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The roadshow propaganda
A couple of guys I know went to the roadshow and were told that the package for a first year FO was worth about 68K!! They even included a 2K charge for "airport carparking" in the package. They were also told one overnight a week. This is far from the truth I assume?
Deafstar, Thanks for pointing out that they are in trouble right now. Not soon.
Deafstar, Thanks for pointing out that they are in trouble right now. Not soon.
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Hmmm, $68K package. Let me see, approx. $56K (from 1 July 08) for a Q400 first year FO base salary, plus 9% super, and about $8K allowances, let me see... hey $69K, pretty close. Of course if you are not on the Q400 then take about $4K off the base.
I'm surprised they didn't try to equate an equivalent salary based on the tax free allowances (i.e. add about 30% to the allowance figure
)
Have heard from a mate that the overnights range from 4 to 8 per 28 day roster, so 1 per week is feasible (but how likely???)
I'm surprised they didn't try to equate an equivalent salary based on the tax free allowances (i.e. add about 30% to the allowance figure
)Have heard from a mate that the overnights range from 4 to 8 per 28 day roster, so 1 per week is feasible (but how likely???)
Let me see?
First they envoke "worlds best practice" by charging for endorsements.
Now they give the appearance of a much higher salary by including Super, carpark fees!, and apparently anything else they can think of. These characters couldn't lie straight in bed!
Untill they come to grips with the fact that it is they, and this sort of bullsh!t that is responsible for this crisis, then this crisis will continue.
Tread carefully boys and girls, things aren't always what they seem.
First they envoke "worlds best practice" by charging for endorsements.
Now they give the appearance of a much higher salary by including Super, carpark fees!, and apparently anything else they can think of. These characters couldn't lie straight in bed!
Untill they come to grips with the fact that it is they, and this sort of bullsh!t that is responsible for this crisis, then this crisis will continue.
Tread carefully boys and girls, things aren't always what they seem.
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Agree with you there OpsNormal.
Know of several who senior schooled pre 1990 and despite 1000's of real world hours and experience have received the same letter from an office in the bowels of somewhere.
These are typically the settled down type who are happy to stay put (mostly for family reasons).
If you can't even get an interview then you don't get a chance to tell them that!!
Know of several who senior schooled pre 1990 and despite 1000's of real world hours and experience have received the same letter from an office in the bowels of somewhere.
These are typically the settled down type who are happy to stay put (mostly for family reasons).
If you can't even get an interview then you don't get a chance to tell them that!!
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Yeah, the base salary is $51,174 (FO). The company are ensuring they get their pound of flesh by flying you at max hours - being 75/month (900/year). Absolute minimum rest in-between overnights. After 5 sectors (10 hours duty with your ass strapped to the seat), taxi in round 8:30pm / arrive hotel after 9pm (find time for a proper dinner), alarm set to wake you up at 5am / meet at motel reception at 5:45am / a/c walk around by 0600 / taxiing by 0630 - for another 3 sectors and sign off round midday. Count on doing 2 overnights per week (8 per 28day roster) in between the single flying days during that week. They flog you like a dead horse. Beware! And this starts from day one training with no time for consolidation.
And no matter who tells you that there is progression between QL and QF, - do NOT believe them.
This has been a snapshot into the day of the life of a QL FO.
Brought to you by 'Bendover' - a quality Pineapple on entry! - Ouch!
And no matter who tells you that there is progression between QL and QF, - do NOT believe them.
This has been a snapshot into the day of the life of a QL FO.
Brought to you by 'Bendover' - a quality Pineapple on entry! - Ouch!
Brought to you by 'Bendover' - a quality Pineapple on entry! - Ouch!
Does this mean that if you are used to being "pineappled" already in the lower aviation ranks you'll have a better chance acclimatising to life as a QL FO?
Does this mean that if you are used to being "pineappled" already in the lower aviation ranks you'll have a better chance acclimatising to life as a QL FO?
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From RYAN TCAD
5th November 2007, 05:33 "Rex suspends maryborough services too "
From RYAN TCAD
Today
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Nice to see its taken you barely 6 months for you to be whinging about your vastly better "T's&C's" Ryan.
Now remind me again about this "KNOB factor" and how "one perceives you"?
Poor baby.
5th November 2007, 05:33 "Rex suspends maryborough services too "
In my previous posts on the REX canels Cooma service thread, i made a few points of view from my experiences of which Shapeshifter took it upon himself to carefully choose a few of - twist them - give it a shake and shift them - then try to make himself look all cool by stating that their recruitment team got it right when they knocked me back!
He needs to wake up and realise that he would not be in this position if he had better T's&C's.Pilots are leaving REX in bigger numbers first because they have the WORST pay and conditions compared to other regionals in their calibre.
Fortunately for me however, i did not place all my eggs into one basket, secondly i was rejected by REX and thirdly - i was accepted into QF Link for their course the following week.
BTW - read GoNorth's post about the pay after 10K for endorsement Shapeshifter. Learn from this. And next time you think about writing real drivel, think twice about the 'KNOB' factor and how one perceives you.
BTW - read GoNorth's post about the pay after 10K for endorsement Shapeshifter. Learn from this. And next time you think about writing real drivel, think twice about the 'KNOB' factor and how one perceives you.
Today
They flog you like a dead horse. Beware! And this starts from day one training with no time for consolidation.
And no matter who tells you that there is progression between QL and QF, - do NOT believe them.
This has been a snapshot into the day of the life of a QL FO.
Brought to you by 'Bendover' - a quality Pineapple on entry! - Ouch!
And no matter who tells you that there is progression between QL and QF, - do NOT believe them.
This has been a snapshot into the day of the life of a QL FO.
Brought to you by 'Bendover' - a quality Pineapple on entry! - Ouch!
Nice to see its taken you barely 6 months for you to be whinging about your vastly better "T's&C's" Ryan.
Now remind me again about this "KNOB factor" and how "one perceives you"?
Poor baby.
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Oh and BTW, you only get one full Sat/Sun weekend in a 28 day roster!
My understanding is Sunnies is one weekend per 6 weeks (where practicable, but with caveats on average weekends of per year).
Neither are particularly family-friendly IMHO.
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My duty times run at close to max for the first fortnight and about half that for the second fortnight in our 28 day roster period. We do about 350 flying hours per year in a job that would be equal to the military security wise. We do work quite long shifts at times with late finishes and the only overtime we get is a call in allowance for an RDO. Pay is now about mid 80's due to a surprise pay increase across the board which has been well received.
I think Qlink & J* would be a great job, both should be very secure the only danger would be fuel prices. Hopefully fuel is not as big an issue as it looks as it has the potential to shutdown any operator. I would like to try RPT flying for a change and a new challenge but if it doesn't come my way thats fine also.
My duty times run at close to max for the first fortnight and about half that for the second fortnight in our 28 day roster period. We do about 350 flying hours per year in a job that would be equal to the military security wise. We do work quite long shifts at times with late finishes and the only overtime we get is a call in allowance for an RDO. Pay is now about mid 80's due to a surprise pay increase across the board which has been well received.
I think Qlink & J* would be a great job, both should be very secure the only danger would be fuel prices. Hopefully fuel is not as big an issue as it looks as it has the potential to shutdown any operator. I would like to try RPT flying for a change and a new challenge but if it doesn't come my way thats fine also.
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flying max hours
Just adding to RYAN TCAD's post:
This is more often 10 months @ 90 per month when you consider there is nearly 8 weeks, or more, down time per year with rec/sick leave, sims (which do not count towards the 900 total) and the odd ground school (CRM and EPC). A while ago one or two people who were on nearly max hours copped a lot of sim support to help them fill in their time.
Cheers
The company are ensuring they get their pound of flesh by flying you at max hours - being 75/month (900/year).
Cheers
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harrowing - Thats actually very true mate and good point.
The T's & C's are still vastly better than Rex. Nothing has changed there. Tell me where it says i CANT advise of what to expect when employed by QL to the numerous ones about to come along? If i happened to start a post with that content, you may have a point. But i was merely responding to sought after information.
TID EDIT
The T's & C's are still vastly better than Rex. Nothing has changed there. Tell me where it says i CANT advise of what to expect when employed by QL to the numerous ones about to come along? If i happened to start a post with that content, you may have a point. But i was merely responding to sought after information.
TID EDIT
Last edited by Tidbinbilla; 8th Jun 2008 at 20:24. Reason: cut the personal insults
Oh and BTW, you only get one full Sat/Sun weekend in a 28 day roster!
So much for the 'work / lifestyle balance' program!
So much for the 'work / lifestyle balance' program!
If you want your precious weekends off go get an office job.
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I have a concern as to the reduction in the safety of the operation - and that concern encompasses other regional operators also - with the haemorraging (is that htf you spell that?) of experience from the ranks.
Even though I am sure that many a low time wonder looks at the skipper making it look 'easy' and thinks that they could be a commander in a few months - regional ops are certainly no duckwalk - and there are plenty of opportunities to end up in all sorts of strife.
Even though I am sure that many a low time wonder looks at the skipper making it look 'easy' and thinks that they could be a commander in a few months - regional ops are certainly no duckwalk - and there are plenty of opportunities to end up in all sorts of strife.
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Ridgepipe, a bit of an education for you love - QL had just recently brought in a work/life balance program for the crew. I suppose in an attempt to try and stem the outflow of pilots. It was another of a myriad of attempts at somehow thinking that it would stem that flow. The fact that they are so desperately short staffed has meant that this program is really just a piecemeal gesture. As said before, just letting others know what they are in for. The fact that QL are having to regularly use two Check & Training / captains to dispatch a flight and cancel many speaks volumes. Existing pilots are under an enormous amount of pressure in this current environment / operation.
So please, cut the snide remarks eh?
Jet-A, your points raised are valid. You are right to be concerned at the overall safety of the operation.
So please, cut the snide remarks eh?
Jet-A, your points raised are valid. You are right to be concerned at the overall safety of the operation.
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from the roadshow
hey guys.. i went to the roadshow recently, and I think some people are getting the salary (and additions/bonuses) mixed up with the 'Non-monetary' bonuses.
At the info night, this is what the powerpoint display said under salary (for an FO):
$52, 700 Base
$4, 750 Super
$1, 750 Loss of licence Insurance
$4, 000 Allowances
$500 Communications allowance (ie, internet, phone)
$2, 000 QF shares
$2, 500 Retention Bonus
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Total coming to $68, 200
The parking allowances/childcare and other things people were talking about were in the "non-monetary" benefits/bonuses
Also.. numbers for crew basings were as follows (and I'm writing this because I'd like to hear some numbers on how many pilots are actually in each base AT PRESENT
)
Syd 120
Bne 90
Mel 40
Cns 30
Cbr 21
Mildura 12
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Total pilots 313
Cheers guys
At the info night, this is what the powerpoint display said under salary (for an FO):
$52, 700 Base
$4, 750 Super
$1, 750 Loss of licence Insurance
$4, 000 Allowances
$500 Communications allowance (ie, internet, phone)
$2, 000 QF shares
$2, 500 Retention Bonus
=================
Total coming to $68, 200
The parking allowances/childcare and other things people were talking about were in the "non-monetary" benefits/bonuses
Also.. numbers for crew basings were as follows (and I'm writing this because I'd like to hear some numbers on how many pilots are actually in each base AT PRESENT
)Syd 120
Bne 90
Mel 40
Cns 30
Cbr 21
Mildura 12
=======
Total pilots 313
Cheers guys
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$2, 000 QF shares
When and how is this paid?
I am sure current QLink pilots would like some shares. Is this only for new
hires?
Also the lifestyle rostering system is only for EAA and not Sunnies. Any rostering system that affects lifestyle is an EBA issue and Sunstate has not yet begun the new EBA battle. The 'lifestyle' system (what an oxymoron) has very deep flaws and I am sure If current Sunnies pilots look into it the current bid book system gives more control over your life.
When and how is this paid?
I am sure current QLink pilots would like some shares. Is this only for new
hires?
Also the lifestyle rostering system is only for EAA and not Sunnies. Any rostering system that affects lifestyle is an EBA issue and Sunstate has not yet begun the new EBA battle. The 'lifestyle' system (what an oxymoron) has very deep flaws and I am sure If current Sunnies pilots look into it the current bid book system gives more control over your life.