Manchester-2

[irishlad06]

End of Scottish Half-term flights using English based aircraft to run extra's and then usually to return to the English base to operate the outbound extra English half-term flights.

LY-NVX was also used from Glasgow and then returned to BHX to operate an extra English half-term to Tenerife although Birmingham and Solihull schools break up next Friday but Coventry and some others are this week. October half-term in the Midlands has been spread over 3 weeks this year instead of 1 or 2 and this will help passenger figures no-end but I am not sure if it is the same for the North West

Pete

Also Jet2 positioned from GLA - LBA and 2 B738’s to STN as well as 1 from EDI to MAN. As said they are all to run extra flights for mid term - the opposite should happen next week positioning MAN - GLA as the aircraft will have operated GLA - XXX - MAN with pax then empty back to home base in GLA.

[Malchester]

As a non-professional I have to say that I always value the contributions of LAX LHR (and others) on this forum. As an enthusiastic amateur interested in all things travel I appreciate the views of others. Yes, some have an axe to grind, others are clearly full throttle behind Manchester and the airport. But I think we are all adult enough to read, inwardly digest, review in our minds and objectively understand what is being said. So what if some are ardent supporters of Manchester and others are its strongest critics. I for one value all this. There is no need to be nasty towards any contributor who has a view to put forward

[Suzeman]

Just in case anyone doesn’t know, the new A555 link road Man Airport >Hazel Grove opened last Monday. Great if you live near the Hazel Grove area but for those of us in N Derbyshire/S Yorks it’s not much of a help because the 6 miles+ from the A555/A6 junction to the northern end of the Chapel bypass down the A6 is still a real pain. It’s c 6.2 miles but took me 22 mins last Wed evening


If you are coming from the N Derbyshire area etc to the Airport, what about the time saving from Hazel Grove to the Airport?. Around 13 -15 minutes journey time now compared to 30 - 45 minutes in the past depending on time of day and the route you took. There are some plans in discussion for a Disley by pass as I understand it.

[DomyDom]

For my two penn'orth, LAX-LHR lacks balance in his posts. He has inside knowledge which allows him to post details of new or additional services, but fails to balance that with details of reducing or ceasing services. I know he feels that is not his function, but he then comes across as a happy clappy cheerleader and not an informed contributor.
LAX_LHR contribution is excellent as are his many interesting and informative posts. His insights are highly valued by myself and others.

[Suzeman]

His insights are were highly valued by myself and others.

Fixed that for you.

Shame that his /her useful information is lost to this forum due to lots of unnecessary personal comments from others. But then this is the interweb.

Can't blame LAX for losing interest - life is too short.

[BHX5DME]

 JAL (Japan Airlines) met our network team to lay the foundations for a long-term plan to securea Tokyo service. We know that such a service is unlikely in the next two years, but it is importantto position ourselves correctly as the Airline look to grow international services. Forecasts showvery strong passenger demand for connectivity between Manchester and Tokyo, over the next fiveyears. We need to harness this growth and continue our discussions. JAL showed a considerablelevel of interest and underlined that they saw Manchester as an Airport for their mainline productrather than their newly launched Low-Cost Carrier.
ANA (All Nippon Airways) also met with the network team to discuss the Manchester opportunityand again, like JAL they showed a good level of interest. ANA believe that the additional capacity,which is being added to Narita and Haneda airports, brings with it opportunities for services toairports such as Manchester

[Suzeman]

And BHX5DME, your source for this is?

[BHX5DME]

the source is the minutes of the Manchester Airport Consultative Committee meeting

[Suzeman]

the source is the minutes of the Manchester Airport Consultative Committee meeting

Thank you...

Here's a link
https://live-webadmin-media.s3.amazonaws.com/media/4211/october-2018-19th-macc.pdf

Lots of interesting stuff in here - recommended reading. Much has changed since I used to go to the Consultative Committee decades ago !

[Betablockeruk]

It also says EasyJet will announce new services for S19 in December

[MANFOD]

Easyjet:
I think it also says that the extent of the increase in capacity next summer is dependent on timely deliveries of their new A320neos.

Leading Airport Pairs - MEB3:https://www.anna.aero/2018/10/24/meb3-carriers-leading-airport-pairs-via-hubs/?utm_source=anna.aero+newsletter&utm_campaign=e47b62566f-anna_nl_241018&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ecdbf41674-e47b62566f-87025829

MAN - BKK in 2017 by those 3 carriers accounted for > 114,000 pax.Emirates with 52k is just over 5% of its total carryings on MAN-DXB.Not checked the annual figures for QR for MAN-DOH but with almost 34k pax on their flights for BKK, in percentage terms they could be affected most if there is finally a non-stop service to MAN.

The article goes on to say the market between MAN and BKK on indirect flights with 1 stop was just under 150,000 pax in 2017.

MAN was the only airport to feature in the top 20 for all 3 carriers.

[MANFOD]

Virgin Atlantic
Just looking up MAN-BOSfor next summer and the 3 x weekly flights are showing no premium economy when I looked at dates flexible in September.

I thought the A332s they acquired were being refitted to VS standards and that P/E would be included. Is this not the case now?
Edit:
Oh, putting in specific dates on the days the flights operate now shows P/E. available and price.
Interesting that the A332 wasn't showing on seat guru when I last checked

[ManofMan]

Hi all,

does anyone happen to know why Spicejet chose Manchester for its delivery fuel stops ??

its normally anywhere but Man so came as a shock.

any ideals ??

[Curious Pax]

Hi all,

does anyone happen to know why Spicejet chose Manchester for its delivery fuel stops ??

its normally anywhere but Man so came as a shock.

any ideals ??

i think I’m right in saying that previous -800 and Max deliveries have stopped twice en route to Delhi, but these Max’s just made the one stop at MAN. Roughly halfway to Delhi, and 24 hour opening probably clinched it.

[techair]

Several years ago, if I recall a large proportion of an African airlines (Kenyan?) 737 fleet was delivered via Manchester. As noted above MAN is a 24 hour highest category facility with unrestricted runways roughly half way on the great circle routing and with Boeing approved engineers always on site.
Many years ago, Boeing had their own operational engineering staff and liveried vehicles on site, this was at the start of TATL ETOPS and the introduction into service of the larger twin jets. They also had an office in the Cheadle Heath area, not sure if it's still there though.

[chaps1954]

No the office and sims closed a few years back and the lovely lady who worked there arranged a trip on the B757 sim one afternoon which was meant to be
about 30 mins and ended at 1hour 30 mins with the trainer which was wonderful.

[Scottie Dog]

Manchester Statistics - September 2018

Destinations that are either new (no passengers since my records started in January 2005), or have not been served for a number of years - if the latter then the month and year of the last service is shown.

No new destinations were served in September 2018

Million passenger routes (Rolling annual figures)
Amsterdam - 1,027,698 passengers
Dubai - 1,022,769 passengers

Three domestic statistics are currently missing from the CAA report for September.
Belfast City, Inverness, Jersey are yet to provide figures
Total passengers for these routes in 2017 were 34,247.

Moving monthly and annual figures - based on CAA statistics/MAG statistics
Monthly passengers - 2,838,130 -1.08%
Annual Total - 16,575,335 -0.02%
Moving Annual Total - 27,879,010 -0.81%
Monthly Movements - 19,119 -3.52%
Annual Movements - 112,760 -2.33%
Moving Annual Movements - 200,131 -1.91%

Top 25 destinations - by passenger numbers
https://image.ibb.co/ce7BCf/Screenshot-62.png

Top 25 destinations with highest percentage increase.
https://image.ibb.co/fDYwdL/Screenshot-63.png

Figures for the European and long haul destinations that I consider to be the main points for our connecting traffic.
https://image.ibb.co/k1R4Xf/Screenshot-64.png

Comparison of top 25 destinations - September 2008 versus September 2018
https://image.ibb.co/fHijXf/Screenshot-65.png

Major changes to Domestic traffic
https://image.ibb.co/nzi7k0/Screenshot-66.png

Belfast City, Inverness, Jersey have not reported figures for September.

CAA statistics for September are provisional.

[Scottie Dog]

Where does the time go? Well here is issue 66 of PlaneTalk to whom full credit is given. Please do not copy to any other forum or thread.
Part 1

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[Scottie Dog]

Part 2

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Now a couple of video clips - please click on the link above each item.

https://phasingmantp.vids.io/videos/e89ddeb71111eec460/lor-timelapse_1-30-mp4
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Now a couple of video clips - please use the click in the link above each item.

https://phasingmantp.vids.io/videos/e89ddeb71111eec460/lor-timelapse_1-30-mp4
https://preview.ibb.co/f2JyQ0/Screenshot-20181103-184322-Chrome.jpg

https://phasingmantp.vids.io/videos/a49ddeb71111e0c52c/mantp-t2-topping-out-drone-airside-mp4
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[roverman]

Jet Airways 130 is airborne and heading for MAN. Not the first-ever service to/from Mumbai but the first for a good few years, and this one stands a chance of success and endurance. Elsewhere MAN is reporting internally (presumably based on provisional October figures) that the airport has passed the rolling 28 Million passengers per annum for the first time in its history. Certainly now that the Monarch effect has dropped out the figures are looking very positive.

[Ringwayman]

Looks like El Al could be back on for next year


[https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/281350/el-al-proposes-manchester-service-resumption-from-late-may-2019/

[Big Tudor]

Jet Airways 130 is airborne and heading for MAN. Not the first-ever service to/from Mumbai but the first for a good few years, and this one stands a chance of success and endurance.

I wouldn’t count your chickens on that just yet.
Jet Airways: From clear skies to dark clouds | Forbes India (http://www.forbesindia.com/article/leaderboard/jet-airways-from-clear-skies-to-dark-clouds/51705/1)

[Betablockeruk]

I wouldn’t count your chickens on that just yet.
Jet Airways: From clear skies to dark clouds Forbes India (http://www.forbesindia.com/article/leaderboard/jet-airways-from-clear-skies-to-dark-clouds/51705/1)

And the same for Hainan, but hopefully such routes will become firmly established and be part of Manchester's network, even if an airline falls on troubled times.

[Espada III]

Looks like El Al could be back on for next year


[[url]https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/281350/el-al-proposes-manchester-service-resumption-from-late-may-2019/

This is the third time I think that this route has been announced...

I hope it happens, as it will put pressure on easyJet to reduce prices at time of high demand. At the moment the difference between winter and summer fares can be three fold.

[ZOOKER]

Scottie Dog,

Why can't we copy or re-post the pictures?

I, and all the other rate-payers in Greater Manchester are shareholders in the airport.

Oh,

And East Midlands, and Stansted.

[Scottie Dog]

Zooker

I've tried answering your query by PM however your inbox is full.

All I can do is ask that you respect my request. If you empty your inbox I'll try again to reply directly.

Scottie Dog

[boredintheairport]

Any idea on the loads on the first Mumbai legs?

[Scottie Dog]

I did read on another forum that the inbound on Monday was 112 and outbound 249.

[boredintheairport]

I did read on another forum that the inbound on Monday was 112 and outbound 249.

That seems pretty close enough to full on the way back to Mumbai. Pretty poor showing on the outbound, though.

[chaps1954]

1st flight is very rarely full but to have those loads on the return flight is excellent

[Mr A Tis]

I suspect the return was full of freeloaders and comp tickets as is usually the case.

[FFMAN]

From the Press Release:

Naresh Goyal, Chairman of Jet Airways, said:
“We are happy to be the first airline to offer a non-stop, premium service between Mumbai and Manchester. The UK is a very important destination for Jet Airways and with the addition of Manchester we hope to make a further contribution to boosting tourism and trade between the two countries.”
Jet announced its Manchester-Mumbai route in May as a four-times-a-week service. Demand has been so strong, the airline increased its frequency to five-times-a-week before it had even launched, with the first flights leaving Manchester fully occupied.

[ZOOKER]

Scottie, sorry the box was full. I've been off the MegaHertz for a while.

I see your pictures also appear on 'SkyscraperCities', but without the sharing caveat? If you work for MAG, surely you pictures are authorised by MAPLC? If not, are you taking 'snaps' without official authorisation?......Naughty.

Request respected.

Oh, and also from SSC, I take it that 'Wing Tips' is LAX-LHR'?

[caryh]

Scottie, sorry the box was full. I've been off the MegaHertz for a while.

I see your pictures also appear on 'SkyscraperCities', but without the sharing caveat? If you work for MAG, surely you pictures are authorised by MAPLC? If not, are you taking 'snaps' without official authorisation?......Naughty.

Request respected.

Oh, and also from SSC, I take it that 'Wing Tips' is LAX-LHR'?

Scottie Dog does include the caveat on Skyscapercity for all the PlaneTalk posts - the typical wording over there is " This week's update courtesy of PlaneTalk Issue **. Please do not copy or reproduce on any other forum or thread "

However posts which show pictures from "our friend" are not marked with the same request.

I suspect that although permission has been given to post the details from PlaneTalk, they are intended more for airport staff, and not general release to the public,so it was requested that the caveat was added.

[nickdhall]

Oh, and also from SSC, I take it that 'Wing Tips' is LAX-LHR'?

I think LAX used to post as World Rep on the Skyscraper City Manchester forum, but it's been some years since he's posted.

[roverman]

From the Press Release:

Figures for the first three Jet Airways rotations suggest this service is predominantly a UK point of sale.

[Rutan16]

Figures for the first three Jet Airways rotations suggest this service is predominantly a UK point of sale.

And how is that a surprise to be honest - Indians can’t travel with ease in reality Visas and all .

[Ex Cargo Clown]

Eh-oh, the FlyBE news isn't good news.

[MANFOD]

October stats:
Can't see it mentioned on here but Passengers were up 6% in October'18 vs. the same month last year.
This was the first month in which Monarch were not in the comparative figures.
Movements increased 2% but freight was down 3%.

[Betablockeruk]

Too much good news for some....

Jet2 are pushing a whole load of flights to T2, presumably using up Monarchs empty gate slots.

To support our expanded operation, from 1st February 2019 all Jet2.com flights for Alicante, Almeria, Antalya, Barcelona, Bodrum, Izmir, Krakow, Malta, Menorca, Naples, Nice, Pisa, Pula and Verona will arrive and depart using Terminal 2 (T2).

This is in addition to all Jet2.com flights for Lanzarote, Malaga, Majorca and Tenerife which have flown to and from T2 since April 2018.

All other Jet2.com flights will continue to operate at Terminal 1 (T1).

[Jetaway]

Too much good news for some....

Jet2 are pushing a whole load of flights to T2, presumably using up Monarchs empty gate slots.

It's partly for the expansion of Jet2 but its because with MAN TP by the time these routes fully come online around April/May there will be more gate space for them on T2, The loss of Monarch has slightly helped with stands i believe

[MKY661]

I'm assuming the plan is that Jet2 will be the first airline to move out of T1 completely?

[irishlad06]

I'm assuming the plan is that Jet2 will be the first airline to move out of T1 completely?


everything should have moved across by Summer 2020. If they aren’t the first the will be one of the first.

[TURIN]

everything should have moved across by Summer 2020. If they aren’t the first the will be one of the first.
When you say 'everything'. Could you clarify please?

[caryh]

When you say 'everything'. Could you clarify please?

I believe irishlad06 is referring to all airlines moving out in the next few years, to allow the separation of the current t1 piers from the main body of the terminal, and then the demolition of the majority of the T1 terminal itself.

[All names taken]

Hi folks
Can someone help me out?
I've got a bit of business that will take me a few times to the US over the next year.
Just weighing up my travel options, one of which is driving up to MAN to catch a VS flight.
If I do that will I get FF points with Skyteam since VS is now effectively Delta UK?

TIA

[canberra97]

Hi folks
Can someone help me out?
I've got a bit of business that will take me a few times to the US over the next year.
Just weighing up my travel options, one of which is driving up to MAN to catch a VS flight.
If I do that will I get FF points with Skyteam since VS is now effectively Delta UK?

TIA

You can earn FF points with Delta on VS flights which can be used for Skyteam partners.

[ManUtd1999]

All the speculation about a potential VS/Flybe tie-up has got me thinking about the potential for a Manchester hub. VS's main problem at Heathrow has always been a lack of slots to effectively compete with BA/AA. Delta help with this to some extent but can only provide feed from the US side. Even if they buy Flybe, there won't be any slots to build a significant feeder network apart from the ABZ/EDI flights already operated. Manchester meanwhile has no shortage of slots and alreaduy sustains a few US routes with minimal feed.

Could a split strategy work for VS, where they have a smaller LHR operation focused on Delta's hubs and key O/D markets and a small hub at MAN linking major US cities with European secondary cities?

So, the plan:

- Scale back parts of Flybe's network which are less suited to VS (domestic France, thinner domestic routes, BHX european routes etc)
- Use the spare aircraft to increase flights from MAN to secondary European cities (HAM, DUS, LYS, LUX, maybe Scandanavia?). Flybe's Dash-8's are ideal for these thin routes to feed long haul flights.
- Focus their LHR operation on London O/D with some US feed. Drop their remaining Asian routes, reduce some frequencies back to 1 daily (SFO etc) as the A35Ks arrive and/or transfer others to Delta.
- Redeploy the VS spare aircraft to MAN. Initially it would make sense to make their existing destinations year round and increased frequency, Then start looking at launching a few other select US cities (SEA, MIA, ORD spring to mind).

Could it work?

[TURIN]

I believe irishlad06 is referring to all airlines moving out in the next few years, to allow the separation of the current t1 piers from the main body of the terminal, and then the demolition of the majority of the T1 terminal itself.

Wow, really? I didn't realise T2 was going to be big enough for that.

[chaps1954]

The actual terminal is to come down but piers B and C are to remain

[easyflyer83]

Isn’t Pier B To be practically rebuilt though?

[Scottie Dog]

Isn’t Pier B To be practically rebuilt though?
Since your probably looking nearly 6-7 years ahead to when they get to working on Pier B anything could happen but, yes, you're possibly correct.

[pholling]

Wow, really? I didn't realise T2 was going to be big enough for that.

I think with the reconfiguration of check-in in T2, plus the new security there should be enough landslide space to accommodate all of the current, and some planned growth from T1. It remains to be seen if this will be sufficient, especially given current growth trends.

[FFMAN]

but piers B and C are to remain
Hopefully not.
MAN is the home of several bits of cringeworthy infrastructure.
The Bronze Medal goes to T3.
Pier C of T1 gets the Silver Medal but......
....roll of drums.....
The Gold Medal (with an extra mention in dispatches for total disfunctional despair and grimness) goes to Pier B. No contest really - a really nasty bit of cheapass airport terminal that would be dismissed as unsuitable by most third world airports (and yes I've been to plenty).
I thought Manchester had ambition as a city and an airport. Pier B says that it does not. As the Irish phrase goes...'ah **** it, it'll be grand''

[Curious Pax]

Hopefully not.
MAN is the home of several bits of cringeworthy infrastructure.
The Bronze Medal goes to T3.
Pier C of T1 gets the Silver Medal but......
....roll of drums.....
The Gold Medal (with an extra mention in dispatches for total disfunctional despair and grimness) goes to Pier B. No contest really - a really nasty bit of cheapass airport terminal that would be dismissed as unsuitable by most third world airports (and yes I've been to plenty).
I thought Manchester had ambition as a city and an airport. Pier B says that it does not. As the Irish phrase goes...'ah **** it, it'll be grand''

I wouldn’t particularly disagree with your assessment of piers B and C, but it’s misleading to imply they were designed like that. Most of the issues for the passengers are how cramped it is, and some of the convoluted routes from gate to passport control. This is a direct result of the instruction post 9/11 that arriving and departing passengers must be physically segregated - it would have required a full demolition and rebuild to deal with in a better way. It is right that 17 years and counting since that change without a rebuild is too long though.

[MANFOD]

Re T1 Pier B
I don't know if the thinking has changed but what I understand was being considered when the Terminal building is eventually demolished was to use the west side of B pier for T2 flights and the east side for T3 flights. However, if that suggestion is put into practice, I've no idea how long the pier would continue to be used in that way and whether an upgrade or rebuild is likely in the meantime.

Re Pier C, isn't that being retained,at least partially, and what was to be pier 4 on T2 not happening?

Scottie Dog or roverman is more knowledgeable on this than I am, so I stand to be corrected.

[easyflyer83]

Passenger segregation was well before 9/11 IIRC.
You are right though, it was fit for purpose when built.
By the late 90’s, stand 1/5/9/11 side of B pier was used predominantly by turboprops and regional jets which no doubt made the arrangement manageable.

Now though, it needs to go. It’s had its day.

[irishlad06]

When you say 'everything'. Could you clarify please?

regarding Jet2.com the plan is for all operating to be within the new terminal for summer 2020. 50% move for summer 19 followed by the remainder in summer 20.

regarding other airlines I am not 100% sure as to who, what and when they are moving.

[pholling]

regarding Jet2.com the plan is for all operating to be within the new terminal for summer 2020. 50% move for summer 19 followed by the remainder in summer 20.

regarding other airlines I am not 100% sure as to who, what and when they are moving.

That is interesting. It would mean a big increase in available check-in space/throughput in T2X compared to T2. The plan is currently to shut the existing T2 (2020-2022) for renovation once the extension opens in 2020. Might this be delayed until after the summer peak, or at least from a check-in point of view, stage the renovations?

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

This is a direct result of the instruction post 9/11 that arriving and departing passengers must be physically segregated - it would have required a full demolition and rebuild to deal with in a better way. It is right that 17 years and counting since that change without a rebuild is too long though.
Indeed the new pier 5 at Gatwick's North Terminal was rendered unfit for purpose almost overnight before it opened as arrivals and departures were on the same level, cue BAA's love affair with glass doors. Pier 7 at LHR remains so afflicted, and DUB's 200 gates have had an upper floor added in recent years to mitigate this. Strangley, the older LHR T4 was fine as it had been designed to have arrivals and departures on different levels. Those were different days, smokier, more expensive, a world of cassette tapes and VCRs......

[spannersatcx]

1st A350-1000 due at MAN Saturday, for those interested, by all accounts it will only fit on 1 stand at the moment, so that could be interesting!

[Scottie Dog]

Manchester Statistics - October 2018

Destinations that are either new (no passengers since my records started in January 2005), or have not been served for a number of years - if the latter then the month and year of the last service is shown.

No new destinations were served in October 2018

Million passenger routes (Rolling annual figures)
Amsterdam - 1,024,292 passengers
Dubai - 1,015,907 passengers

Two domestic statistics are currently missing from the CAA report for October.
Belfast City, and Inverness are yet to provide figures

Total passengers for these routes in 2017 were 24,847 - although the CAA site currently shows 66 passengers to Belfast City in October 2018.

Moving monthly and annual figures - based on CAA statistics/MAG statistics

Monthly passengers - 2,547,855 +5.96%
Annual Total - 19,123,190 +0.73%%
Moving Annual Total - 28,033,344 +1.06%

Monthly Movements - 18,192 +2.05%
Annual Movements - 130,950 -1.75%
Moving Annual Movements - 200,495 -1.84%

Top 25 destinations - by passenger numbers

https://i.ibb.co/RHnD4wz/Screenshot-98.png

Top 25 destinations with highest percentage increase.

https://i.ibb.co/MNwNfnF/Screenshot-99.png

Figures for the European and long haul destinations that I consider to be the main points for our connecting traffic.

https://i.ibb.co/WVJV6FR/Screenshot-100.png

Comparison of top 25 destinations - October 2008 versus October 2018

https://i.ibb.co/tJRNKDq/Screenshot-102.png

Major changes to Domestic traffic

https://i.ibb.co/XtDs4xJ/Screenshot-103.png

Belfast City and Inverness, have not reported figures for October.

CAA statistics for October are provisional.

[MAN2SIN2BKK2FRA]

The actual terminal is to come down but piers B and C are to remain

I can't see how piers B and C from T1 can remain, from the pictures shown Pier D on T2 will extend out to the satellite of Pier C on T1. From looking at Google Earth the centreline of T2 would extend directly to the main building of T3, therefore once T1 is demolished there is considerable space to extend the main building of T3 and that 2 additional piers can be extended from T3 parallel with those of T2. Dreams, I know but logically could it work?

[TURIN]

...therefore once T1 is demolished there is considerable space to extend the main building of T3 and that 2 additional piers can be extended from T3 parallel with those of T2. Dreams, I know but logically could it work?

I think that was the prefered option but was deamed too expensive and disruptive.

[Mr A Tis]

They're spending £1Bn & that monstrosity that is pier B is staying ? Really? B & C both need to go.

[jfy1999]

Saw a post on another forum a couple of weeks ago saying that VIE-MAN would be added for summer 2019 operating Tuesday/Thursday/Saturday, however I can't find anything on the website.

anyone know more?

[FFMAN]

With three good airlines already on the route, would we need a 4th with what 10k pax per month? Highly doubt it

[fjencl]

https://ifn.news/posts/small-planet-airlines-grounded-by-authorities/

[4eyed anorak]

ETIHAD

Looks like 787-10 will be coming soon!

Airlineroute‏ @Airlineroute 6h6 hours ago ETIHAD's 787-10 Dreamliner to serve Manchester on permanent basis from 01FEB19. For summer schedule from 31MAR19, service operated by 787-9 and -10, 1 daily each, instead of 787-9 and 777-300ER
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[Suzeman]

Some ETD 787-10 on various MAN flights from 8th December

[160to4DME]

Air France re-absorbing Joon back into mainline.

So MAN will retain AF.

[roverman]

Air France re-absorbing Joon back into mainline.

So MAN will retain AF.

Magnifique! I remember the last ever AF Caravelle operating AF962/963 in March 1981 as the type was retired from the fleet. Ear-piercing RR Avons and that classic paint scheme which was never updated like the B727s which replaced it. AF are one of MAN's longest continuously-running flag carriers. Vive la France mais 'Non' a Joon! Pardon my French.

[Logohu]

Good to see United finally upsizing its Newark service for next summer, with a 767-300ER from 30 March, and 767-400ER from 22 May.
Source: Routesonline

[FFMAN]

15-20 years ago flying business class ex MAN could be a relatively lonely experience.....
Twice in the last month, I've not been able to get seats up front on the flights I wanted due to them all being sold.....
I'll leave it there.

[brian_dromey]

Interesting observation. On one hand business are purported to be reducing business-class travel, yet business class cabins seem full. There are very limited seats for points redemption (BA release just 2 per long-haul flight). Is it the premium leisure traveller? I’m thinking of the 50/60+ with paid off mortgages, defined benifit pensions and kids through uni?

[Betablockeruk]

15-20 years ago flying business class ex MAN could be a relatively lonely experience.....
Twice in the last month, I've not been able to get seats up front on the flights I wanted due to them all being sold.....
I'll leave it there.

Will be interesting to know which flights?

I'm sure the massive development of the city centre has increased the number of business types in and out of the area - did you know....there are over 60 cranes up in the city centre Crane spotting (https://www.bisnow.com/manchester/news/construction-development/this-is-what-a-boom-town-looks-like-manchesters-64-tower-cranes-92467)

[chaps1954]

72 cranes the other day in city centre alone

Ian

[FFMAN]

Will be interesting to know which flights?

I'm sure the massive development of the city centre has increased the number of business types in and out of the area - did you know....there are over 60 cranes up in the city centre Crane spotting (https://www.bisnow.com/manchester/news/construction-development/this-is-what-a-boom-town-looks-like-manchesters-64-tower-cranes-92467)

I'll just say that one was going east and one was going west. I was surprised at the Westbound tbh but then I reflected for a while and realized that actually there are pretty limited options going that way in the winter months for full service flying. If the airport is to be taken seriously as a true gateway going forward, that will have to change. It's alright saying 'we have non-stop flights to Los Angeles' but if they only go for a few weeks in the summer, they're not much better than holiday charter flights

Unscientific observations but I would say yes there are a few wealthy leisure flyers up front but there always has been. You'll find that front cabins on the full service airlines are still predominently business orientated if you end up chatting in the bars on those airlines that have social areas. It does seem that Manchester (the place) is booming though so no doubt that is a contributory factor..

[pabely]

The number of cranes is always a good indicator of a booming city https://www.intelligenthq.com/social-business-2/do-cranes-on-the-horizon-signal-economic-growth/

[Betablockeruk]

It's alright saying 'we have non-stop flights to Los Angeles' but if they only go for a few weeks in the summer, they're not much better than holiday charter flights


100% agree - last month, managed to get £385 return on NZ and the trains behaved, but would happily pay the extra to avoid the stress.

[roverman]

Quote : It's alright saying 'we have non-stop flights to Los Angeles' but if they only go for a few weeks in the summer, they're not much better than holiday charter flights


LAX is served for the full six months from May to end of October at 3 x per week this year and next year at 5x per week with MT and Virgin both on the route. About 10% of the MT MAN-LAX passengers are transferring over MAN from Europe and the UK with a number of code-shares. VS will be similar. At LAX with an MT ticket you can connect on to Jet Blue. So, yes it is seasonal for now, as is the trend for North America generally, but it is providing a regular scheduled service with a premium cabin and network connectivity. No frequent flyer etc but a whole lot more than a charter. Worth remembering that until 2016 we had no service at all to the US West Coast.

[FFMAN]

Didn't really mean to pick on any particular route but just pointing out that whilst there is good choice of routes and service in the summer there is very little to be had in the winter. Sadly that doesn't cut it for business. I suspect the lack of choice in November placed me in the position of ending up flying stateside in economy when I (or rather the client) was prepared to pay for Business....but it wasn't available. Not good for business if you'll pardon the pun.

Also both TCX and VS tend to reserve a lot of their capacity in the premium cabins for their 'holiday' customers thus restricting the available space for pure airline customers.

Worth remembering that until 2016 we had no service at all to the US West Coast.
There still isn't for most of the year

[Adola69]

What have we done to upset Spicejet ?

There we were bumbling along nicely having had Spicejet appear 3 times delivering their new B737MAX's through Man, now all of a sudden, they are using Prestwick,
with the last two transiting through there.

Have we turned them away " due lack of space", or have they gone to somewhere with less hassle ?

If it's the former, then it's a poor show yet again and will only get worse as the increase in airlines operating appears to be outpacing Stands available.

One example as I understand it, is that Ryanair are finding it difficult to introduce more aircraft because of lack of Stands on T3 (Some may say good). I just say pretty poor planning by those in charge.

Yet another example of infrastructure in this part of the UK not keeping pace with development. All well and good increasing terminal capacity but not if you can't park your aeroplanes !

[Scottie Dog]

I don't know about SpiceJet but Ryanair, or so I believe, is not just stand availability but also capacity within T3 and that problem is nor going to go away overnight (unless we suddenly lose flybe - which would be a disaster).

[Nomoresteerage]

15-20 years ago flying business class ex MAN could be a relatively lonely experience.....
Twice in the last month, I've not been able to get seats up front on the flights I wanted due to them all being sold.....
I'll leave it there.

Bear in mind the huge capacity reductions going West for VS over the winter season - only 14 seats to either ATL or JFK daily over the winter season.
Looking to get to Nashville in in January was over £5K from Manchester - go to London and the same dates were £2.2K - so hopefully the temporary lack of capacity won't kill off the demand.

[boredintheairport]

What have we done to upset Spicejet ?

There we were bumbling along nicely having had Spicejet appear 3 times delivering their new B737MAX's through Man, now all of a sudden, they are using Prestwick,
with the last two transiting through there.

Have we turned them away " due lack of space", or have they gone to somewhere with less hassle ?

If it's the former, then it's a poor show yet again and will only get worse as the increase in airlines operating appears to be outpacing Stands available.

One example as I understand it, is that Ryanair are finding it difficult to introduce more aircraft because of lack of Stands on T3 (Some may say good). I just say pretty poor planning by those in charge.

Yet another example of infrastructure in this part of the UK not keeping pace with development. All well and good increasing terminal capacity but not if you can't park your aeroplanes !

Why the use of personal language 'we'? Why the personal investment as though it's a personal affront?

I'm very sure they went where the fuel is cheap and you can park right by the door.

[FFMAN]

Bear in mind the huge capacity reductions going West for VS over the winter season - only 14 seats to either ATL or JFK daily over the winter season.
Looking to get to Nashville in in January was over £5K from Manchester - go to London and the same dates were £2.2K - so hopefully the temporary lack of capacity won't kill off the demand.

Yep - I don't understand the Virgin policy. The 747 is the wrong plane in the winter. Waaay too much rear end capacity and not enough front end. The 14 UC seats in the Jumbo is around half (?) what you get in the A330 and for that matter the Delta 767s that used to run those routes. In my regular experience of both types, they didn't have any difficulty more or less filling them. They are suppressing their own demand...a strange business model.
I'm looking for alternative options for the next stateside trip (actually working on the SQ/UA option even though it would be self connect)

[Mr A Tis]

Since Delta stopped - I use KLM for any westbound winter trips.

[FFMAN]

Unfortunately I have a logic breakdown going in the opposite direction first. Besides it seems every time I get offered the KLM connection it involves getting that ridiculous 5.55am departure. No thanks.

[The96er]

BA schedule for summer 19 reduced down to 6 daily Mon-Fri. BA1395 and BA1403 departures dropped. Surprising regarding the BA1403 as that's usually very premium heavy.

[Blakedean]

BA schedule for summer 19 reduced down to 6 daily Mon-Fri. BA1395 and BA1403 departures dropped. Surprising regarding the BA1403 as that's usually very premium heavy.
Anyone know what the peak number of daily flights BA had to Heathrow was?

[comet 4b623PW]

From memory BA reached a peak of about 12 weakday departures on man-lhr flights

[Scottie Dog]

Since I've not seen an OAN having been issued for this change, although OAN 126/2018 is currently missing, I thought I would include details from the relevant NOTAM

Q) EGTT/QMXCL/IV/M/A/000/999/5321N00217W005
B) FROM: 18/12/10 16:00C) TO: 19/03/10 06:00E) TWY NA HAS RELOCATED 82M NORTH OF OLD LOCATION. TWY IS UNLIT. FOLLOW
ME PROVIDED HN AND DURING LOW VIS OPS

My understanding of this amendment is that the airport is temporarily using the new Pier One taxiway Kilo but under the old taxiway name.

Any thoughts from anyone - maybe Roverman?

[viscount702]

Since I've not seen an OAN having been issued for this change, although OAN 126/2018 is currently missing, I thought I would include details from the relevant NOTAM

Q) EGTT/QMXCL/IV/M/A/000/999/5321N00217W005
B) FROM: 18/12/10 16:00C) TO: 19/03/10 06:00E) TWY NA HAS RELOCATED 82M NORTH OF OLD LOCATION. TWY IS UNLIT. FOLLOW
ME PROVIDED HN AND DURING LOW VIS OPS

My understanding of this amendment is that the airport is temporarily using the new Pier One taxiway Kilo but under the old taxiway name.

Any thoughts from anyone - maybe Roverman?

Hi Scottie.

OAN 118. I agree with your assessment based on what has been said because I don't think Kilo will be complete before the new November Alpha comes into use.

[roverman]

Hi Scottie.

OAN 118. I agree with your assessment based on what has been said because I don't think Kilo will be complete before the new November Alpha comes into use.

N-A is the temporary designator for Kilo until that is released from its present duties at Re-designation Phase 2 in early 2020. The N-A designator is then redundant. It has escaped media attention but the taxiway brought into use yesterday is the first genuinely new piece of airfield concrete (at least part of it is) of the MAN-TP development.

[Betablockeruk]

American Airlines plans Boeing 787 Philadelphia service in W19 (https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/281943/american-airlines-plans-boeing-787-philadelphia-service-in-w19/)

Philadelphia – Manchester eff 03NOV19 787-8 replaces A330-200 (767 operates from 03OCT19 to 02NOV19)

Credit @Airlineroute (https://twitter.com/Airlineroute)

[MAN2SIN2BKK2FRA]

From memory BA reached a peak of about 12 weakday departures on man-lhr flights

If I remember correctly the peak 'Shuttle' was 12 per day plus back ups on the early morning and some evening flights

[BHX5DME]

If I remember correctly the peak 'Shuttle' was 12 per day plus back ups on the early morning and some evening flights

The frequency was always going to decrease as Manchester gets more and more long haul operators (Ethiopian & Jet for example), I can see the shuttle going completely at some point as MAN continues to attract new airlines and HS2 come online, also BA can use the valuable LHR slots to start additional routes ex LHR

[116d]

Yep - I don't understand the Virgin policy. The 747 is the wrong plane in the winter. Waaay too much rear end capacity and not enough front end. The 14 UC seats in the Jumbo is around half (?) what you get in the A330 and for that matter the Delta 767s that used to run those routes. In my regular experience of both types, they didn't have any difficulty more or less filling them. They are suppressing their own demand...a strange business model.
I'm looking for alternative options for the next stateside trip (actually working on the SQ/UA option even though it would be self connect)

If it wasn't for the RR engine issues on the 787's, I suspect we wouldn't be seeing 747's operating MAN-JFK/ATL.

For what it's worth, I was on VS127 on 23rd November and VS128 on the 28th, both flights had just under 400 passengers plus crew. It was noticeable whilst waiting for bags at MAN how many cases were for passengers who had connected at JFK off DL flights.

[TURIN]

The frequency was always going to decrease as Manchester gets more and more long haul operators (Ethiopian & Jet for example), I can see the shuttle going completely at some point as MAN continues to attract new airlines and HS2 come online, also BA can use the valuable LHR slots to start additional routes ex LHR
Well that's thirty years off so no worries.

[Council Van]

From tomorrow's TAF.

Prob 30 Tempo 1509/1518 4000 FZRA

If this happens no one will be going any place with the resulting crap hold over times and the airports inability to de/anti-ice anything.

Be careful out there in your Turbo Props People.

Time to revisit the effects of tail plane icing.

[roverman]

From tomorrow's TAF.

Prob 30 Tempo 1509/1518 4000 FZRA

If this happens no one will be going any place with the resulting crap hold over times and the airports inability to de/anti-ice anything.

Be careful out there in your Turbo Props People.

Time to revisit the effects of tail plane icing.
I think you mean the airline-contracted ground handlers inability to de-ice any aircraft. The airport itself usually does rather well at de-icing the runways etc.

[spannersatcx]

De-icing is not helped by the airport not accommodating remote de-icing, insisting it has to be done on stand, with a 15 minute taxi time and a holdover that starts as soon as you de-ice you have no chance. So although the airport does not do de-icing it is culpable for it's lack of remote de-icing as most other airports have!

[flightcatcher]

From tomorrow's TAF.

Prob 30 Tempo 1509/1518 4000 FZRA

If this happens no one will be going any place with the resulting crap hold over times and the airports inability to de/anti-ice anything.

Be careful out there in your Turbo Props People.

Time to revisit the effects of tail plane icing.

Freezing rain goes well beyond any airport deicing ability. Runways / taxiways might be ok but the aircraft absolutely won't - regardless of how much (or how recently) they have been anti-iced, it's an absolute no-no as I understand it. I'm happy to be corrected if there are any pilots on here who could confirm a scenario in which they'd be happy to start, taxi and depart during freezing rain conditions.

[Reversethrustset]

It doesn't really matter what pilots are happy or unhappy with, most, if not all airline operations preclude their aircraft from operating in freezing rain/drizzle.

[Council Van]

Freezing rain goes well beyond any airport deicing ability. Runways / taxiways might be ok but the aircraft absolutely won't - regardless of how much (or how recently) they have been anti-iced, it's an absolute no-no as I understand it. I'm happy to be corrected if there are any pilots on here who could confirm a scenario in which they'd be happy to start, taxi and depart during freezing rain conditions.
I would have to consult the ops manual for hold over time, but have never departed in freezing rain so can not remember but I think you might get something like ten mins so remote de/anti icing at the hold would possibly give you a chance to get away if it was well organised as it is at such places as Munich with the drive through de icing

[spannersatcx]

light freezing rain type 4 fluid -3c and above 100% mix, 1 to 2 hours HOT, -3C TO -14C 30 mins HOT

[jfy1999]

Aarhus is a new route (https://www.sasgroup.net/en/ny-rute-sas-flyver-til-manchester-fra-aarhus/) for summer 2019 operating Mon/Wed/Fri.

[techair]

Aarhus with a full service carrier, that's quite left field even by Manchester standards!

[Flightrider]

Would Belgrade with Air Serbia be even more left field then?

[techair]

Flight rider.
Tough one, but no.

[FFMAN]

Would Belgrade with Air Serbia be even more left field then?

This confirmed yet?
Would be good. Belgrade is a large European capital city with a lot going for it - I recommend it to those who haven't been. Also Air Serbia is a pretty decent airline thanks to its Etihad legacy - have heard it's not quite as good as it was but still fine by today's standards.

Aarhus by SAS is definitely left field but very welcome - I work regularly with a Danish colleague who speaks highly of the place even though he is from CPH

[Betablockeruk]

Nothing on Air Serbia website re Manchester. Just offers 1 stoppers to Belgrade.

definitely left field More left field than Tashkent on Uzbekistan Airways or Havana on Cubana?

Is the definition of 'left field' = I'll be surprised if that works?

[DomyDom]

Would Belgrade with Air Serbia be even more left field then?

Please can you advise if this is this serious new route information or just a joke? Thanks.

[Flightrider]

It's serious. 2 x weekly A319.

[DomyDom]

It's serious. 2 x weekly A319.
Thanks Flightrider👍 Something a little different. I shall give it a go.

[Armodeen]

No posts about the LGW diversion frenzy today? MAN has taken 9 (right?) aircraft already, including a Virgin 747 and Norwegian 787-9. Might be another Norwegian on the way too?

[Betablockeruk]

No posts about the LGW diversion frenzy today? MAN has taken 9 (right?) aircraft already, including a Virgin 747 and Norwegian 787-9. Might be another Norwegian on the way too?

MAN has taken 10 diversions and well done to all, considering the reduced stands, building site, etc.

Just pushed a red nose 787 into engine test bay so it must be getting a bit tight for room now?

Ironic that it is 8 years to the day when snow brought Heathrow to it's knees and we've seen many changes since to avoid such chaos. I guess we'll see the same 're-thinking' after this farce.

[Navpi]

Fom a drone over Gatwick to a drone in Whitehall.

It might be awake up call for Grayling etc.

I cannot believe that Sellafield, LATCC, Various RAF airfields don't (I suspect) have any defence against these things.

Fingers crossed MAG are on the ball.

[Council Van]

Fom a drone over Gatwick to a drone in Whitehall.

It might be awake up call for Grayling etc.

I cannot believe that Sellafield, LATCC, Various RAF airfields don't (I suspect) have any defence against these things.

Fingers crossed MAG are on the ball.
I once got a phone call for flying to close to the Heysham restricted zone around the power station.

We had told them we were coming, had not entered the restricted zone and as we were a Cat A flight the restriction did not apply to us so I gained great pleasure in pointing out the error of their ways and was left wondering how bright/prepared they were.

​​​​​In some place like Russia or the USA the Gatwick incident would have been over in 30 minutes, in Lefty Libtard UK, more than 30 hours.

[Espada III]

24th December at 0715. Only four out of 13 security lanes open on main level. The wait was over an hour. Constantly blaming the passengers (not getting everything out for X-ray) instead of understanding that it is Christmas, people have lots of stuff so they need to increase staff provision to accommodate the increased numbers and potential for increased manual searching. No customer service.

So I didn't buy any duty free nor any magazines. What a waste of time and lost monetary opportunity.

Which morons run the airport? Could not organise a party in a distillery.....

[DomyDom]

I once got a phone call for flying to close to the Heysham restricted zone around the power station.

We had told them we were coming, had not entered the restricted zone and as we were a Cat A flight the restriction did not apply to us so I gained great pleasure in pointing out the error of their ways and was left wondering how bright/prepared they were.

​​​​​In some place like Russia or the USA the Gatwick incident would have been over in 30 minutes, in Lefty Libtard UK, more than 30 hours.

More likely requiring LGW to provide effective drone protection would make it less commercially attractive to any potential 'owner' shareholders and their highly numerated directors. Nothing to do with lefties/liberals.

[AndrewH52]

I once got a phone call for flying to close to the Heysham restricted zone around the power station.

We had told them we were coming, had not entered the restricted zone and as we were a Cat A flight the restriction did not apply to us so I gained great pleasure in pointing out the error of their ways and was left wondering how bright/prepared they were.

​​​​​In some place like Russia or the USA the Gatwick incident would have been over in 30 minutes, in Lefty Libtard UK, more than 30 hours.

And thankfully (perhaps) in “Lefty Libtard U.K.” you received a phone call rather than being shot out of the sky without warning.

[Mr A Tis]

24th December at 0715. Only four out of 13 security lanes open on main level. The wait was over an hour. Constantly blaming the passengers (not getting everything out for X-ray) instead of understanding that it is Christmas, people have lots of stuff so they need to increase staff provision to accommodate the increased numbers and potential for increased manual searching. No customer service.

So I didn't buy any duty free nor any magazines. What a waste of time and lost monetary opportunity.

Which morons run the airport? Could not organise a party in a distillery.....

Not much better on 23rd. Most lanes closed, we were directed to lane 12 which had stalled due to only one search personnel. They kept sending people to this stalled lane - even though other lanes were free.
we were not allowed to relocate to a free lane as “not possible once allocated”
Embarrassing incompetence even when relatively quiet.

[Ivan aromer]

I've seen similar 'handling' at LTN. I don't think this is unusual. I have seen my bag thrown, rather than placed on the belt. What is strange is that these workers forget that the customer is looking out the window.
if you google "Dave Carroll." An Americam folk singer who had the misfortune to fly with United Airlines. The baggage handlers broke his guitar so he wrote a song "United breaks guitars" The vid went viral, its quite funny too! Cost United a packet.

[DomyDom]

New route from Ryanair: Manchester-Kiev (2 weekly Fri/Mon) from April. On sale now.

[lfc84]

New route from Ryanair: Manchester-Kiev (2 weekly Fri/Mon) from April. On sale now.
has been on sale for ages already

[DomyDom]

has been on sale for ages already
My apologies if I missed it. From what I remember FR had scheduled Kiev flights to start April 18 but has pulled them for some reason. I didn't realise they had reinstated them.

[mmeteesside]

Anything been mentioned about Virgin service increase in winter season?
5 weekly B744 to Atlanta (instead of 3) and 7 weekly A332 to New York JFK (instead of 3)

[Mr A Tis]

Another interesting T1 experience today, this time ground floor screening.Time 45 minutes.
security barking at passengers sayings it’s your own fault not taking liquids & electronics out.
My bag was sidelined too, the same bag with the same contents packed the same way has already been through Manchester, Frankfurt, Salzburg & Vienna the last 5 days without being pulled. Nothing was “found” . From what I observed this was the case with most of the bags being pulled.
Hence the delays were NOT caused by pax but the screening process in place at Manchester.
if you’ve got 45 minutes delays mid December then I fear summer 2019 will be no better than this years chaos.
ive read the customer services manager report on security delays given at the Consultative meetings & it bears no resemblance to my experiences. How she compiles her statistics, I don’t know.

[Ph1l1pncl]

Manchester are just as bad for staff search. It’s got the reputation as the worst place for being screened as operating crew at my airline. Thankfully I’m not based there as doing that multiple times in a month would drive me crazy. The bark and shout and have their own rules which no other airports in the UK seem to have. So when you fall foul of one of these unique manchester rules they go crazy.

[paully]

Manchester are just as bad for staff search. It’s got the reputation as the worst place for being screened as operating crew at my airline. Thankfully I’m not based there as doing that multiple times in a month would drive me crazy. The bark and shout and have their own rules which no other airports in the UK seem to have. So when you fall foul of one of these unique manchester rules they go crazy.

If, as I did ,you complain to the supervisor stood watching the particular shambles, they give you a smug smile and tell you that they do it much better at Manchester than other airports in the UK...
They are so up themselves they probably actually believe it which is the concerning factor. By having this arrogant self belief you are intrinsically reducing the quality and safety of the work you do...
Avoid Manchester....we do

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

they give you a smug smile and tell you that they do it much better at Manchester than other airports in the UK...
I've had this too. Someone has been drumming this into them repeatedly it seems, he smirked as he referred to "The Manchester Way" of doing it "properly". In his mind, LHR and LGW were dangerously lax, God only knows what he would have made of the TSA who allowed me to drink my forgotten bottled water post security before proceeding. The MAN chap was adamant I would NOT be allowed to even touch it, as to quote him, "I could drink it and blow myself up." THIS has been taught to them.

[Johnny F@rt Pants]

Manchester are just as bad for staff search. It’s got the reputation as the worst place for being screened as operating crew at my airline. Thankfully I’m not based there as doing that multiple times in a month would drive me crazy. The bark and shout and have their own rules which no other airports in the UK seem to have. So when you fall foul of one of these unique manchester rules they go crazy.

Having been based at MAN for the last 14 years you describe something that I have never witnessed. Yes, they sometimes have their own interpretation that causes a fuss, but it’s usually short lived and gets ironed out fairly quickly. I have never ever witnessed any of them going “crazy”, nor have I ever witnessed them “barking and shouting”. I find security at MAN very straight forward, I remove my iPad and my liquids from my bag, remove my coat/blazer and my phone and put them through the scanner, I walk through the scanner and collect my belongings on the other side, simple. I have found other airports far more restrictive making me remove my belt and my shoes, neither of which I do at MAN. They aren’t perfect but they do not deserve the picture you paint.

[Flightrider]

Sorry to say that I do regard all three of the MAG airports as the worst in the country from a passenger's perspective of security, and that's from a very broad experience base of frequent travel. I haven't had the same as Skip 1F but have had several other experiences where asinine rules are enforced - usually by shouting at groups of people in queues - that only appear at MAN, EMA or STN. I'm afraid that I've come to associate MAG airports with long security queues, shouty staff, silly local rules, slow processing due to a crazy insistence on almost each item having its own tray for search, far higher probability of trays being rejected for search, and a superior belief that they are somehow doing things better than other airports by enforcing all of these. And anyone with the temerity to challenge or question any of this is told "it's for your own safety". I actively try to avoid all three where I have an alternative.

[Curious Pax]

Perhaps someone could be a bit more specific about these Manchester only security rules? I’m intrigued as to what causes the issues.

[AndrewH52]

Perhaps someone could be a bit more specific about these Manchester only security rules? I’m intrigued as to what causes the issues.

For one, the insistence that you can’t put more than one item in a tray, e.g. coat, camera, hand luggage all have to go in a tray of their own....

[TURIN]

Perhaps someone could be a bit more specific about these Manchester only security rules? I’m intrigued as to what causes the issues.
During 'the winter months' shoes are to be removed if the walk through device goes off with a random alert. The reason? Because the de-icing grit that is spread outside the door will set off the 'sniffer' explosive detector that is used to swab your hands and shoes normally.

When a bus full of air crew is being 'processed' through security, woe betide anyone who isn't air crew if they try and mingle amongst them and slip through while they check their hold bags through the x-ray machine. An A380 has a large compliment of crew, waiting 20 minutes or more while they clear security is not unheard of.

An allen (hex) key is considered an offensive weapon and may not be taken airside unless you possess the necessary ToT pass.

i could go on...

[Mr A Tis]

Well, according to the MAG customer service response, a pax cannot change security lanes once a lane has been allocated- DfT rules. Is that true?
Also once again blame for delays are put purely on the pax not abiding by the rules. So only a Manchester originating passengers cause delays?
Also does not explain:-

[QUOTE][My bag was sidelined too, the same bag with the same contents packed the same way has already been through Manchester, Frankfurt, Salzburg & Vienna the last 5 days without being pulled. Nothing was “found” . From what I observed this was the case with most of the bags being pulled.
Hence the delays were NOT caused by pax but the screening process in place at Manchester./QUOTE]

[A320ECAM]

After reading the reports about damaged luggage and how the cave men like ground staff throw around luggage, I refuse to ever fly in and from MAN.

[SWBKCB]

Yes - they use kid gloves at every other airport... :ugh:

or maybe fake news!

[Flightrider]

There is nothing to stop a customer changing lanes. This is another MAG silly rule that they believe stops passengers from selecting a different lane if they can observe different and less onerous screening in their new chosen lane. Quite why that should ever be the case is a mystery to me, but that’s what they say. Fallen foul of that one before now too.

Other ministry of silly rules stuff at MAG airports includes their policy on use of mobile phones in their extensive queues, their policy on taking frozen food through staff search and their approach to medicines in passenger hold baggage alongside other liquids. All are unique to MAG.

[VickersVicount]

changing lanes to suit is not unique to MAG

[SWBKCB]

Nor is the ban on the use of mobile phones.

[Council Van]

Having been based at MAN for the last 14 years you describe something that I have never witnessed. Yes, they sometimes have their own interpretation that causes a fuss, but it’s usually short lived and gets ironed out fairly quickly. I have never ever witnessed any of them going “crazy”, nor have I ever witnessed them “barking and shouting”. I find security at MAN very straight forward, I remove my iPad and my liquids from my bag, remove my coat/blazer and my phone and put them through the scanner, I walk through the scanner and collect my belongings on the other side, simple. I have found other airports far more restrictive making me remove my belt and my shoes, neither of which I do at MAN. They aren’t perfect but they do not deserve the picture you paint.
The worst I have come across is Edinburgh when you are trying to get on to the freight apron. Even when the frozen food rules were changed at Manch I never had any issues. I actually feel sorry for the security staff, poorly paid for a seriously important job and if they make any sort of mistake I understand they are given their cards very quickly.

[Flightrider]

Nor is the ban on the use of mobile phones.

I think pretty much every airport has "no photography" signs in security areas. From my experiences this year, MAG airports are the only ones that extend this to an outright ban on use of mobile phones anywhere and enforce it with people shouting at you. Others are pragmatic and recognise that if your phone is pointing at the floor and you are typing a text or e-mail or something, you are unlikely to be a security threat.

Above comments were made from my own experience of flying through 22 UK airports this year. That clearly doesn't make it a definitive list.

[160to4DME]

How are Jet doing out of MAN ?

Reports suggest they defaulted on their bank payments on December 31st, forcing a disclosure statement to the Indian Stock Exchange...

[Trav a la]

How are Jet doing out of MAN ?

Reports suggest they defaulted on their bank payments on December 31st, forcing a disclosure statement to the Indian Stock Exchange...

Very well.

Most outbound are full or close to full and inbound are pretty full. Don't have any figures to hand but will get some examples next week.

[ifu05596]

Perhaps someone could be a bit more specific about these Manchester only security rules? I’m intrigued as to what causes the issues.

there are one or two of the staff who insist on seperate trays per electronic item in T3. So imagine, work laptop then iPad. Then go my liquids (not allowed in same tray as my bag or electrical) but can go with my belt and phone. Then goes my main cabin bag. Then goes my laptop bag. Then goes my jacket (not allowed under either bag. I have just sent 6 trays through security search. In Glasgow, Edinburgh and Heathrow this would be in 2, max 3. These airports are all fine with multiple electronics if they are flat and has no issue with liquids being in there either as long as they aren’t on top of anything. Also no issue with multiple bags or bags on top of coats. Sure makes the process faster if the number of trays are reduced by 50-66%... repeat that by x many passengers!

[zed3]

Returned to The Island through Schiphol on 28th Dec. Coat, laptop still in case, wallet, keys, travel bag, all in one box and through the scanner without problems. Friendly staff also, so it can be done.

[Celtic_Plumber]

In my recent experience at T3 trays get rejected and sent to the "naughty side" no matter that they are compliant. For example - boots removed, placed into tray on their own - rejected for hand search. The security operator rolled his eyes, blamed the remote operator of the scanner, and said there was nothing wrong.

Last week, my iPad and a coat in a tray - rejected for hand search because the coat was slightly touching (but not covering) the iPad.

"We do things properly in Manchester" is a refrain I have heard many times - I guess this is drilled into the security operatives at their briefings, but the implication is that other airports don't?

[ICEHOUSES]

I travel monthly through MAN airport, always find the security operators constantly grabbing search trays off passengers whilst placing contents in before they have finished, resulting in passengers using sometimes four or five trays with belongings in. As the poster above has just mentioned, other airports in UK and Europe you can manage to fill several trays and go through search areas without any need for this with numerous trays. All this results in extra queues at MAN airport security amongst other problems, I also notice the constant shouting by security personnel walking around the search area at queues of passengers explaining the liquid regulations, this is unprofessional and not done at other airports.

[ifu05596]

I travel monthly through MAN airport, always find the security operators constantly grabbing search trays off passengers whilst placing contents in before they have finished, resulting in passengers using sometimes four or five trays with belongings in. As the poster above has just mentioned, other airports in UK and Europe you can manage to fill several trays and go through search areas without any need for this with numerous trays. All this results in extra queues at MAN airport security amongst other problems, I also notice the constant shouting by security personnel walking around the search area at queues of passengers explaining the liquid regulations, this is unprofessional and not done at other airports.

I usually keep to myself going through security but last month I also saw this behaviour. A passenger got slightly annoyed and asked them to stop. The two security people started talking to each other about how much better they were than the rogues in Amsterdam and Heathrow (clearly antagonising the passenger). When the passenger finished they pushed the tray over (too abruptly) and you should have seen the song and dance. One of them asking the other if her hand was ok or did it get jammed or damaged. They then started talking about the passenger... when I got through the security person was complaining about the passenger. I went up discreetly afterwards and said the staff certainly didn’t help the situation by being overbearing on trays, talking condescendingly about passengers to each other and completely overreacting about ‘assault’. It was at the very most a grumpy passenger. I was thanked then who knows what happened!

The whole pantomime was completely unnecessary and avoidable.

[Trav a la]

Some example figures for the Jet Airways Mumbai service as promised.

When this new service was originally announced it was 4x weekly, advanced bookings were so strong that it was upgraded to 5x weekly before the first flight. According to reports from Jet, advanced bookings on many flights are around 90% iirc. I believe their A332's have 251 seating so some very good LF's.

20/12 191 217
21/12 151 247
22/12 183 220
23/12 161 255
24/12 192 256
31/12 223 240
3/1/19 215 251
4/1/19 246 238

Just for interest, here are a few for the new Ethiopian too. This service operates 4x weekly, initially via Brussels.

30/1 88 152
1/1/19 112 86
2/1/19 83 125
4/1/19 135 128

[Mister Geezer]

Returned to The Island through Schiphol on 28th Dec. Coat, laptop still in case, wallet, keys, travel bag, all in one box and through the scanner without problems. Friendly staff also, so it can be done.

AMS has invested in 3D security scanners, so the person viewing the image of your belongings can view them in 3D, hence no need to remove anything from your hand luggage.

Light years ahead of the UK?

[Mr A Tis]

To be honest, I am sick and tired of being told by security staff and customer services that Manchester security delays are caused solely by passengers.
Clearly Manchester has an issue with staffing and training.
Often very inadequate staffing for a demand that is known in advance.
Far too many body searches and an extremely high bag rejection rate- way beyond that of almost any other airport in the world. In many-maybe the majority of cases, there is no valid reason for bag rejection. Either the staff training is crap or the equipment they are using is crap.
If you've got 45 minute delays in late December - then I'd give MAN a swerve for summer.

[LAX_LHR]

I know I said I wouldn’t post but:

Aside from copious amounts of either B/S And/or over exaggerated examples (Ive seen figures and have personal evidence that at least ones ‘experience’ on here is complete B/S), but, all of you are moaning on the wrong place.

Complain to MAG, not anonymous moans on here. It ain’t going to change unless you direct your complaints to the right people. In particular, I know that Mr A Tis has been given the opportunity to direct complaints to the head of security, yet declined because they were ‘too busy’. Not too busy to post inane drivel on here though, eh?

either put up or shut up. Direct your complaints to the right people and spare all the other readers this boring nonsense. If it’s as bad as you lot say it is, work to sort it. Like I say, to busy to formally complain but not too busy to post to people on here who frankly don’t give a sh*t how long it took you to get through security.....

[southside bobby]

In my view the forum & the MAN thread in particular have missed LAX LHR & have been much the poorer with the absence.

[LAX_LHR]

Southside. Many thanks, but, It’s precisely the recent pages of moans on here by the usual suspects as to why I don’t post on here anymore. There has been plenty of news, but, when readership is way down thanks to the moaners, why bother?

had to post in this instance though, as bit my tongue long enough but knowing that at least one person is telling complete porkies and then another too busy to formally complain but not too busy to post on here, I took the bait. Like I say, no one cares how long it took an anonymous and frankly unverified person to clear security, so either put up or shut up. very simple.

[southside bobby]

Totally sympathize & agree,the thread has been captured by the agenda posters in recent times as it has been before from time to time here.

There undoubtedly will be a silent majority who are zoning out again now because of it but would readily welcome NEWS as provided on this thread in the inimitable way as previously.

[sherburn2LA]

On the contrary if you look this thread was started as a commentary on the ongoing shambles that Manchester has become not confined to the security although that is one of the worst aspects. It is the management fan boys that have provided the thread drift.

I am far from one of the usual suspects (just 1 prior post on this thread I think) and I do think the comments provide a useful warning to many any get wider publicity than you might think. What is the point in complaining to the head or security. Do you think that the sort of f**kwittery that goes on is without his approval or even instigation? It is far and away the worst I have seen not discounting my weekly encounters with TSA.


,

[chaps1954]

Why go low as head of security GO TO THE TOP if you are that fed up

Ian

[LAX_LHR]

On the contrary if you look this thread was started as a commentary on the ongoing shambles that Manchester has become not confined to the security although that is one of the worst aspects. It is the management fan boys that have provided the thread drift.

no, this thread was started as a continuation from the old thread after the post count becomes too high, hence Manchester-2, it’s not the official ‘MAN rant’ thread, it’s for all news. And in terms of ‘management fanboys derailing the thread’, it used to run fine before the overbearing moaners reigned, so, maybe get that head out of your ar*e, yeah?

. What is the point in complaining to the head or security. Do you think that the sort of f**kwittery that goes on is without his approval or even instigation? It is far and away the worst I have seen not discounting my weekly encounters with TSA.

You say what is the point in complaining to the head of security, but what is the point in moaning on here? Warn the public? The public rarely view this website, and of the aviation professionals/avgeeks that do read the site, the vast majority don’t give a sh*t.
but, you do miss my point completely, don’t moan on here saying nothing ever changes, yet when you are given the chance to direct your complaint at one of the very few people that can make that change, then bottle it and say you are ‘too busy’. It’s like not voting in the general election and then complaining they are not doing a good job. Even if the change doesn’t happen, at least you can hold your head high and say that you tried. Too many keyboard warriors and not enough action.

[A330ETOPS]

I was Operating crew last week on a 22:10 departure (From T1).

The staff channel that we take via T3 was closed so we headed up to the Pax channel. They wouldn’t let us through as apparently she “wasn’t authorised to let crew through”!

We we had to go back to T1 and through pax channel. I’ve emailed the relevant department but don’t expect any response. What an absolute joke this place is becoming !!

[Flightrider]

Just to say, I have raised the issues I have encountered on two separate occasions with MAG senior management including details of dates and times. I may have time to “moan” on here but I also have time to ensure my feedback and views are clearly known. It does seem, sadly, as though even the senior management team are unable to bring any lasting influence to bear over the security shambles beyond acknowledging my views and that they hear the same feedback in other quarters.

[Flightlevel001]

For those that don't know who to contact or don't have the time to, I have noticed that they've installed a couple of those 'instant feedback' podiums just after security at T3 now... brave.

Just select the face that matches your own on the way out. And if you get around the corner and realise they've got you queuing for 15/20 mins because they are decanting a BA shuttle and blocking the entire corridor, you'll have time to go back and hammer the unhappy face a few more times.

[SWBKCB]

I think this issue has been done to death now - can we move on?

[planedrive]

Does anyone have any idea of new routes for EZY this spring summer? Apparently they're basing another 2/3 aircraft at Manchester from Feb/March time but I haven't seen any new routes or increased frequencies announced as yet. Maybe Stuttgart if Ryanair are cancelling it (according to the RYR thread on here).

[CabinCrewe]

There wont be 3 new EZY aircraft at MAN by Feb

[chaps1954]

I thought it was said May/June

[SWBKCB]

My understanding is that they are crewing up for 17 by the peak summer season - no idea on the timing for the arrivals.

[golf yankee one one]

I was interested to read the Ethiopian numbers from Trav a la a few days ago. Whilst at first sight they don't look too great, this is initially a BRU and MAN service so hopefully it is viable and will steadily grow until the BRU stop can be eliminated.
Personally I feel that this is possibly the most important new route for MAN recently; although ADD/ Ethiopia are not major destinations the ET service opens up the whole continent of Africa. If the service succeeds, ET could become the preferred way to reach South Africa, Kenya, Tanzania, Botswana, Namibia, Indian Ocean islands and a host of other cities.
I have recently returned from a journey which involved 8 sectors on ET (sadly before MAN started); all were on time, the planes and the staff seemed professional and friendly, and a snack or meal was served on every leg except for a 25 minute hop. I would recommend anyone to try them.
Finally, Trav a la, please publish some more figures for their loads as time goes by.

[DomyDom]

My understanding is that they are crewing up for 17 by the peak summer season - no idea on the timing for the arrivals.

Thanks SWBKCB. Do you have nay idea if this will involve any extra aircraft being based at MAN?

[MANFOD]

As I recall, the original easyjet announcement said they were adding 2 extra based a/c for winter 18/19 making 14 based, and then a further 3 for peak summer 2019 to 17 based a/c.

The new routes introduced in winter will (unless any were winter seasonal) continue into S19, but although there has been speculation what new routes may start this summer, I'm not aware there has been any official announcement.

[boredintheairport]

I was interested to read the Ethiopian numbers from Trav a la a few days ago. Whilst at first sight they don't look too great, this is initially a BRU and MAN service so hopefully it is viable and will steadily grow until the BRU stop can be eliminated.
Personally I feel that this is possibly the most important new route for MAN recently; although ADD/ Ethiopia are not major destinations the ET service opens up the whole continent of Africa. If the service succeeds, ET could become the preferred way to reach South Africa, Kenya, Tanzania, Botswana, Namibia, Indian Ocean islands and a host of other cities.
I have recently returned from a journey which involved 8 sectors on ET (sadly before MAN started); all were on time, the planes and the staff seemed professional and friendly, and a snack or meal was served on every leg except for a 25 minute hop. I would recommend anyone to try them.
Finally, Trav a la, please publish some more figures for their loads as time goes by.

Assuming that in Tra Va La's figures, the right-hand most column is outbound from Manchester, it looks like over those selected dates the plane was approximately a bit less than half full leaving Manchester (seat guru said about 280 seats, but the distribution of passenger numbers between economy and business is unknown). Leaving half to be mopped up at Brussels, which doesn't seem too surprising. If this was direct it would be more concerning. The inbound figures are more concerning, though perhaps not surprising.

[Severn]

EZY - Peak Summer-2019

The current schedule requires 15x based aircraft (3x A319, 12x A320) around the beginning of August, with another A320 based after the 12th August making 16x based (+4 A320 on 2018).

By the week beginning the 19th August there will be 293 departures per week which will be 51 departures per week more than the same time in 2018 including 6 new routes - ACE, BCN, BOD, BUD, FAO & LIS.

[doublesix]

I personally spoke to the Captain of the Ethiopian inbound flight a couple of weeks ago and asked what the load factor was into Manchester. He replied 57 but it was not surprising with a new route. He seemed confident it would improve.

[Manchester Exile]

Have the December passenger figures been released? I've searched on Google to try to find them and also trawled around the airport's website without any success. If anyone has details or a link, can you post them please?

[Scottie Dog]

Have the December passenger figures been released? I've searched on Google to try to find them and also trawled around the airport's website without any success. If anyone has details or a link, can you post them please?

Nothing available at this moment in time. Having said that I would expect a press release either today or maybe Monday.

[BHX5DME]

http://mediacentre.magairports.com/mag-airports-are-now-serving-18million-more-passengers-than-five-years-ago/

[Manchester Exile]

Thanks Scottie and BHX5DME. Good to see growth and I note that STN will overtake MAN in 2019.

[chaps1954]

Probably not as most of Manchester traffic is in summer so more likeley next winter but there is large growth due at Manchester this year so guess
we will just have to wait and see.

[southside bobby]

The pattern seems to have emerged that STN is the busier in winter & then MAN is the busier in summer,it will be interesting nonetheless to monitor events going forward as they say.

The last prediction by MAG I recollect was STN to achieve the 30m thruput by the end of the next financial year.

[BHX5DME]

I think STN will have greater growth than MAN in 2019 and will reach 30m sooner.

I am aware the MAN S19 slots are way up but I see a lot of this getting handed back and growth of circa 5%

Which is still a great result.

[chaps1954]

Easyjet are still working on 17 aircraft from late July and I think 10/15% rise is achievable for MAN and 30 M could happen late summer early autumn

[wondersky]

Guys, it's easy to make a stall warning during G+B hydraulic, especially after the gear down, the stall warning over pitch movement gets very sensitive. Any tips to make a clean approach without hearing the nuissance of stall warning?

[OltonPete]

Easyjet are still working on 17 aircraft from late July and I think 10/15% rise is achievable for MAN and 30 M could happen late summer early autumn

I checked the first Monday in August and still 15 required and 17 is quite an ask with 6 months to go to the summer school holidays to add 28 frequencies a week. Is the issue available aircraft or the appropriate slots at Manchester and the "away" airport?

Pete

[chaps1954]

Pete I think some more routes for August onwards to be announced, will have to wait and see

[Mister Geezer]

Guys, it's easy to make a stall warning during G+B hydraulic, especially after the gear down, the stall warning over pitch movement gets very sensitive. Any tips to make a clean approach without hearing the nuissance of stall warning?

I find that actioning the G+N+T procedure with light icing conditions, provides an optimum result. :E

You might want to post this elsewhere for a more detailed response. ;)

[MANFOD]

easyjet August:
I checked the first Monday in August and still 15 required and 17 is quite an ask with 6 months to go to the summer school holidays to add 28 frequencies a week. Is the issue available aircraft or the appropriate slots at Manchester and the "away" airport? Pete

Pete, have you read Severn's post # 2677 above. He reckons a 16th a/c is required the w/c 12 August.
In terms of growth, it ought to be remembered that S18 was only 12 based with the increase to 14 based taking place this winter.

Nevertheless, the implication is that a 17th based frame would mean some new routes so we'll have to wait and see. My understanding is that slots have been allocated for 17 based so presumably MAN have the runway and terminal capacity and parking space.

[OltonPete]

easyjet August:


Pete, have you read Severn's post # 2677 above. He reckons a 16th a/c is required the w/c 12 August.
In terms of growth, it ought to be remembered that S18 was only 12 based with the increase to 14 based taking place this winter.

Nevertheless, the implication is that a 17th based frame would mean some new routes so we'll have to wait and see. My understanding is that slots have been allocated for 17 based so presumably MAN have the runway and terminal capacity and parking space.

Thank you for the pointer, with such a large schedule it is hard work to go through all of it quickly but I have found the extra Faro on Monday making 16 aircraft and the extra Palma on a Friday making 16 from the week of the 12th but it is not yet repeated on Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday as far as I could tell (still 15) in the last week of August. Also what an odd time to add extra flights just a few weeks before the schools go back unless that is the very earliest they can source the aircraft.

Pete

[The Flying Cokeman]

Regarding EZY at MAN I think you will see 18 airframes this summer and 20 in 2020. New routes coming soon are IOM and JER (moved from LPL base) and INN most likely to become an all year round route up to 3 times a week.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

What’s MAN’s biggest based carrier if EZY go to 20 based?
What’s Jet2 and Ryanair at?

Also by way of context, what was the biggest the based BA One Eleven or B732 ever got to?

[Rutan16]

Skip the BA mainline JET base never got more than 6 - Yes 6 residents plus a few outstationed in Glasgow, Belfast and Edinburgh.Plus the upto two Trans Atlantic birds.

When the British Regional joined they added some of the ATPs and Jetstreams another 4 or five .

Easy Ryan and Jet2 all put BA in the shade capacity wise today.

[Logohu]

Skip the BA mainline JET base never got more than 6 - Yes 6 residents plus a few outstationed in Glasgow, Belfast and Edinburgh.Plus the upto two Trans Atlantic birds.

That's right, of the 18 BAC-111-510s delivered, I recall 6 based at MAN and the other 12 at Berlin, with all 18 cycling through MAN for maintenance. When the Berlin base ran down the 12 were scattered around other UK airports. A bunch of other 1-11s were added later, mainly as a result of mergers and take overs, but were based elsewhere (mainly BHX)

When the British Regional joined they added some of the ATPs and Jetstreams another 4 or five .

And who could ever forget BACON and their collection of Dash-8s and Embraers - which unfortunately turned out to be a bit of a pig as far as BA were concerned and ended in tears :rolleyes: Then there were the BAe146s, which arrived just as the Euro carriers were all upgrading at MAN to A320s and 737NGs.

Certainly no shortage of attempts over the years by BA with a multitude of aircraft types and brandings, but none of them came close to matching the scale of today's based carriers.

[roverman]

What’s MAN’s biggest based carrier if EZY go to 20 based?
What’s Jet2 and Ryanair at?

Also by way of context, what was the biggest tbe based BA One Eleven or B732 ever got to?
When I worked in MAN Airfield Ops 2001-2005 we regularly parked 20+ BA aircraft overnight. Saturdays were the highest number, when fewer were away on European night-stops. I remember 26 being a regular number on Saturdays - we had to 'smart park' them, wingtips dovetailed, up on the West Apron. It was a motley collection of BAe146, ATP, E145 and a few B734s. There was also the sub-based 767 rotated from LHR doing the New York run, but that wasn't on the ground overnight.

[Betablockeruk]

Manchester security got me in a load of bother this am! Gave my son all the worse case scenarios and off he went at 0445 for his 0700 flight. 30 min drive to airport.

0528 "Through security" was the 'wordy' text.

Told him to go and watch the planes. That didn't get a reply :}

[Plane.Silly]

What’s MAN’s biggest based carrier if EZY go to 20 based?
What’s Jet2 and Ryanair at?

Not 100% sure ,but Jet2 would hit 20 a/c this Summer: 12x B738, 7x B752, A330 (Air Tanker lease)
Ryanair might be at 12 a/c ?

[irishlad06]

Not 100% sure ,but Jet2 would hit 20 a/c this Summer: 12x B738, 7x B752, A330 (Air Tanker lease)
Ryanair might be at 12 a/c ?

would be Jet2 with 22 aircraft planned this summer as well as the ALC and PMI based aircraft being used for rotations.
12xB738
7xB757
2xA330-200
1xA330-300

[MKY661]

Regarding EZY at MAN I think you will see 18 airframes this summer and 20 in 2020. New routes coming soon are IOM and JER (moved from LPL base) and INN most likely to become an all year round route up to 3 times a week.

Would be quite surprised if IOM & JER are dropped from LPL, I reckon operating both routes from here and LPL would still work though.

[RVF750]

Went through T3 passenger security the other morning. No queues, plenty of staff and not a problem, except the staff were all totally miserable and up their own posteriors. Couldn't have been more rude if they'd tried. Manchester at it's very best. Once again.

[FFMAN]

I'm a regular critic of the facilities and service experience at MAN but I speak as I find.....on my first two trips so far in the New Year I can honestly say that I have been through security in less than 10 mins on both occasions with no dramas - of course it's the quiet season but it shows what can be done.
I'm still not fond of the 'threats': 'you will be delayed by 30-40 minutes' that sounds like a policy to me - which would be unacceptable.

By the way the shouting has been toned down somewhat in recent times...maybe they read this stuff and have moderated their nonsense. However if you really want to hear some full-on security queue shouting, try any US gateway airport. They are the masters at that.

[Jetaway]

Can anyone shed some light on this?
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/self-driving-cars-tested-year-15685902

We have the walkway tunnels so this really isn't needed is it? And wont they just get caught up in the traffic around the airport anyway, would perhaps take longer than walking from the station.
If something like this was to happen wouldn't it be better to go along the lines of what Heathrow have done with the T5 business car park

Love to know everyone's thoughts
Jetaway

[Plane.Silly]

@ Jetaway

It does raise an interesting point. From the start, there will be an increase in traffic, that parts a given. ONce the sceheme fully kicks in however, i can see this being slightly more beneficial.
In particular, the 'convoy plan', where if all the cars are autonomous, they can drive a lot closer to each other and when the front 'pod' wants to brake, all the others will get the same command, so it would almost work like a train. Compare than to norml driver who have to leave a larger gap inbetween cars to allow for reaction times.
Another big concern would be the price. I could see something like this being a lot more expensive, at least from the outset than driving to/from and parking, maybe something reserved for business/ first class pax only?
At the same time, it's nice to see that MAN is looking to the future and embracing this new technology, which as a fan of autonomous vehicles, i applaud them for

[pholling]

I'm a regular critic of the facilities and service experience at MAN but I speak as I find.....on my first two trips so far in the New Year I can honestly say that I have been through security in less than 10 mins on both occasions with no dramas - of course it's the quiet season but it shows what can be done.
I'm still not fond of the 'threats': 'you will be delayed by 30-40 minutes' that sounds like a policy to me - which would be unacceptable.

By the way the shouting has been toned down somewhat in recent times...maybe they read this stuff and have moderated their nonsense. However if you really want to hear some full-on security queue shouting, try any US gateway airport. They are the masters at that.

Only one trip in the New Year (5-12 Jan) so far, but I did travel out on the 27th of Dec and back on 2 Jan. Completely different experiences. However, they matched the ones I have had all along. The Dec trip was through T1, shouty security, some disorganisation, but slightly improved on my prior trips through there. Returning on a domestic arrival was, as always, as shambles. The Jan trip was T2. No shouting in security, the woman actually helped consolidate trays for our family. This was almost the same experience I had with my two trips out of T2 last summer. Only main difference was no line this time vs <5 min in the summer. This may be because all of my T2 flights are after the big TUI and Jet2 rush (10:30-14:00 departures). It might also be because T2 is never as close to saturation as either T1 or T3 are. Arrivals back in, almost exactly 1 hour from walking off the plan to walking in the front door (40min drive included). No wait in immigration, got all of our bags well within 10 mins of hitting the baggage claim hall, first one in less than 2 mins). MAN is very much an airport of 'diverse' experiences T1 is really a kludge, poor out and in, T3 is swamped in departures and international arrivals, but a breeze for domestic arrivals, and T2 is generally quite pleasant, even with the construction.

[Betablockeruk]

, T3 is swamped in departures and international arrivals,

Bizarrely, last night it was 20 minutes quicker for a US national to get into the UK than UK nationals. Only 3 in the non EU queue and Border Force didn't (don't) allow any of the EU lot to claim that they were 'nearly' not EU. Some tried but were sent to the end of a very long queue.

[roverman]

British Airways are reducing the MAN-LHR service for Summer 2019 from 8 to 6 per weekday, and just 4 or 5 at weekends. This must be the lowest frequency since the 1970s. BA will now have fewer daily flights at MAN than Lufthansa if you discount the seasonal City Flyer schedule and Sun Air, which are not really BA flights. I don't know what the driver is, slot prioritization at Heathrow or just declining market-share at MAN. Are other BA domestics being cut back?

[BHX5DME]

British Airways are reducing the MAN-LHR service for Summer 2019 from 8 to 6 per weekday, and just 4 or 5 at weekends. This must be the lowest frequency since the 1970s. BA will now have fewer daily flights at MAN than Lufthansa if you discount the seasonal City Flyer schedule and Sun Air, which are not really BA flights. I don't know what the driver is, slot prioritization at Heathrow or just declining market-share at MAN. Are other BA domestics being cut back?

I thought it was obvious, MAN is building its own network so reducing the need for people to travel to LHR to connect.
ETH & JEI being the latest long hauls ex MAN

[The96er]

Slot prioritization would appear to be the driving force here. ABZ and NCL are also seeing a reduced frequency. BA at MAN is predominately LHR transfer traffic and BA have figured that they can get away by reducing frequency but maintaining just slightly less uplift (Higher seating configs). The argument that MAN doesn't need BA because of our own growing Intercontinental network does not really hold up as has been commented, the likes of KL/AF/LH en all have maintained frequency.
The schedule for winter 19 is showing 8/9 daily at the moment. Expect that to be reduced too. As for Sun-Air, with RYR starting BLL, they'll probably not be around for much longer unless they can maintain the corporate contracts.

[mullac30]

British Airways are reducing the MAN-LHR service for Summer 2019 from 8 to 6 per weekday, and just 4 or 5 at weekends. This must be the lowest frequency since the 1970s. BA will now have fewer daily flights at MAN than Lufthansa if you discount the seasonal City Flyer schedule and Sun Air, which are not really BA flights. I don't know what the driver is, slot prioritization at Heathrow or just declining market-share at MAN. Are other BA domestics being cut back?
I don't think they are cutting back domestics as it sounds like these frequencies are being transferred to INV seeing as their frequency goes up by almost exactly the same amount that MANs is reduced in the same timeframe.

[Betablockeruk]

I fully expect additional China - LHR services before any Manchester announcement but Hainan starting Shenzhen - Dublin from next month says to me that China - Manchester expansion is not something that is going to happen!.

[Flightrider]

INV is the only BA domestic route growing this summer and it's getting a new nightstop (slots for which have come from reducing LHR-Helsinki to one a day - Finnair must be delighted and are planning more widebodies into LHR, now flying both the morning and evening HEL-LHR-HEL rotations). ABZ, GLA, MAN and NCL are all losing frequency to LHR this summer with between one and two daily rotations cut from each route. The main reason is to free up slots for Newquay-LHR Flybe service which BA are obliged to do under the competition remedies for the acquisition of bmi. There are some other factors as well including a bit of long-haul growth and extra frequency on a couple of European routes but the domestic cuts are pretty much all driven by the need to release slots to Flybe.

I suppose you could indeed take it as a sign of maturity of MAN's own long-haul network that the feeder service to LHR is less and less important. Another reason is likely to be continued loss of point-to-point traffic to the train network.

[pholling]

Bizarrely, last night it was 20 minutes quicker for a US national to get into the UK than UK nationals. Only 3 in the non EU queue and Border Force didn't (don't) allow any of the EU lot to claim that they were 'nearly' not EU. Some tried but were sent to the end of a very long queue.

I've seen that happen a few times, but usually, they will work UK/EU/EEAs into the mix, even pausing processing other passports for several minutes. Sounds like Boarder Force decided processing overseas first was the way to go this time.

[Jetaway]

@ Jetaway

It does raise an interesting point. From the start, there will be an increase in traffic, that parts a given. ONce the sceheme fully kicks in however, i can see this being slightly more beneficial.
In particular, the 'convoy plan', where if all the cars are autonomous, they can drive a lot closer to each other and when the front 'pod' wants to brake, all the others will get the same command, so it would almost work like a train. Compare than to norml driver who have to leave a larger gap inbetween cars to allow for reaction times.
Another big concern would be the price. I could see something like this being a lot more expensive, at least from the outset than driving to/from and parking, maybe something reserved for business/ first class pax only?
At the same time, it's nice to see that MAN is looking to the future and embracing this new technology, which as a fan of autonomous vehicles, i applaud them for

I dont think it would work from Stockport the Council need to pull their finger out and get on Tram/Train link from Stockport to the Airport it would make life alot easier for passengers. I think this could work from the car parks with the MAN TP this would be the perfect opportunity to implement something along these lines. The experiment at LHR shows that this works. But on guideways rather than the open road there are just too many things that could go wrong.

[Trav a la]

I was interested to read the Ethiopian numbers from Trav a la a few days ago. Whilst at first sight they don't look too great, this is initially a BRU and MAN service so hopefully it is viable and will steadily grow until the BRU stop can be eliminated.
Personally I feel that this is possibly the most important new route for MAN recently; although ADD/ Ethiopia are not major destinations the ET service opens up the whole continent of Africa. If the service succeeds, ET could become the preferred way to reach South Africa, Kenya, Tanzania, Botswana, Namibia, Indian Ocean islands and a host of other cities.
I have recently returned from a journey which involved 8 sectors on ET (sadly before MAN started); all were on time, the planes and the staff seemed professional and friendly, and a snack or meal was served on every leg except for a 25 minute hop. I would recommend anyone to try them.
Finally, Trav a la, please publish some more figures for their loads as time goes by.

A few further PAX numbers to show how the trend is going.

ETHIOPIAN IN OUT
15/1 102 56
16/1 76 61
18/1 68 55
20/1 104 61

JET AIRWAYS
14/1 252 248
17/1 239 251
18/1 225 229
19/1 230 238
20/1 253 244

As you can see ET a bit slow to establish but slowly moving in right direction, no worries at all with Jet, just a question of when frequency increases and upgrade to B773.

Also heard a whisper that Oman are looking at 10pw later in year poss October. Would make sense as the route is performing very well with a 2 class 787 30 business seats and approx 250 economy, freight is good as well.

[Betablockeruk]

Thanks for the pax numbers. Jet Airways seems a massive success with a ready made market whereas Ethiopian needs a lot of work and/or de-linking

While waiting at T2 arrivals you can literally see that the Jet Airways check-in desks are very busy.

Wonder how long before someone starts Delhi if the market already exists?

[roverman]

Jet are carrying big transfer loads, sometimes more than 100 pax per sector. Mainly connecting with Virgin both ways to USA, but also on to others at MAN. Ethiopian are picking up a little transfer traffic too, despite the Brussels stop.

[Betablockeruk]

Coincidentally, Jet used a B777-200 for the first time today, rather than the usual A330.

Ethiopian used a 772 today rather than the usual 788.

Jet Airways remain on a 332 for the foreseeable future.

[boredintheairport]

Jet are carrying big transfer loads, sometimes more than 100 pax per sector. Mainly connecting with Virgin both ways to USA, but also on to others at MAN. Ethiopian are picking up a little transfer traffic too, despite the Brussels stop.
Interesting. Where are the Ethiopian connecting passengers coming from/going to? Lufthansa?

[roverman]

Interesting. Where are the Ethiopian connecting passengers coming from/going to? Lufthansa?

I don't have access to the what connections are being made generally, only the numbers of transfer pax on particular flights. The Jet - Virgin thing is common knowledge due to the sheer volumes and the arrangements which have been made in T2 to transfer between these two carriers.

Someone posted above that Jet was a B777-200 today. I think they mean Ethiopian, Jet has no MAN flight on a Tuesday.

[Betablockeruk]

Luxury new terminal (https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/luxury-terminal-manchester-airport-premiair-15715759)

https://i2-prod.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/incoming/article15715969.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_New-luxury-terminal-coming-to-Manchester-Airport.jpg

£50? If that includes airport parking, 'free buffet', fasttrack type service then that's a bit cheap?

[SWBKCB]

I'd be amazed if it is anywhere near £50 - maybe add another zero?

[ETOPS]

maybe add another zero?

Doesn't matter - the Wilmslow/Prestbury/Mottram St Andrew brigade will be all over this from day 1

[boredintheairport]

I don't have access to the what connections are being made generally, only the numbers of transfer pax on particular flights. The Jet - Virgin thing is common knowledge due to the sheer volumes and the arrangements which have been made in T2 to transfer between these two carriers.

Someone posted above that Jet was a B777-200 today. I think they mean Ethiopian, Jet has no MAN flight on a Tuesday.

What are the arrangements? Have they made it so there is a proper connection process now at Manchester?

[Trav a la]

Looks like the new luxury terminal could be positioned in the newly fenced off area to the front of the RVP? If so, it won't cause a problem with the existing buildings but will block off the view from the mounds and car park etc.

The reason for that area being fenced off has been kept quiet so far, so it makes you wonder.

[JerseyAero]

Indeed it does appear as though it will be positioned next to the RVP - which will no doubt affect the views afforded from the viewing area.

It will be interesting to see how many pax make use of this new facility. There is an article in the MEN regarding this new terminal.

[If you say so]

Might be comparing apples with oranges airport-wise, but the similar private terminal offering at Los Angeles is USD3,000 one-way for an international flight for a single passenger (but up to three complimentary companions can travel with lead passenger) AND a membership fee of USD4,500 per annum.

GBP50 sounds too good to be true (and is)

[MattGarner]

Is there any more details on where this is exactly being built? I know it's going to be near RVP but is it actually going to block the viewing points from the mounds?

[FFMAN]

Harking back to the old name for Manchester Airport - Ringway - this will be the closest ever terminal building to the centre of the old Ringway village (what's left of it)

Would I use it? Not sure - the downside would be the drive over to the plane, getting out into the cold and rain and up the steps at the side of the airbridge - nothing glamorous about that. Mind you not everything connects to an airbridge - although on the other hand most of the premium flights that would attract premium customers do. So in that respect it's a form of glorified 'bussing' out to the aircraft which is one of my pet hates.
I guess the idea is similar to the LH service at FRA and MUC which I had the pleaseure of once - no great shakes frankly.

[Betablockeruk]

Is there any more details on where this is exactly being built? I know it's going to be near RVP but is it actually going to block the viewing points from the mounds?

There's allegedly someone from PremiAir camped in the 'main building' at the RVP with a plan .

[Navpi]

Do we know where they will source the drivers from. I would think you need people with a fair degree of responsibility who understand the road system layout and exceptional customer service skills.

Will these be employed by MAG ? I presume so.

Surely it would be unwise to contract in a 3rd party taxi company where drivers can swap and change.

[boredintheairport]

Do we know where they will source the drivers from. I would think you need people with a fair degree of responsibility who understand the road system layout and exceptional customer service skills.

Will these be employed by MAG ? I presume so.

Surely it would be unwise to contract in a 3rd party taxi company where drivers can swap and change.

Strongly suspect third party taxi company wouldn't be allowed anywhere near this. They would surely have to receive full airside safety briefing, all the risks of aircraft, jet engines and other vehicles, how to talk to the controllers, radio etc.

Who they would be contracted through, I don't know. But they would surely be well trained and specialised to the job. As for outstanding customer service skills? This is Manchester...

[MattGarner]

Is there any more details on where this is exactly being built? I know it's going to be near RVP but is it actually going to block the viewing points from the mounds?

Developments at RVP – Plans were released by MAG on 23rd January for the construction of a new Executive Terminal (known as PremiAir) . The new Terminal will be located on the site of the Runway Visitor Park (RVP) where the two round viewing mounds are currently situated. Construction work will commence immediately in order that the Terminal can open for business this Summer. The RVP will remain open throughout the works and in the future.

The RVP Manager will be attending the TAS Social Evening (GMP) on Monday 28th January to deliver a short presentation about the works and answer any questions. The TAS Social evening is held at the Concorde Restaurant at the Runway Visitor Park and commences at 20.00hrs.

From the TASManchester site.

[Betablockeruk]

Developments at RVP – Plans were released by MAG on 23rd January for the construction of a new Executive Terminal (known as PremiAir) . The new Terminal will be located on the site of the Runway Visitor Park (RVP) where the two round viewing mounds are currently situated. Construction work will commence immediately in order that the Terminal can open for business this Summer. The RVP will remain open throughout the works and in the future.

The RVP Manager will be attending the TAS Social Evening (GMP) on Monday 28th January to deliver a short presentation about the works and answer any questions. The TAS Social evening is held at the Concorde Restaurant at the Runway Visitor Park and commences at 20.00hrs.

From the TASManchester site.

Thanks. Wonder if they've considered sight lines..... (I don't actually know why I wasted time typing that).

Let's cut to the chase. How long before there is a low cost Ryanair terminal or an extended PremiAir terminal with 'exec' stands in place of the RVP?

[chaps1954]

I thought that there are plans to move RVP to southside anyway

[MattGarner]

I thought that there are plans to move RVP to southside anyway

I don't think there has been any hard proof of such claims and if there were, I would have thought now would have been the best time to announce that considering they are building on part of the RVP.

[Navpi]

Strongly suspect third party taxi company wouldn't be allowed anywhere near this. They would surely have to receive full airside safety briefing, all the risks of aircraft, jet engines and other vehicles, how to talk to the controllers, radio etc.

Who they would be contracted through, I don't know. But they would surely be well trained and specialised to the job. As for outstanding customer service skills? This is Manchester...


That seems a bit elaborate, yes a knowledge of the road layout, hazards etc, but I would have thought use of the road system is all that is required once full training is given ?

Numerous vehicles use this without reference to radio etc ?

[750XL]

It barely takes an afternoon to sit through airside driver training & the multiple choice exam.

[LFC22]

I was always under the impression that we would be getting a new Terminal 2 but from this mock-up it seems that it's just the new T2 attached to the old T2?

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1264x716/1_675dbf8cc38888e266ef852c11fba93d698744a6.jpg

[MKY661]

I was always under the impression that we would be getting a new Terminal 2 but from this mock-up it seems that it's just the new T2 attached to the old T2?

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1264x716/1_675dbf8cc38888e266ef852c11fba93d698744a6.jpg

The Old T2 Building is staying and will indeed be attached to the new building in some places.

[Scottie Dog]

The current new work is for an extension to the existing building. Once this opens in 2020 the existing building will be closed for renovation, which hopefully will then link into the extension.

I'm sure Roverman can give a better response to mine.

[ETOPS]

SNOCLO this morning. No arrivals and only one departure at 06.00 - Easyjet somehow managed to slip away.
Forecast is for more snow showers followed by freezing fog.

Good luck!

[LFC22]

Site of PremiAir at the viewing park


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/799x450/dyer5iyxcamcemm_f52746457968ec3f221986af1b97122909cce57a.jpg

[bayer328]

[QUOTE=LFC22;10379081]Site of PremiAir at the viewing park

Looking at this photo does this mean passengers using the new private terminal will be entering by Sunbank Lane, and more importantly parking in the RVP?
Looking forward their is a possibility of a conflict for the photographers amonst the tas members and the events planned for summer by AVP. Th most viable option would be a viewing deck for photographers postioned southside and leave the viewing park for general visitors and young families.

[AndrewH52]

Has this gone through planning or is it being done through Approved Development? If the latter I’m amazed it’s being permitted, to be honest. It strikes me as a means of circumventing the planning process and adding capacity without due process. The T2 extension application was at pains to stress it was designed to replace not add terminal capacity, yet MAG is already saying capacity will be 35m on completion (compared to 25m in the planning application). This could arguably add another million without any evaluation of the potential impacts on the local road network.

[bayer328]

It would seem to have been a very quick decision! although Manchester, might have been sitting on this application for some time.
The increase in traffic could be problematic for local residents though and reduced parking options for visitors to the AVP.

[Curious Pax]

[QUOTE=LFC22;10379081]Site of PremiAir at the viewing park

Looking at this photo does this mean passengers using the new private terminal will be entering by Sunbank Lane, and more importantly parking in the RVP?
Looking forward their is a possibility of a conflict for the photographers amonst the tas members and the events planned for summer by AVP. Th most viable option would be a viewing deck for photographers postioned southside and leave the viewing park for general visitors and young families.

A diagram a guy from the new terminal had at the RVP last week showing the state in mid 2019 portrayed the access as branching off the road into the RVP behind the Nimrod and Trident to a dedicated car park in SE corner of the current car park. A covered walkway to the terminal will go through where the 2 small mounds are now. The longer lower mound will be extended by 80 metres to compensate. Looks like passengers will go through security in the terminal, and come out airside to be ferried to their flight.

The latest TAS mag announced the cancellation of the annual event in July due to the work going on.


Has this gone through planning or is it being done through Approved Development? If the latter I’m amazed it’s being permitted, to be honest. It strikes me as a means of circumventing the planning process and adding capacity without due process. The T2 extension application was at pains to stress it was designed to replace not add terminal capacity, yet MAG is already saying capacity will be 35m on completion (compared to 25m in the planning application). This could arguably add another million without any evaluation of the potential impacts on the local road network.


Given the terminal won’t have any flights departing from it I can’t see it affecting the overall capacity. Bear in mind a million passengers a year through it would equate to 300 or more pax/hour at peak times - that’s not plausible through the size of building they are planning. 20-30 an hour would be more realistic I would think otherwise it won’t be the exclusive experience they are promoting. It’s a tool to extract more money from the existing group of punters who are prepared to cough up for special treatment. A souped up version of paying a few quid extra to get the current Fast Track option through security if you will.

[KelvinD]

My brother & nephew flew to Dublin and back, departing Tue mid-day and returning late Wednesday evening. With Ryanair, the flights cost them £12 each way per person, so a total of £48 for the pair. Parking at the airport for the same period was £58! Barmy!

[bar none]

Do you not agree that it was the Ryanair price that was barmy ?

[KelvinD]

bar none: All of the above!