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tv3 interview this morning
The great Ryanair Comms (not the organ grinder ) person was on TV3 this morning. He was afforded the time to restate his mantra of "blue flu, high paid public servants etc," then he was asked directly why he was there, he said that it was for the benefit of passengers,
well, the interviewer laughed in his face at the thought of them putting the passenger first. poor Mr S was not impressed.
Later he was asked why they (ryanair) didnt just recruit more controllers, to which Mr S said sheepishly that they had nothing to do with the running of ATC. Ms D gave him that look to say exactly!
It was pure cabaret, very entertaining
Lazy boy again, i actually know everything that he doesnt say, as well you know. I'm probably going to have some spare time on my hands in the coming weeks, so, i may apply for a drivers job
Whats the pay like?
I'm still trying to help you, here's my hand
All you have to do is reach out. i'm here for you.
good boy
see you next tuesday
well, the interviewer laughed in his face at the thought of them putting the passenger first. poor Mr S was not impressed.
Later he was asked why they (ryanair) didnt just recruit more controllers, to which Mr S said sheepishly that they had nothing to do with the running of ATC. Ms D gave him that look to say exactly!
It was pure cabaret, very entertaining
irishatco,
Do you drive Mick's taxi as a sideline?.........How do you know everything he says?
Do you drive Mick's taxi as a sideline?.........How do you know everything he says?
Whats the pay like?
I'm still trying to help you, here's my hand
All you have to do is reach out. i'm here for you.
good boy
see you next tuesday
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i think the greatest accomplishment on the part of the controllers so far has been to get ryr to side with the iaa in that spiel - a nobel peace prize is in order! 
i'm really looking forward to the formation of flying pigs now due to emerge from the mudbath of dub apron for a quick flyby.
i'm really looking forward to the formation of flying pigs now due to emerge from the mudbath of dub apron for a quick flyby.
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Originally Posted by DFC
But didn't many of them train on Dublin Approach Radar
Originally Posted by DFC
I may not be able to spell but most english speakers will read the above quote and know that it refers to the past.
Not a clue...
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The great Ryanair Comms (not the organ grinder ) person was on TV3 this morning. He was afforded the time to restate his mantra of "blue flu, high paid public servants etc," then he was asked directly why he was there, he said that it was for the benefit of passengers,
well, the interviewer laughed in his face at the thought of them putting the passenger first. poor Mr S was not impressed.
Later he was asked why they (ryanair) didnt just recruit more controllers, to which Mr S said sheepishly that they had nothing to do with the running of ATC. Ms D gave him that look to say exactly!
It was pure cabaret, very entertaining
well, the interviewer laughed in his face at the thought of them putting the passenger first. poor Mr S was not impressed.
Later he was asked why they (ryanair) didnt just recruit more controllers, to which Mr S said sheepishly that they had nothing to do with the running of ATC. Ms D gave him that look to say exactly!
It was pure cabaret, very entertaining
don't suppose you have a link to somewhere on the internet where that might be shown do you?
I've been reading this thread with interest since its creation and I can't believe the cr@p you guys have had to put up with. And to top it all, even Ryanair are sticking their oar in when they blatantly have no idea what they're talking about! Keep the faith and keep strong! I wouldn't be surprised if a number of ATC providers (both controllers and management) are keeping an eye on what's going on in your fine country with growing interest.
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qnhhpa- great post should have saved the hassle of this job and been a script writer!
We all know we wont penalise Fr no matter what they say. As someone said we are the proffessionals in all this.
Dfc i have read your posts many times and with an open mind from where you are coming from. However in all sincerity you do appear to be a bit behind the curve on this one. I also suggest in all sincerity that you are trying to make trouble and be intentionaly inflammatory.
Your lack of facts , and lack of clear thought is doing no one ,especially you any favours.
This of course being a rumour network then of course feel free to say whatever you want - but if you want people to listen to you then you have gone about it all wrong.
from what i have read so far most posts are reasonable and understandable so if you want to be taken seriously then you will have to change your tune and up your game.
Otherwise more and more will just ignore you - which at the end of the day means that the debate that follows will be lacking your input.
Hope thats ok with you?
We all know we wont penalise Fr no matter what they say. As someone said we are the proffessionals in all this.
Dfc i have read your posts many times and with an open mind from where you are coming from. However in all sincerity you do appear to be a bit behind the curve on this one. I also suggest in all sincerity that you are trying to make trouble and be intentionaly inflammatory.
Your lack of facts , and lack of clear thought is doing no one ,especially you any favours.
This of course being a rumour network then of course feel free to say whatever you want - but if you want people to listen to you then you have gone about it all wrong.
from what i have read so far most posts are reasonable and understandable so if you want to be taken seriously then you will have to change your tune and up your game.
Otherwise more and more will just ignore you - which at the end of the day means that the debate that follows will be lacking your input.
Hope thats ok with you?
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Air Corps ATCO's stepping into the breach - don't think so. But didn't many of them train on Dublin Approach Radar? Can't comment on radar displays or feeds for national securoty reasons of course but you know what I am getting at I am sure MOL would only gladly pay WOD and his DOD very well for keeping (profit making) flights operating.
Do the maths DFCAnd how many military atcos is there in this country?20 maybe 30 and im guessing
There are 300 civil atcos......theres a snowball chance in hell that any service will be provided by the Aer Corps at any irish airport IF it comes to irish atcos haveing to have work stopages...
Thanks for giving us a giggle thou...you have thus far displayed an total lack of knowledge on the subject of atc and irish atc in particular.....you should do stand up!
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tv3 interview
Loxley, i'm afraid i cant find a link. the tv3 website doesnt lend itself to the digital era that well.
if i come across it i'll post a link
Thanks for the support
if i come across it i'll post a link
Thanks for the support
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24 hour stoppage announced
http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0220/airtraffic.html
24 hour stoppage on the 28th february
also from impact website
http://www.impact.ie/iopen24/pub/new...ewsdesk_id=111
and so it begins ...
This is it, time for full unity here. any probs with each other - use another form of media.
Stick together!!!
24 hour stoppage on the 28th february
also from impact website
http://www.impact.ie/iopen24/pub/new...ewsdesk_id=111
and so it begins ...
This is it, time for full unity here. any probs with each other - use another form of media.
Stick together!!!
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From IMPACT Website
Air Traffic Control Officers issue strike notice to IAA
Date: Wednesday 20 February, 2008
News Summary:
Following the breakdown of talks last night, on interim solutions for the current staff shortages in Air Traffic Control, at the Labour Relations Commission (LRC), IMPACT trade union has today (Wednesday February 20th) issued notice of strike action to the Irish Aviation Authority (IAA).
News Content:
Following the preliminary notice of temporary work stoppages issued last week (Tuesday February 12th), a 24 hour work stoppage by Air Traffic Controllers will take place in Dublin, Cork and Shannon airports, effective from 00.01hours on Thursday, 28th February.
IMPACT regrets that talks with the IAA have failed to produce agreement on sustainable solutions to the chronic staffing shortages, which has made this action necessary.
Air Traffic Control Officers issue strike notice to IAA
Date: Wednesday 20 February, 2008
News Summary:
Following the breakdown of talks last night, on interim solutions for the current staff shortages in Air Traffic Control, at the Labour Relations Commission (LRC), IMPACT trade union has today (Wednesday February 20th) issued notice of strike action to the Irish Aviation Authority (IAA).
News Content:
Following the preliminary notice of temporary work stoppages issued last week (Tuesday February 12th), a 24 hour work stoppage by Air Traffic Controllers will take place in Dublin, Cork and Shannon airports, effective from 00.01hours on Thursday, 28th February.
IMPACT regrets that talks with the IAA have failed to produce agreement on sustainable solutions to the chronic staffing shortages, which has made this action necessary.
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Just saw from Irish Examiner Website
"Air traffic controllers have announced plans for a 24-hour strike at Dublin, Cork and Shannon airports next week.
If it goes ahead next Thursday, the action will completely shut down the three airports."
Are they intrepretering the notice that just the airports ie tower will be closed or have they forgotten that we all work at the airports, so it could be the enroute stuff aswell?????
Impact statement not very clear:
"a 24 hour work stoppage by Air Traffic Controllers will take place in Dublin, Cork and Shannon airports"
A clarification is needed, why just single out our Tower collegues???
"Air traffic controllers have announced plans for a 24-hour strike at Dublin, Cork and Shannon airports next week.
If it goes ahead next Thursday, the action will completely shut down the three airports."
Are they intrepretering the notice that just the airports ie tower will be closed or have they forgotten that we all work at the airports, so it could be the enroute stuff aswell?????
Impact statement not very clear:
"a 24 hour work stoppage by Air Traffic Controllers will take place in Dublin, Cork and Shannon airports"
A clarification is needed, why just single out our Tower collegues???
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54north15west,
You agree with something that I say.......but you say that by saying such a thing I am displaying a total lack of knowledge. Are you not doing the same if you agree with what I say?
Seems that you need to re-read what I said.
says the same as;
So we both agree which means you are complaining about nothing. Or put a better way - you are trying to generate a grivence but going the wrong way about it and shooting yourself in the foot. That is very familiar in Irish ATC at the moment no matter which side of the fence you sit on.
I can do the Math - It does not require 5 ATCO's to be present on a shift to staff 2 positions. The IAA need to sort that out. How many Shannon approach controllers staffing one position. Math is not something that ever seems to enter into staffing levels.
Tell me - Why does Dublin rank so highly in the CFMU delay figures? It is not a busy airport when compared to other European Hubs which have tighter staffing?
Regards,
DFC
You agree with something that I say.......but you say that by saying such a thing I am displaying a total lack of knowledge. Are you not doing the same if you agree with what I say?
Seems that you need to re-read what I said.
Originally Posted by DFC
Air Corps ATCO's stepping into the breach - don't think so
Originally Posted by 54north15west
theres a snowball chance in hell that any service will be provided by the Aer Corps at any irish airport IF it comes to irish atcos haveing to have work stopages
I can do the Math - It does not require 5 ATCO's to be present on a shift to staff 2 positions. The IAA need to sort that out. How many Shannon approach controllers staffing one position. Math is not something that ever seems to enter into staffing levels.
Tell me - Why does Dublin rank so highly in the CFMU delay figures? It is not a busy airport when compared to other European Hubs which have tighter staffing?
Regards,
DFC
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Following the preliminary notice of temporary work stoppages issued last week (Tuesday February 12th), a 24 hour work stoppage by Air Traffic Controllers will take place in Dublin, Cork and Shannon airports, effective from 00.01hours on Thursday, 28th February.
Regards,
DFC
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Poor DFC
Jesus, you sound dissappointed, DFC
Wont be able to talk first hand about what it was like.
hang on, that hasnt stopped you before
g r i e v e n c e - not "grivence" - bad lazy boy
s u r e l y - not "shirley" - bad lazy boy
try better next time
good boy
see you next tuesday
Wont be able to talk first hand about what it was like.
hang on, that hasnt stopped you before
g r i e v e n c e - not "grivence" - bad lazy boy
s u r e l y - not "shirley" - bad lazy boy
try better next time
good boy
see you next tuesday
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DFC, when are you going to stop digging? You haven't got a clue. Please stop posting. Your posts are making my eyes bleed.
Back to the topic at hand,
Good luck on Thursday guys. You have my support and that of my colleagues on the other side of the mic.
Now, must see if I can get a tee-time on Thursday morning..
Back to the topic at hand,
Good luck on Thursday guys. You have my support and that of my colleagues on the other side of the mic.
Now, must see if I can get a tee-time on Thursday morning..
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All Controllers will be involved in the strike action next week. That means that the entire Irish airspace will be closed for 24 hours, not just Dublin, Shannon and Cork airports.
DFC, the majority of Dublin's traffic goes through UK airspace which has some of the worst restrictions in Europe, especially the London TMA. As one of Europes busiest airports (No.10 I believe), it means that Dublin appears high on the list, but it is rarely because of 'Dublin' restrictions.
I would ask everyone to have a break for a while. Cool down and ignore certain people who seem to have too much time on their hands.
DFC, the majority of Dublin's traffic goes through UK airspace which has some of the worst restrictions in Europe, especially the London TMA. As one of Europes busiest airports (No.10 I believe), it means that Dublin appears high on the list, but it is rarely because of 'Dublin' restrictions.
I would ask everyone to have a break for a while. Cool down and ignore certain people who seem to have too much time on their hands.
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Game on
Yez are some shower...
Extract from IAA press relief (could say release but pi***n in the wind is relief):
The Irish Aviation Authority is extremely disappointed with IMPACT Trade Union for issuing notice of strike action by their Air Traffic Controller members for a 24 hour work stoppage to take effect on Thursday next, the 28 February 2008. This follows a number of weeks of sporadic unofficial action.
Shame on you, upsetting the IAA!
Wait for the onslaught of prime bull dung from the usual suspects - RYR, maybe even Bertie! and a couple of press loolas and of course probably another carefully worded IAA press relief.... Almost forgot to include the prima bull dung slinger -DFC! - entertainment!!!
The reality of what this is actually about will be forgotten and lots of fog on the real issues so just let it wash over and stick to the agenda and objectives.
RESPECT ATCOs!!!
Extract from IAA press relief (could say release but pi***n in the wind is relief):
The Irish Aviation Authority is extremely disappointed with IMPACT Trade Union for issuing notice of strike action by their Air Traffic Controller members for a 24 hour work stoppage to take effect on Thursday next, the 28 February 2008. This follows a number of weeks of sporadic unofficial action.
Shame on you, upsetting the IAA!
Wait for the onslaught of prime bull dung from the usual suspects - RYR, maybe even Bertie! and a couple of press loolas and of course probably another carefully worded IAA press relief.... Almost forgot to include the prima bull dung slinger -DFC! - entertainment!!!
The reality of what this is actually about will be forgotten and lots of fog on the real issues so just let it wash over and stick to the agenda and objectives.
RESPECT
ATCOs!!!
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And here we are-We all know what we have to do-We will remain united.
I have to say I am disappointed tho. This is the last thing any controller wants but we cannot allow the staffing situation to get any worse - the consequences are unthinkable.
I have to ask how are the IAA still maintaining their line that we are not short staff and not totally relient on overtime. ?
Have they not seen what has happened over the past week. One solitary controller goes sick or has an invalid license and a n entire airport has to shut for hours. As the presenter on Morning Ireland said - what way is that to run an aviation authority. Indeed.
Remeber no one walked off the job, no one refused to attend for duty, every single controller worked all their contracted hours. No one refused anything in their job description. Yet the IAA maintain we are not short of staff.
That makes sad and angry because like most controllers i want to work the traffic BUT not all day every day. Its not right its not safe and we are not having it.
It is no secret that there is a huge cadre of controllers due to retire in the next five years. The next class of 36 SCP wont even come close to replacing them in one station - never mind across three. I fear for our company in the hands they are in at the moment.
Good luck to all and stick together. We owe it to ourselves and by extension our customers and the travelling public.
Stay safe.
Yours as ever
OCK1F
I have to say I am disappointed tho. This is the last thing any controller wants but we cannot allow the staffing situation to get any worse - the consequences are unthinkable.
I have to ask how are the IAA still maintaining their line that we are not short staff and not totally relient on overtime. ?
Have they not seen what has happened over the past week. One solitary controller goes sick or has an invalid license and a n entire airport has to shut for hours. As the presenter on Morning Ireland said - what way is that to run an aviation authority. Indeed.
Remeber no one walked off the job, no one refused to attend for duty, every single controller worked all their contracted hours. No one refused anything in their job description. Yet the IAA maintain we are not short of staff.
That makes sad and angry because like most controllers i want to work the traffic BUT not all day every day. Its not right its not safe and we are not having it.
It is no secret that there is a huge cadre of controllers due to retire in the next five years. The next class of 36 SCP wont even come close to replacing them in one station - never mind across three. I fear for our company in the hands they are in at the moment.
Good luck to all and stick together. We owe it to ourselves and by extension our customers and the travelling public.
Stay safe.
Yours as ever
OCK1F
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Military Intervention???
To clarify earlier question as to whether Bal ATS could run the show, well, no it couldn't.
As the crew in Dub will know there are less than 10 radar rated mil ATCOs, none of whom have any experience at Dub Area or Approach, or even Twr.
Scenario: Mil ATCOs under supervision of Management (mostly non rated) provide reduced rate services at Dub for the 24hr period of strike? Who will stand over this if something goes wrong?
Who will staff Bal while this is happening?
There is no way Mil ATS could staff CRK or SNN.
Also, don't forget that the Mil WILL pass pickets, if they are told to.
To all the boys and girls, stay strong, you know you are right!
Sylvester
As the crew in Dub will know there are less than 10 radar rated mil ATCOs, none of whom have any experience at Dub Area or Approach, or even Twr.
Scenario: Mil ATCOs under supervision of Management (mostly non rated) provide reduced rate services at Dub for the 24hr period of strike? Who will stand over this if something goes wrong?
Who will staff Bal while this is happening?
There is no way Mil ATS could staff CRK or SNN.
Also, don't forget that the Mil WILL pass pickets, if they are told to.
To all the boys and girls, stay strong, you know you are right!
Sylvester
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Recent History
anyone looking for a concise, accurate and very funny explanation of how we've got to this position should read posting 412 from 'gnhhpa'
It's such a pity that it has had to come down to the ATCO's to give this company some direction, Management have had their heads in the sand for too long, and even now would rather inflict hardship on passengers, airlines and staff than face the reality of the situation THEY have created.
It's such a pity that it has had to come down to the ATCO's to give this company some direction, Management have had their heads in the sand for too long, and even now would rather inflict hardship on passengers, airlines and staff than face the reality of the situation THEY have created.