licences will join ALAEA
Short Circuit:
I agree with you 100%. Regardless of what QF tries to do to have other unions cover the A licences, the A licences will realise that joining the ALAEA and B1 B2 licences will be their best option for effective representation. Eventually, the ALAEA will get a seat at the table for the agreement that covers the A licence.
It's called the Australian Licenced Aircraft Engineers Association for a reason.
Cat A licensed certifiers (holding a CASA Cat A License) will join the ALAEA, because they are "Licensed", join forces with B1 & B2 certifiers in the ALAEA.
It's called the Australian Licenced Aircraft Engineers Association for a reason.
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When the "Approval" system was being floated by the company back in the 70's the ALAEA was asked to include AME's as full members, unfortunately the ability to do so was not then in the associations constitution.
Today not all members of the association are LAME's, the precedent has been set so would including those "certifiers" be an issue?
Yeah, I know, shut up and go back to being retired.
Today not all members of the association are LAME's, the precedent has been set so would including those "certifiers" be an issue?
Yeah, I know, shut up and go back to being retired.
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argy bargy stuff with the the a licence guy
what about the f.i. arriving/departing and reporting
tyre cuts between bag throws.
thats the domestic ramp future.
don't hold your breath for t.crew writing up defects, that will be the
last flight and then the bewitching hour, yeh, lots of night work.
like mr nasty said, anyone wants to go, feel free.
fcuk rim, the future aint good.
sell the boys down the drain before jumping ship.
end of the days, who gives a fcuk.
what about the f.i. arriving/departing and reporting
tyre cuts between bag throws.
thats the domestic ramp future.
don't hold your breath for t.crew writing up defects, that will be the
last flight and then the bewitching hour, yeh, lots of night work.
like mr nasty said, anyone wants to go, feel free.
fcuk rim, the future aint good.
sell the boys down the drain before jumping ship.
end of the days, who gives a fcuk.
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I am not selling anyone down the drain just stating facts you guys are the ones jumping at shadows....."the skies falling" look at what happens overseas when they introduced this system.....and if you care to go back thru my old threads on this system you will see what I have said about it,its not the death of LAME's but yes it will slow down the numbers of us in the line maint,which wont effect them that are there now,we are our own worst enemy look back at any time our numbers have been reduced and see what we have done.....remember the "one man transits"......the rim
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I'll share my vision. QE Future, Nasty style.
EA9 signed - VR program, less LAMEs.
MOD introduced - less LAMEs.
Cat A certs introduced - less LAMEs.
JHAS 'assigned' more work - less QE LAMEs.
ALG part timers and casuals - less QE LAMEs.
734, 767, 744 retirements - less LAMEs.
The future is bright. Where do you fit?
EA9 signed - VR program, less LAMEs.
MOD introduced - less LAMEs.
Cat A certs introduced - less LAMEs.
JHAS 'assigned' more work - less QE LAMEs.
ALG part timers and casuals - less QE LAMEs.
734, 767, 744 retirements - less LAMEs.
The future is bright. Where do you fit?
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so jethro...you are now biting the "ALAEA" hand that feeds you ...like I said before look back at history...jethro you are like the guy at the union meeting after the fed ex has told all that they have got a great deal and you only have to come to work every wed to collect your pay....you would ask "what every wed".......times are a changing,I dont like it but they are.....THE RIM......and give Steve P and the boys some credit