Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
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QF may be feeling pretty smug right now but the game is not over yet.
I still have 100 percent support for the ALAEA and a renewed hatred of
QF management and especially that fraud in charge.
I still have 100 percent support for the ALAEA and a renewed hatred of
QF management and especially that fraud in charge.
There's still plenty of room up the front of the queue.
Ahhhhhhh, don't you just love the smell of a freshly cleaned toilet.
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Can someone explain to me how the Federal government pushing other airlines (Eitihad etc) to fill any gaps from Qantas is going to protect my job in the future. I appreciate they have been made look very foolish but they are now protecting their own backsides by parading us in front of the firing squad. The sooner those clowns get the boot the better!
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So it would seem that Qantas's grounding of the fleet was not only an attempt to smash the unions, but to also embarrass and destabilise the government. AJ is the bad guy, and LC hides behind his skirt so we don't see the blood all over his hands. These guys would love a Liberal government back so they can ensure that workers rights are a thing of the past.
When will the Australian public wake up and realise they are being lied to by these corporate scum, so that the workers of Australia can toil to keep them in the luxury they have become so used to. When I hear these people labelling unions (workers) as greedy, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Every job in this country that is outsourced for their greed, is another person who can spend their days sitting in Martin Place. I believe the French monarchs used to believe that they were untouchable also.
When will the Australian public wake up and realise they are being lied to by these corporate scum, so that the workers of Australia can toil to keep them in the luxury they have become so used to. When I hear these people labelling unions (workers) as greedy, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Every job in this country that is outsourced for their greed, is another person who can spend their days sitting in Martin Place. I believe the French monarchs used to believe that they were untouchable also.
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One would think, by now that the Liberal Party and their greedy corporate backers would have given up smashing the workers.
The one and only reason they were voted out was WORKCHOICES.
They should have learned the lesson that the people will not accept total corporate control of their wages and conditions.
The way the Liberal Party are posturing at the moment suggests that they will never return to power and no matter what they say, they are in this disgraceful attempt to destroy wages and conditions for all Australian workers, up to there eyeballs.
Wake up to the reality that Qantas workers are well aware of what is transpiring and will not allow it to happen.
The one and only reason they were voted out was WORKCHOICES.
They should have learned the lesson that the people will not accept total corporate control of their wages and conditions.
The way the Liberal Party are posturing at the moment suggests that they will never return to power and no matter what they say, they are in this disgraceful attempt to destroy wages and conditions for all Australian workers, up to there eyeballs.
Wake up to the reality that Qantas workers are well aware of what is transpiring and will not allow it to happen.
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Some good has come out of Qantas' grounding of the fleet. Between the "lock out" letter received Sunday, and today's "back to work" letter, Lie-all has made me a Long Haul Pilot.
I was happy as an engineer spending my $170,000 but look forward to that moving up to $500,000.
I take back those horrible thoughts that I had about my CEO(gag) when he, in public forums, was abusing dedicated, competent staff. I do believe I could takeoff ok in whatever aircraft they assign to me when I turn up to QCC on my first day, but believe that I would become a kamikaze when trying to land.
With the competence this management team display, I'm amazed that I didn't receive Bruce's fleet grounding decision letter last Wednesday just after he wrote it!!
I was happy as an engineer spending my $170,000 but look forward to that moving up to $500,000.
I take back those horrible thoughts that I had about my CEO(gag) when he, in public forums, was abusing dedicated, competent staff. I do believe I could takeoff ok in whatever aircraft they assign to me when I turn up to QCC on my first day, but believe that I would become a kamikaze when trying to land.
With the competence this management team display, I'm amazed that I didn't receive Bruce's fleet grounding decision letter last Wednesday just after he wrote it!!
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Did anyone else hear JB from Virgin Australia today?
He told the media in response to a question, "We pay our engineers more than Qantas"
You VA guys are lucky, you seem to be part of the solution, rather than the problem.
He told the media in response to a question, "We pay our engineers more than Qantas"
You VA guys are lucky, you seem to be part of the solution, rather than the problem.
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AJ stood up on the TV the other day and said the board made the decision to lock us all out because Qantas was suffering a "DEATH FROM A THOUSAND CUTS". These same clowns have been CUTTING whatever they can from the company and outsourcing at every opportunity they get.
Maybe it would have been more accurate to say that Qantas is suffering a death from a hand full of C#%TS!!!
Maybe it would have been more accurate to say that Qantas is suffering a death from a hand full of C#%TS!!!
Its all right for you guys going from $170k to $500k but spare a thought for the poor pilots - a large number of whom have gone from $500k to $170k and are now searching Bunnings for left handed screw drivers. Any chance of you listing some on ebay, we are keen to get to work asap and prove just what a lazy bunch of militant unionists you lot are - but we can't turn up without the correct screwdrivers, we'd just look silly...
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Just received a letter telling me all PIA is terminated and I can return as a long haul pilot. This letter also stated it was a follow up to a previous letter which has still not arrived. I rang the 1300 number to thank them for the pay rise only to be told it was just an administrative error. I wonder if that excuse would work if I undertorqued the fuse pins on the next pylon I install.
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Back to the cockpit for me too. Not sure if the 20 odd hours in a 172 and the couple of engine run sims makes me qualified but I'll give it a crack.
Also find it interesting that the lockout notice dated 29th October managed to arrive on the 30th with no prior preparation apparently but it took until 3rd November for the back to work letter to arrive dated 31st October.
Also find it interesting that the lockout notice dated 29th October managed to arrive on the 30th with no prior preparation apparently but it took until 3rd November for the back to work letter to arrive dated 31st October.
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Some truths at last
Just to clarify, your quotes for Virgin LAME's is absolute top end only, and is no where near the average. They have stopped the B1 gap training due to cost so most B1 guys are restricted and not on that money.
Significantly it is also based on a 40hr average week so there is a built in overtime component worth around 10k per year.
Significantly it is also based on a 40hr average week so there is a built in overtime component worth around 10k per year.
While as quoted above J.B may be marginally off the mark for the overall average LAME pay at VA it is far more accurate that the pure lies and gross overstatements that AJ, Tokyo Rose and the spin kings have been feeding to the media in recent months and continually re-quoted by the likes of Peter Harbison (do some research you fool) just the other day.
Congratulations to Neil Wilson who quoted J.B in the Herald Sun today on P67 however he may be just as liable as the aforementioned journo.
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Julia Gillard has intervened in the Qantas dispute Time to Assume the Crash position 21 days with FWA which will most likley extend another 21 days and then a crap deal will be enforced on everyone by FWA.
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Steve (Fedsec),
Watched on line your appearance at the Senate the other day, very good job you did too.
Just curious, I gather from that your major concerns in these negotiations with Qantas is NOT money at all, but the outsourcing of jobs, in particular off shore, is this correct?
IF so then what has changed so much with Government policies, YES I know people are going to tell me different times, different Governments and I belong back with the Dinosaurs
however, many years ago (I cannot remember the exact year) Ansett planned to send one of our Carvairs to Hong Kong to be overhauled, it was also taking with it all sorts of spares from various aircraft to be overhauled, it was planned to become a regular thing to save money for Ansett.
The Government of the day stepped in, and prevented this from happening in the National Interest, they said Australia needed to maintain all this work and experience IN Australia in case there was any threats/wars etc, and this in the day when not only Ansett but TAA and Qantas were also doing all this work IN Australia.
So what has changed so much since then?
Qantas is now basically as far as I know the ONLY ones doing all this work IN Australia, and if anything the World is now an even more dangerous place since 9/11 etc, so how on Earth could any current Government allow all this work, expertise and knowledge to be lost to Australia just to save a few dollars especially when the same thing was blocked years ago in the National Interest when Qantas was NOT the only one doing this work?
Watched on line your appearance at the Senate the other day, very good job you did too.
Just curious, I gather from that your major concerns in these negotiations with Qantas is NOT money at all, but the outsourcing of jobs, in particular off shore, is this correct?
IF so then what has changed so much with Government policies, YES I know people are going to tell me different times, different Governments and I belong back with the Dinosaurs
however, many years ago (I cannot remember the exact year) Ansett planned to send one of our Carvairs to Hong Kong to be overhauled, it was also taking with it all sorts of spares from various aircraft to be overhauled, it was planned to become a regular thing to save money for Ansett.The Government of the day stepped in, and prevented this from happening in the National Interest, they said Australia needed to maintain all this work and experience IN Australia in case there was any threats/wars etc, and this in the day when not only Ansett but TAA and Qantas were also doing all this work IN Australia.
So what has changed so much since then?
Qantas is now basically as far as I know the ONLY ones doing all this work IN Australia, and if anything the World is now an even more dangerous place since 9/11 etc, so how on Earth could any current Government allow all this work, expertise and knowledge to be lost to Australia just to save a few dollars especially when the same thing was blocked years ago in the National Interest when Qantas was NOT the only one doing this work?
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Qantas has announced a $20 million free give away of tickets to those passengers affected by the Qantas grounding. Also, reimbursment of any additional ticket costs incurred with buying a ticket on another airline. Also, FF points free give aways to be announced. This brings the direct cost to Qantas to $50 million+ for the grounding. Plus, all the many indirect $$$ costs of this one Qantas management action.
A question for the union reps? What would have been the yearly cost to Qantas if management had given to your union what had been asked for on your EBA negotiations? I haven't seen any projected costings on this. Only AJ's comment on justification "of not allowing Qantas dying a death of a thousand cuts".
A question for the union reps? What would have been the yearly cost to Qantas if management had given to your union what had been asked for on your EBA negotiations? I haven't seen any projected costings on this. Only AJ's comment on justification "of not allowing Qantas dying a death of a thousand cuts".