Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
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A few interesting points.....
Qantas say the International Operation is loosing money hand over fist, Domestic operation and Jetstar are making money...
So you have Domestic operation, which basically operates on one man transits, turn arounds and pushbacks for B767/B737/A330 and Management want to reduce costs even further and have a LAME less tarmac, no engineer there for the majority of transits (except ETOPS)...
Yet over at the International Terminal...the loss making operation, a single A380 arrives on a 6 hours transit with 14 engineers and 2 to 3 LAME's????
Surely if Qantas Management are going to reduce costs wouldnt you look at the loss making operation first???
If the A380 requires that much manpower to transit the aircraft, why would you by 20 of the Pigs? A quick way to bankruptcy!!!
So to the ALAEA how do you agree and sell this to the Domestic guys, who during the day, transit a variety of aircraft, 737/767/A330 and maintain a high dispatch rate and I am sure the majority fix alot of stuff they see broken and save QF heaps off $$ and help provide a produce to the flying public, yet when they look across the tarmac and see a total loss and a huge waste of manpower to try and provide a produce that isnt paying its way.....
Feel free to shoot me down but the reality of this is substantiated over and over....
Who is more cost effective? A domestic LAME handling between 10 to 12 aircraft per shift or a group of 14 engineers handling one aircraft on a 6 hour transit which is operating heavy discounted fares?
A cold hard look at this LAME less tarmac should be, one aircraft, all aircraft, from B737 thru to the Sky Pig.....How many times has management said new technology requires less maintenance thus the B738 and A380 should have LAME less tarmac handling....
Qantas say the International Operation is loosing money hand over fist, Domestic operation and Jetstar are making money...
So you have Domestic operation, which basically operates on one man transits, turn arounds and pushbacks for B767/B737/A330 and Management want to reduce costs even further and have a LAME less tarmac, no engineer there for the majority of transits (except ETOPS)...
Yet over at the International Terminal...the loss making operation, a single A380 arrives on a 6 hours transit with 14 engineers and 2 to 3 LAME's????
Surely if Qantas Management are going to reduce costs wouldnt you look at the loss making operation first???
If the A380 requires that much manpower to transit the aircraft, why would you by 20 of the Pigs? A quick way to bankruptcy!!!
So to the ALAEA how do you agree and sell this to the Domestic guys, who during the day, transit a variety of aircraft, 737/767/A330 and maintain a high dispatch rate and I am sure the majority fix alot of stuff they see broken and save QF heaps off $$ and help provide a produce to the flying public, yet when they look across the tarmac and see a total loss and a huge waste of manpower to try and provide a produce that isnt paying its way.....
Feel free to shoot me down but the reality of this is substantiated over and over....
Who is more cost effective? A domestic LAME handling between 10 to 12 aircraft per shift or a group of 14 engineers handling one aircraft on a 6 hour transit which is operating heavy discounted fares?
A cold hard look at this LAME less tarmac should be, one aircraft, all aircraft, from B737 thru to the Sky Pig.....How many times has management said new technology requires less maintenance thus the B738 and A380 should have LAME less tarmac handling....
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airsupport i have not chucked the towel in,while you were overseas working,and more than likely working under the conditions we are trying to stop I was here working against CASA and ALL the other operators in an industry review[including people from AN] before the new reg's were IN draft form,so its a bit of a smack in the face to say I have thrown the towel in...however I have seen first hand how these operators[not just qf]work,and now we have a situation where at the dom and int ramps we have QF on one bay and another operator next to them operating differently.....AND I SAY I DONT AGREE WITH IT BUT ITS THE WAY WE ARE HEADED....so what can we do....well how about putting some checks in there so it can operate safely...because IMHO I dont think we can stop it....The Rim
Yes I worked off shore quite a lot later in my career, but ONLY with Aussie registered aircraft and operating under the CASA system with my CASA Licence.
I was in the USA on one of the contracts when Virgin Blue started up and could NOT believe they decided to have LAMEless tarmacs.
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I was in the USA on one of the contracts when Virgin Blue started up and could NOT believe they decided to have LAMEless tarmacs. 
Thanks Airsupport.. Care to back that up with any facts?
Thanks Airsupport.. Care to back that up with any facts?
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If the A380 requires that much manpower to transit the aircraft, why would you by 20 of the Pigs? A quick way to bankruptcy!!!
Just a guess...
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Romulus why defend or make a position when you clearly havent a clue what your talking about.Definate management material.The A380 chews up more manpower than any other aircraft.Of course you can go with less but the hold items will increase and the customer satisfaction level will decrease.Previous and current management havent a clue what is actually required manpower wise to push this aircraft through each port.All they are concerned about is lowering the cost.The board should be horrified that so many fools are actually trying and failing to run this business.Most if not all things introduced that actually work have been through the actions of the guys on the floor.Every time a manager decides to try his hand he fails dismally.
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I was in the USA on one of the contracts when Virgin Blue started up and could NOT believe they decided to have LAMEless tarmacs.
Thanks Airsupport.. Care to back that up with any facts?
Thanks Airsupport.. Care to back that up with any facts?
How can anyone NOT understand that.
The people at Virgin HQ in England were in contact with me when I was working in the USA about helping them start up in Australia, however I lost interest when I found out they were to be a LCC with LAMEless tarmacs and NO LAMEs on turnrounds, that was against everything I valued.
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Lame1 ,too true. In the last 10 odd years I have seen line after line of clueless
Yes men come thru as managers implementing there so called change for the better and guess what? It never worked . I could go on for hrs giving examples of ludicrous decisions that saved pennies at the time but had massive back end costs. I have been involved in managers meeting that made me feel sick at the absolute fantasy getting thrown around and the even worse decisions getting made on the back of incorrect and even missleading information!
I do however take comfort in the fact that when the ref blows the whistle and it is game on, the other team has given us all the ammo to reap havoc.
it is called the PPM. It is the document put together by empire builders trying
To further there own careers. I wonder wether our IR dept has read and moreso digested the contents of that document because it contains the info to prevent any flight leaving on time or at all!
So bring it on I say and thanks to all the incompetent fools who wrote the PPM
I wonder what new low the share price will hit today and to our exec,
Keep up the good work
Yes men come thru as managers implementing there so called change for the better and guess what? It never worked . I could go on for hrs giving examples of ludicrous decisions that saved pennies at the time but had massive back end costs. I have been involved in managers meeting that made me feel sick at the absolute fantasy getting thrown around and the even worse decisions getting made on the back of incorrect and even missleading information!
I do however take comfort in the fact that when the ref blows the whistle and it is game on, the other team has given us all the ammo to reap havoc.
it is called the PPM. It is the document put together by empire builders trying
To further there own careers. I wonder wether our IR dept has read and moreso digested the contents of that document because it contains the info to prevent any flight leaving on time or at all!
So bring it on I say and thanks to all the incompetent fools who wrote the PPM
I wonder what new low the share price will hit today and to our exec,
Keep up the good work
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Romulus why defend or make a position when you clearly havent a clue what your talking about
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Originally Posted by lame1
"I think you may find they're training up a crew to handle rather more of the fleet than the current number. i.e. planning ahead"
The numbers quoted are required to work on this lastest piece "new technology",you show your lack of experience and knowledge in the industry by (a) having a guess (b)suggesting that more manpower than needed is being used to carrry out the work.
Our old manager believed only 24 LAME's were needed .The current manager thinks someone with a CAT A is a better option than a experienced LAME.Id say you would fit in nicely as the third muppet.
The numbers quoted are required to work on this lastest piece "new technology",you show your lack of experience and knowledge in the industry by (a) having a guess (b)suggesting that more manpower than needed is being used to carrry out the work.
Our old manager believed only 24 LAME's were needed .The current manager thinks someone with a CAT A is a better option than a experienced LAME.Id say you would fit in nicely as the third muppet.
But what is quite clear is that you're a bitter, close minded individual.
As for having a guess, well, I'm assuming on that basis you are 100% fully informed or you are also having a guess. And you are a hypocrite. That's probably it, kind of screams out of you really.
Based on what I do know more manpower than is absolutely needed is being used. Logically that doesn't happen in a cost cutting environment without a reason. It would appear logical that, when a new type is intorduced, you use more labour than is absolutely necessary up front so you have trained, experienced people ready for further aircraft entering service.
Of course, your bitterness won't let you admit the logic of this, you'll have a nice tanty, the knickers will have a further twist or two added and you'll whinge and bitch about how terrible it all is.
But you won't do anything, you'll just be a mouth.
Seriously, if it's that bad then get out. Do something else. Grow up at the very least.
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I think you may find they're training up a crew to handle rather more of the fleet than the current number. i.e. planning ahead.
Just a guess...
Above is your previous post in case you cant remember
Romulus,
The numbers quoted are required to work on this lastest piece "new technology",you show your lack of experience and knowledge in the industry by (a) having a guess (b)suggesting that more manpower than needed is being used to carrry out the work at the moment.Of course you can use less manpower but that will decrease the amount of rectification that would be carried out during the port visit which will also effect the customers next experience on the subsequent flight/s.
Our old manager believed only 24 LAME's were needed .The current manager thinks someone with a CAT A is a better option than a experienced LAME.Id say you would fit in nicely as the third muppet. Rule 1 -Dont guess ,Rule 2- Find a industry to work in you actually understand.
Just a guess...
Above is your previous post in case you cant remember
Romulus,
The numbers quoted are required to work on this lastest piece "new technology",you show your lack of experience and knowledge in the industry by (a) having a guess (b)suggesting that more manpower than needed is being used to carrry out the work at the moment.Of course you can use less manpower but that will decrease the amount of rectification that would be carried out during the port visit which will also effect the customers next experience on the subsequent flight/s.
Our old manager believed only 24 LAME's were needed .The current manager thinks someone with a CAT A is a better option than a experienced LAME.Id say you would fit in nicely as the third muppet. Rule 1 -Dont guess ,Rule 2- Find a industry to work in you actually understand.
Well the old manager(s) were complete and utter fwits, and the current managers aren't much better.
Look where the old managers are now, playing with over sized train sets.
The current manager will probably join them if they don't show some real progress to move"the business forward".
Look where the old managers are now, playing with over sized train sets.
The current manager will probably join them if they don't show some real progress to move"the business forward".
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A typically closed minded, egotistical response to a situation in which you find yourself totally out of your depth lame1.
At least you and your similarly minded "friends" will be condembed to the same fate as the dinosaurs.
I'm not saying I agree with the QF view at all but rather that simply saying it's stupid won't fix it.
At least you and your similarly minded "friends" will be condembed to the same fate as the dinosaurs.
I'm not saying I agree with the QF view at all but rather that simply saying it's stupid won't fix it.
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Originally Posted by lame1
The numbers quoted are required to work on this lastest piece "new technology",you show your lack of experience and knowledge in the industry by (a) having a guess (b)suggesting that more manpower than needed is being used to carrry out the work at the moment.Of course you can use less manpower but that will decrease the amount of rectification that would be carried out during the port visit which will also effect the customers next experience on the subsequent flight/s.
Our old manager believed only 24 LAME's were needed .The current manager thinks someone with a CAT A is a better option than a experienced LAME.Id say you would fit in nicely as the third muppet. Rule 1 -Dont guess ,Rule 2- Find a industry to work in you actually understand.
Our old manager believed only 24 LAME's were needed .The current manager thinks someone with a CAT A is a better option than a experienced LAME.Id say you would fit in nicely as the third muppet. Rule 1 -Dont guess ,Rule 2- Find a industry to work in you actually understand.
Far better than the predicted tanty and getting your knickers in a twist!
Congrats lame1, you just sciored a perfect 10 from all the judges in the "sad, sad, little man" contest.
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Advertiseing for every where The End is Nigh no need to wait till 24 it has begun the battle that had not begun is lost.
Advertiseing for every where The End is Nigh no need to wait till 24 it has begun the battle that had not begun is lost.
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LAME less tarmac is been put in through the back door at Q-link BNE
They have made most LAMEs there redundant so that the ones that are left can not physically do all the receive and dispatch as well as any defects that may occur and on top of daily ramp inspection, so there are now currently 6 AME scabs and growing
Silly thing is they are paying more money to the scabs than a fully licensed LAME go figure
They have made most LAMEs there redundant so that the ones that are left can not physically do all the receive and dispatch as well as any defects that may occur and on top of daily ramp inspection, so there are now currently 6 AME scabs and growing
Silly thing is they are paying more money to the scabs than a fully licensed LAME go figure
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Amos2 I am concerned that is why I posted as a caution. As a potential back door for big Q to get a LAME less tarmac. Be aware of bulk engineering redundancy to reduce the number so they cant possible cope with the workload and bring outsource labour in. That way the engineers left still retain their function as per the EA and the company gets next to a lame less push backs
This is just a thought I may be wrong and I don’t know the EA for Q other than what I have pick up here but please correct me if I am wrong but didn't they do something similar to the flight attendance not to far back?
This is just a thought I may be wrong and I don’t know the EA for Q other than what I have pick up here but please correct me if I am wrong but didn't they do something similar to the flight attendance not to far back?