Merged: QANTASLINK Crewing Crisis!
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you're up to 19.6 stick for the week which means a 39 hour work week using Ron's numbers.
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Dash 400 has jet like speed.
From wht i recall
250 for b1900, dash8
350 for a dash 400
450 at least for a jet
Where is the jet like speed???
Somebodies dreaming here
From wht i recall
250 for b1900, dash8
350 for a dash 400
450 at least for a jet
Where is the jet like speed???
Somebodies dreaming here
Last edited by captaintunedog777; 9th May 2008 at 08:24.
A Citation ( slotation ) is a Jet and it barely cracks 380 kts
A BAE146 is a Jet, all be it with 5 APU's, and it just cracks about 400 to 420 kts( I stand to be corrected ) and takes weeks to get up there!! And is thus matched by the Q400, block to block.
The Q400 is not much slower, around 365 kts so damn close. And it climbs like a fart in a bath all the way up to FL250
Not all Jets do 520 kts like the mighty 744
A BAE146 is a Jet, all be it with 5 APU's, and it just cracks about 400 to 420 kts( I stand to be corrected ) and takes weeks to get up there!! And is thus matched by the Q400, block to block.
The Q400 is not much slower, around 365 kts so damn close. And it climbs like a fart in a bath all the way up to FL250
Not all Jets do 520 kts like the mighty 744
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If you are a qflink manager and can't attract or retain crew, what do you do?
What ever you do, don't treat your long-time pilots with respect. That'll never work.
- dramatically lower experience levels and intake minimums.
- use F100s to fill the gaps.
- spend a fortune on training
- initiate a hiring freeze(?)
- increase the flogging
- hope it'll all blow over
What ever you do, don't treat your long-time pilots with respect. That'll never work.
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You don't think thats enough? What other proffesion pays that?
You have to be kidding me? Just about every other PROFFESION pays more than $50k. Tell me one that doesnt! For too long pilots have been made to think they are worth nothing and you are just contributing to this. Get with it, its called supply and demand.
You don't think thats enough? What other proffesion pays that?
You have to be kidding me? Just about every other PROFFESION pays more than $50k. Tell me one that doesnt! For too long pilots have been made to think they are worth nothing and you are just contributing to this. Get with it, its called supply and demand.
I have a friend who has just this week been attending interviews at job agencies looking to be a PA to banking execs. The package for PA's as a standard now she tells me is $65K base + super + 20% bonus.
No degree, no tech skills, no hard slog in jobs paying $20K a year in northwest Australia to get there, no 12 week reviews/job compromising situations (read: cyclics), no responsibility for peoples lives.
Obviously what is offered is what the company feels is adequate remuneration for someone who is seen as important to the operation and worthy of such a package - and I'm sure PA's can't be that hard to find.
Tell me again why FO's are only worth $51K with no bonus or profit sharing? We won't even start on the other ranks.
Disgraceful.
No degree, no tech skills, no hard slog in jobs paying $20K a year in northwest Australia to get there, no 12 week reviews/job compromising situations (read: cyclics), no responsibility for peoples lives.
Obviously what is offered is what the company feels is adequate remuneration for someone who is seen as important to the operation and worthy of such a package - and I'm sure PA's can't be that hard to find.
Tell me again why FO's are only worth $51K with no bonus or profit sharing? We won't even start on the other ranks.
Disgraceful.
You know Dragun, if was just a case of these characters failing to pay what a person is worth, I could at least understand. In all the years I've had dealings with them I have yet to see one that has given 2 st#ffs about the wellbeing of staff. But to ignore the market forces in play now simply beggers belief. It's almost as if they will allow the company to be detroyed just to spite us!
So you see my friend, we are dealing with individuals that have a very strange view of the world.
So you see my friend, we are dealing with individuals that have a very strange view of the world.
I agree totally. As has been said, supply and demand are very powerful forces - however in this case it's literally being ignored or at the very least completely overlooked and misunderstood. Either way the people whose job is to MANAGE the company have a lot to answer for in the current situation.
I fail to see how falling pilot numbers, leading to a reduced schedule and still nothing tangible being offered to correct, still enables a PERFORMANCE bonus to be obtained by upper management.
It's a fact that 3-4 captains have been upstairs to inform they have VB start dates but would like to stay in lieu of a better offer. I think the company is very lucky that these gentlemen have given ANY warning of their impending departure in the hope something will be done.
What's on the agenda this week for NK? Probably more back slapping and happy day lunches whilst Rome burns.
I fail to see how falling pilot numbers, leading to a reduced schedule and still nothing tangible being offered to correct, still enables a PERFORMANCE bonus to be obtained by upper management.
It's a fact that 3-4 captains have been upstairs to inform they have VB start dates but would like to stay in lieu of a better offer. I think the company is very lucky that these gentlemen have given ANY warning of their impending departure in the hope something will be done.
What's on the agenda this week for NK? Probably more back slapping and happy day lunches whilst Rome burns.
Unless they are a very enlightened management upstairs, the approach by the 3/4 Captains will do no good. It is more likely to provoke a response of "We won't be held to ransom by bloody pilots just because there is a shortage. Taking advantage of us, that's what they are doing, the bastards. If we give in to them, we will have them all demanding more. Wait till it all turns around next week, they will be back in line - just wait and see" rant rant, beat chest etc.
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Dragun said:
Har har.
Thing is, he/she/it doesn't seem to know Rome is burning.
Put out the flames with some f100 casuals, an insulting bonus scheme and a swag of wannabe cadets.
And to any QFlink DH8 skippers out there wondering what to do, may I suggest:
What's on the agenda this week for NK? Probably more back slapping and happy day lunches whilst Rome burns.
Thing is, he/she/it doesn't seem to know Rome is burning.
Put out the flames with some f100 casuals, an insulting bonus scheme and a swag of wannabe cadets.
And to any QFlink DH8 skippers out there wondering what to do, may I suggest:
- Resume...................................................... ...Submit
- Resignation Letter..........................................Submit
- Emergency Lights ................................................On
- Pax Signs ...........................................................O ff
- Evacuate .....................................................as req’d
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I actually enjoyed working at Qlink, south that is!
I just could not stand being lied to by management all the time
and career opportunities mired in politics.
Sack NK
Pay more
Make progression possible
And I think a few people would come back (maybe)
Just to note I was there when NK tried to sack the Southern 146 pilots out of seniority while Laurie stood there, then NK went out to a reporter who got wind of this and lied point blank to him that every thing was good in the land of Qlink.
To the pilots left do not trust any thing that he says
(but you know that already)
By the way The pilots had to point out that laying off of pilots had to be in seniority not Laurie
I just could not stand being lied to by management all the time
and career opportunities mired in politics.Sack NK
Pay more
Make progression possible
And I think a few people would come back (maybe)
Just to note I was there when NK tried to sack the Southern 146 pilots out of seniority while Laurie stood there, then NK went out to a reporter who got wind of this and lied point blank to him that every thing was good in the land of Qlink.
To the pilots left do not trust any thing that he says
(but you know that already)
By the way The pilots had to point out that laying off of pilots had to be in seniority not Laurie
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$50000?
i am a l/h f/a at qantas.
i earn $70000, no overtime
no regional flying, why would you bother apart from lifestyle/love of flying!
love of flying doesn't pay the bills
i am a l/h f/a at qantas.
i earn $70000, no overtime
no regional flying, why would you bother apart from lifestyle/love of flying!
love of flying doesn't pay the bills
shnev said:
Qantaslink says in the email invite:
My bold. As we all know it doesn't take long to become a pilot.
Did anyone else notice... on the AFAP website - they're holding recruitment information sessions all around Australia around early June?
If you know anyone that might be interested in QantasLink or looking at getting into flying they are encouraged to register.
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I wouldn't have thought the right hand seat of a Dash 8 with 36, 50 or 72 passengers is the best place to learn how to fly.
- a gusty crosswind, think YHID
- a crowded CTAF,
- visual circling at night, YGLA...
- real missed approaches,
- real instrument flying, no hood required.
- vertical profiles
- DIY traffic separation (closing at 600KTS)
- ice - and lots of it.
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If Qlink cant pay enough to their pilots to live in SYD or MEL then why dont they open bases where the cost of living is cheaper and retain blokes more interested in life style and families. LST would be perfect and has a hangar as well. Thats right already did that .
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I wouldn't have thought the right hand seat of a Dash 8 with 36, 50 or 72 passengers is the best place to learn how to fly
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Cadets
Please, not all the cadets are pimply 19 yr olds with 350TT! There are a few of us that have been out and about doing "it". Also, these cadets would have at least demonstrated sound IF skills or they wouldn't have been picked (I hope). QFL are picking the people they can train the quickest - hopefully that means they're all pretty bright and quite adept at handling "steep learning curves". Don't take it out on the guys and girls filling the expansive gaps in the ranks - just give it to the people who are causing them!