Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
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I wouldn't say our last EBA was crap! The 2008 you mean?
I know this will get some bites, BUT, think of what we have gained since the new Union has been elected! We're still not waiting to fight another day. How many times did we hear that from the previous Union.
I will stand by this Union!
I know this will get some bites, BUT, think of what we have gained since the new Union has been elected! We're still not waiting to fight another day. How many times did we hear that from the previous Union.
I will stand by this Union!
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Who got a crap deal last EBA because of the threats by qantas to send the work elsewhere some of which went anyway.
The ALAEA did not support a yes vote on the last Avalon deal. The other unions did. The workforce voted for acceptance against our advice so don't blame us.
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There will always be disention, But what most members fail to understand is they are the union.
It's not about the dog in the fight, but the fight in the dog and if you don't mind me saying your a mongrel.
All of the ALAEA has endured and fought to the end. Please enjoy an Xmas break
There will always be disention, But what most members fail to understand is they are the union.
It's not about the dog in the fight, but the fight in the dog and if you don't mind me saying your a mongrel.
All of the ALAEA has endured and fought to the end. Please enjoy an Xmas break
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A fantastic effort under the most adverse circumstances.
The EA outcome will do little to deter the destructive path chosen by Q. Destructive, in the sense that it ignores, in fact, rejects the expertise at hand and chooses to destroy a tradition, culture and pursuit of the highest level of aviation maintenance, to save a buck.
The cheapest tender will always win. This management has no moral. Their shortsightedness violates the fabric of our profession. Their KPIs and bonuses, a priority.
My pessimism stems from the fact that they will maintain the fight to the death because it is not their money they are burning.
There is and has been little attempt to grow our Engineering business, their energy and resources are devoted to crush us and our Association.
A fantastic effort under the most adverse circumstances.
The EA outcome will do little to deter the destructive path chosen by Q. Destructive, in the sense that it ignores, in fact, rejects the expertise at hand and chooses to destroy a tradition, culture and pursuit of the highest level of aviation maintenance, to save a buck.
The cheapest tender will always win. This management has no moral. Their shortsightedness violates the fabric of our profession. Their KPIs and bonuses, a priority.
My pessimism stems from the fact that they will maintain the fight to the death because it is not their money they are burning.
There is and has been little attempt to grow our Engineering business, their energy and resources are devoted to crush us and our Association.
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Have the road shows finished ? Cant remember the time line.
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Originally Posted by ALAEA Fed Sec
Still counting................
What does that mean ?
ST
Originally Posted by ALAEA Fed Sec
Still counting................
What does that mean ?
ST
Did you attend ST? I hope you did and had a say, otherwise if you didn't get to one of the meetings, your fate rests in the hands of those that did.
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As I understood it SP was going to put "The Proposal" to the company today and they were going to tell us whether or not they will accept it ?
My impression from the meeting was that "The Proposal" was our "wish list" that we were (reasonably) "confident" (hopeful ??) that the company would accept ?
ST
My impression from the meeting was that "The Proposal" was our "wish list" that we were (reasonably) "confident" (hopeful ??) that the company would accept ?
ST
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I think Steve means he's still counting the votes of those that attended meetings over the last couple of weeks around the country as to whether they wanted the ALAEA to put their proposition forward on behalf of the members or not.
The vote was not a formal one and I suspect we won't get a formal answer to the result of that vote.
An announcement from both QF and the ALAEA on the other hand would be welcome.
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IF, and that's a big IF, Qantas and the ALAEA have come to an agreement outside arbitration, I would suggest some sort of announcement will be prior to Christmas.
Interested to hear FedSec's views........
Interested to hear FedSec's views........
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Mon 19th announcement
Qantas engineers happy but pilots, handlers fight on
See what happens at Fair Work (choices) Australia later today....
QANTAS has reached an agreement with one of the three unions at the centre of the protracted industrial dispute that led to the grounding of the airline's fleet.
Qantas and its licensed aircraft engineers go before Fair Work Australia today, having settled on key issues following arbitration. However, the union failed to secure the construction of an A380 maintenance hangar in Australia as part of its fight for members' job security.
The agreement marks a significant milestone in the bitter dispute that prompted Qantas to ground its fleet in October, but the airline remains at loggerheads with its ground staff and long-haul pilots over conditions, job security and pay.
Earlier this year, the federal secretary of the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association, Steve Purvinas, predicted a drawn-out dispute with Qantas and promised to ''bake them slowly'' with industrial action.
But, since Qantas took the unprecedented step of grounding its aircraft, all parties have been forced into binding arbitration.
Of the three groups in dispute with Qantas, the engineers were considered the most likely to resolve their differences. It could still be some weeks, however, before an agreement is finalised by the industrial umpire.
''We will be submitting an agreed workplace determination to Fair Work Australia that represents a good deal for Qantas and its 1600 licensed engineers,'' a Qantas spokesman said.
''All the key issues have been addressed through the arbitration process with the licensed engineers' union and we are very pleased to have finally reached an agreement. It does not include any of the claims that would have restricted Qantas in making the changes needed to compete in the global aviation industry.''
Mr Purvinas declined to comment ahead of today's Fair Work hearing.
The airline's disagreement with its long-haul pilots and baggage handlers is set to run into next year, with Fair Work Australia to hear the dispute with the Australian and International Pilots Association in June.
Meanwhile, a legal challenge by the long-haul pilots against Fair Work's decision to terminate their protected industrial action against Qantas will be fast-tracked in the Federal Court and could begin as early as February.
The vice-president of the pilots' union, Richard Woodward, said it would rather negotiate an in-principle agreement with Qantas than go to workplace determination. ''Hopefully as [Qantas and the union] go through the process of refining our claims we might come to an agreed position,'' he said.
The international arm of Qantas was ''shrinking considerably'' as jobs were sent offshore. ''We're concerned about the future of our young pilots,'' Mr Woodward said. ''We'd hate to see them made redundant from Qantas while [the airline] expands overseas.''
The dispute between Qantas and the Transport Workers Union, which represents baggage handlers, is set down before the full bench of Fair Work in March, with job security remaining a key issue of contention.
''We remain committed to the separate arbitration processes with the pilots' union and Transport Workers Union and are hopeful of reaching a positive outcome in each case,'' a Qantas spokesman said (I wonder who said that)
Read more: Qantas engineers happy but pilots, handlers fight on
Qantas and its licensed aircraft engineers go before Fair Work Australia today, having settled on key issues following arbitration. However, the union failed to secure the construction of an A380 maintenance hangar in Australia as part of its fight for members' job security.
The agreement marks a significant milestone in the bitter dispute that prompted Qantas to ground its fleet in October, but the airline remains at loggerheads with its ground staff and long-haul pilots over conditions, job security and pay.
Earlier this year, the federal secretary of the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association, Steve Purvinas, predicted a drawn-out dispute with Qantas and promised to ''bake them slowly'' with industrial action.
But, since Qantas took the unprecedented step of grounding its aircraft, all parties have been forced into binding arbitration.
Of the three groups in dispute with Qantas, the engineers were considered the most likely to resolve their differences. It could still be some weeks, however, before an agreement is finalised by the industrial umpire.
''We will be submitting an agreed workplace determination to Fair Work Australia that represents a good deal for Qantas and its 1600 licensed engineers,'' a Qantas spokesman said.
''All the key issues have been addressed through the arbitration process with the licensed engineers' union and we are very pleased to have finally reached an agreement. It does not include any of the claims that would have restricted Qantas in making the changes needed to compete in the global aviation industry.''
Mr Purvinas declined to comment ahead of today's Fair Work hearing.
The airline's disagreement with its long-haul pilots and baggage handlers is set to run into next year, with Fair Work Australia to hear the dispute with the Australian and International Pilots Association in June.
Meanwhile, a legal challenge by the long-haul pilots against Fair Work's decision to terminate their protected industrial action against Qantas will be fast-tracked in the Federal Court and could begin as early as February.
The vice-president of the pilots' union, Richard Woodward, said it would rather negotiate an in-principle agreement with Qantas than go to workplace determination. ''Hopefully as [Qantas and the union] go through the process of refining our claims we might come to an agreed position,'' he said.
The international arm of Qantas was ''shrinking considerably'' as jobs were sent offshore. ''We're concerned about the future of our young pilots,'' Mr Woodward said. ''We'd hate to see them made redundant from Qantas while [the airline] expands overseas.''
The dispute between Qantas and the Transport Workers Union, which represents baggage handlers, is set down before the full bench of Fair Work in March, with job security remaining a key issue of contention.
''We remain committed to the separate arbitration processes with the pilots' union and Transport Workers Union and are hopeful of reaching a positive outcome in each case,'' a Qantas spokesman said (I wonder who said that)
Read more: Qantas engineers happy but pilots, handlers fight on
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It does not include any of the claims that would have restricted Qantas in making the changes needed to compete in the global aviation industry.
Can't wait for our official notice this arvo.
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IF that story is true, then it is very sad. 
I thought (hoped) the main thing you were fighting for was to keep Qantas Australian and to keep jobs primarily IN Australia, apparently not.
I thought (hoped) the main thing you were fighting for was to keep Qantas Australian and to keep jobs primarily IN Australia, apparently not.
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qantas pr hacks would spin WWII as a victory for the axis powers no matter what the facts are.
They can say what they like if jobs and safety are preserved.
They did the same last time around even though they squandered a bleeding fortune and the alaea largely got what they wanted which was quite reasonable as it was this time.
I too look forward to news from Bexley
They can say what they like if jobs and safety are preserved.
They did the same last time around even though they squandered a bleeding fortune and the alaea largely got what they wanted which was quite reasonable as it was this time.
I too look forward to news from Bexley