Monarch -2

[tubby linton]

With positioning flights the first digit of the flight number is dropped and replaced with the suffix P.For example Mon1234 would become Mon 234P.I believe this method is used when the positioning flight is financially tied to the previous or next flight.
Sometimes we just use the aircraft type as the number and add the P-Mon300P,this is usually when we are ferrying an aircraft for maintenance.

[MKY661]

If its just got three numbers they only add on the P dont they.

[The Hitcher]

Anyone know when the B737NG,s are due to start arriving?

[Leonard320]

Monarch currently have no Boeing 737NG's on order.
The only outstanding order is for 7 late 7's.

Thanks

[TSR2]

Some recently used flight numbers:

MON661P - MAN-LTN
MON677P - MAN-LGW
MON595P - FAO-MAN Operated by Titan B763 G-POWD

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Leonard320, it is only 6 not 7.
For those of you talking of NGs, just a little pointer to future fleet make up.
MON have renewed leases on two A320s due to leave next year and l understand extended leases on some A321s also.

[Leonard320]

'Leonard320, it is only 6 not 7.'

I know it only 6, but I couldn't resist having a dig at the aircraft.

Thanks

[The Hitcher]

Are sure about that spotty m? my info is that mon will be a all boeing fleet in the future

[MKY661]

Are you sure? I havent heard anything about the A320's and A321's going.

Maybe you mean Thomson

[MKY661]

Well i asked the crew on the plane when i flew with them back last month and he said that they are replacing the 757-200's. He also said it may not be 737NG it maybe A319's.

[The Hitcher]

Not a chance, range is too limited for mons requirements

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Yes l am sure.
However you maybe also correct, Monarch could be all Boeing by 2030. :E

[partyboy_uk]

News in the TTG (http://www.ttgdigital.com/news/air-travel/avro-expands-flights-to-greece-for-2012/4681401.article) that Avro will be expanding its Greek operations. The article reports that it will start:

BRS-CFU
BRS-ZTH
BRS-Crete (doesn't mention which but I suspect CHQ)

NCL-CFU
NCL-ZTH

BHX-CHQ
BHX-EFL
BHX-RHO
BHX-PVK

The flights don't appear to be loaded yet so I can't tell if these are with Monarch but I suspect they are part of the Monarch expansion into local airports after the TTG reported back in March that Monarch were planning to base aircraft in BRS, NCL and EMA as a starting point (http://www.ttgdigital.com/cosmos-to-add-regional-airports/4630912.article)

If these flights are indeed operated by Monarch and are in addition to existing ones then I suspect an announcement of additions to the fleet will follow before too long.

[MKY661]

I hope its Monarch who are doing them. If it is i wouldn't be surprised to see scheduled routes there as well.

[OltonPete]

Chania is already bookable from BHX (can't believe I missed that one) and replaces the ZB Mahon service which moves to Wednesday morning before PFO. This year the aircraft on a Wednesday did PFO only and the night-stopped.

No sign of Preveza which is an interesting one from BHX. Not sure if this has ever operated in the past and if it did it only managed one summer (not Monarch).

Monarch are also listed as taking Thomson pax next year on a Wed to FUE.

Alas for BHX this is a downgrade as it is on ZB schedule service compared to a Thomson aircraft in its own right this summer.

If PVK, RHO and EFL do come on line with ZB then BHX will require aircraft five or some existing frequencies cancelled.

[partyboy_uk]

More good news for Monarch. According to the Universal Vacations website (http://univacus.com/2011/08/23/winter-service-announced-comefly-%E2%80%93-monarch-airlines/) Comefly have announced flights with them from Aalborg to Fort Myers, Dec through to May, after their operation with them over summer.

[TartinTon]

The regional flying will be on 3rd parties and not Monarch based aircraft (apart from the BHXCHQ)

[partyboy_uk]

ah well, we can but hope! I would like to think though they will be trying these routes to see if they are successful enough to sustain Monarch flying. Do you know which third parties will be flying the routes by any chance?

[TartinTon]

Heard rumours of possibly TCooks but they have their own issues at present!

[Jetset321]

My bet would be on BD operating the new routes.

[toledoashley]

This is very left field, but could Monarch buy bmi if LH were to sell? If not the whole group, then just baby??

[qwertyuiop]

The owners of Monarch probably do not read these threads. The only answers you will get are pure speculation.

[GrahamK]

The new Cosmos/Avro flights from NCL to CFU and ZTH are certainly operated by TCX, not sure about the flights from BRS and EMA, I'd imagine it's TCX also though.

[Benod]

I'm still waiting for monarchs "big review", are they having some problems?

[GIRESP]

I have just been doing a bit of detective work and could be completely wrong but have Monarch cancelled their 787 order??

Found this article about 6 787's being cancelled by an undisclosed customer:-

Six 787s cancelled from order backlog (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/08/25/361299/six-787s-cancelled-from-order-backlog.html)

and the looked up all the orders on Wikipedia and Monarch are the only airline which have ordered exactly six.

List of Boeing 787 orders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_787_orders)

What do you guys reckon??

[MKY661]

well since we have all heard rumours about them being withdrawn along with 737's etc. plus they also said that it will be in august, i think that this could be it.

[clareview]

The 6 cancellations could be from any one of the 30 odd customers that have ordered more than 6

[Benod]

Well, Monarch has a quite big delay on the 787's, they might just stick to an small airplane order

[allosaurus]

engineers on courses in nov.dont think Mon have canx

[SWBKCB]

Engineers could be for third party customers (TOM?)?

[clareview]

Why single out Monarch's delay on the B787 - every customer has a big delay?

[Benod]

I know that every customer has a big delay, I just singled monarch out because we are discussing about them, personally I think monarch should just focus more on it's short haul as it is much more popular . Although there isn't much competition on long haul . I don't think it will be popular in terms of comfort

[TartinTon]

Benod, since you seem to be the man in the know, what are Monarch's plans for the 787 and what will be the config?

[OltonPete]

The Boeing site gives the 788 configuration as 210-250 but is this 250 the maximum it is certified for or will there be some some leeway for non-scheduled operations (MON/TOM) to increase the capacity?

The 789 shows 290 seats but nothing as far as I can see over 300.

I assume once the first aircraft is delivered (26/09/2011) to ANA and
deliveries start to roll we will get a better ideal of when the first Monarch one will be due?

I trust Monarch know exactly what their config will be but this information
will be saved for a later day.

On a separate matter Avro have released new Monarch services from BHX next summer to Preveza, Chania and Kefalonia with Sundays now needing five based aircraft at BHX, assuming no schedule flights are chopped. Is there more coming from ZB in respect of routes and could this be a current Dublin based aircraft moving to the UK?

[X-Centric]

Tartin - the 787's will be the replacement a/c for all that huge amounts of long haul flying that you are currently doing .... exactly!
It's another 767 Nordstress job if you ask me.

[renort]

what? six 787's for the Aarhus base then, one to do the peak season series and five on standby. Good work team :rolleyes:

[MKY661]

with Sundays now needing five based aircraft at BHX, assuming no schedule flights are chopped. Is there more coming from ZB in respect of routes and could this be a current Dublin based aircraft moving to the UK?

Yeah that could be possible with maybe an A321 being moved around BHX & LGW. I would like it to be a new aircraft, ZB havent had any in a while, but i doubt it it will be.

[Benod]

TartinTon, Well Monarch has already said that the config. will be “relatively high density” .They said economy will have a 33inch seat pitch but did not say what premium was. But Monarch say they will compete with BA on long-haul routes but they are mainly aimed for north america and there products will be better than BA. Shame you would see this happen in about three years! :(

[allosaurus]

hangar and line engs on the course.hangar for third party?Yes I can see that.Line engs for own A/C.

[jakkob]

It would appear its true, what the reasons are i could not say, no one seems to know.....possibly a change of direction by Monarch.

[NEastMidlands]

As for config of 787 will they even bother with premium, TOM said they wouldn't have it if APD wasn't reformed so we must assume they wont so therefore will MON.

[TartinTon]

X-C...the current LH flying is driven as a direct result of the charter market desire to serve these markets i.e. outside of the big VIs there is no-one (or very few) who wish to take that risk. When the 787s eventually get delivered the ZB offering may be a different animal and there may be an appetite to do it's own LH flying...who knows?

[mudcity]

I believe GIRESP may unfortunately be on to something -My engineering friends tell me that indeed the 787's have been cancelled as part of the deal for the B738'S coming.....we will see when the 'big' announcement is made if this is true ?

[The Hitcher]

The 787 order has been cancelled by all accounts, announcement due soon regarding 738

[clareview]

confirmation i.e. evidence please

[renort]

confirmation i.e. evidence please

why? this is a Rumour Network, not CSI

either believe it, or pop your head back in the sand.

[mickyman]

Ive heard Air Kilroe are taking them instead........

[Benod]

Does any know when the announcement will be placed?

[clareview]

The rumour I hear is that Manx2 is keen to get their hands on them for the Isle of Man - Gloucester service and Loganair is wondering if they could land on the beach

[on time all the time]

It was meant to be mid june then mid august and then mid august and then another 4 weeks was needed.... Has it got something to do with the Boeing 737 MAX spec needed to weigh against the A320 NEO. Now that we have a clearer picture we may have an announcement in the not so distant future.
I know that the 737 MAX won't be available before 2017 but since the 787 is late and some compensations are negociated, all of it may be put together in the negociations with interim/stop gap solution before a definite order is made.
It is just an assemption but since there is not much com, we can only speculate.

[jakkob]

Heard airbus have come up with a new offer which is being considered

[on time all the time]

Benod,
Can you read what I said.
We are all speculating.
Where did you read Monarch has cancelled the B787 and where did you read they have oredered some B737s
No one knows.
And the rest is speculation, rumours and wild rumours.....
WE SIMPLY DON'T KNOW.

[pabely]

A rumour started here...?

Airline Orders: Monarch to drop 787 order? - Blog - FleetWatch - Aviation & Aerospace Blogs - FlightGlobal (http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/groups/fleet_and_orders_gossip_shop/blog/archive/2011/05/26/airline-orders-monarch-to-drop-787-order.aspx)

[Benod]

On time all the time, Sorry, got carried away! :)

[Chidken Sangwich]

Pabely

That rumour was started well before the update from Boeing on 'an' order cancellation made last week.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Its funny l work within Engineering and l can confirm what on time all the time is saying.
Very few people know the truth and one of the few that would know walked past my desk this morning and l did not bother asking him, because he still would not be able to say.
We are all having to wait and that includes our local Boeing rep.

[The Hitcher]

If one reads between the lines think the previous post tells you all you need to know...

[chuzwuza]

738 it is then! Just leaves the question of how many?

[jakkob]

Strong rumour of another 330 arriving soon due to extra MOD work

[Egon Maybach]

FSTA is on the horizon and the MoD work will dry up as soon as Air Tanker get themselves into position to hoover up ALL MoD work for the next 25 years.

[paully]

``All Mod work for the next 25 years``..............sorry the way these plonkers are running things there wont be any Mod work at all...........unless of course they start another war somewhere :ugh:

[Mr @ Spotty M]

I think someone is adding up 2 & 2 and making 5.
The A330 arriving soon is the FSTA arriving for the MOD, Monarch Aircraft Engineering are assisting in getting the a/c a temporary G- registration.

[loggerhead]

the a/c a temporary G- registration

Permanent G- registration...

[Skipness One Echo]

Aren't they going on the military register?

[Mr @ Spotty M]

On the G- reg for a very short time and then onto military register.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Of course not, read my previous post on the subject, it does not have anything to do with Monarch Airlines operating the a/c.
It will be on the G reg for mater of days if that.

[partyboy_uk]

It's finally official folks! The 787 by Monarch's shareholders has been cancelled. You can read more on the story on Travelmole (http://www.travelmole.com/stories/1149247.php) A difficult decision but, after some consideration, probably the right one. The immediate focus is to concentrate on short haul fleet renewal and expansion of the fleet into new UK bases and to new destinations not previously flown by Monarch. Details of these have not yet been revealed. Monarch say that in the medium term their longhaul strategy will be strengthened against the background of a fully developed short haul offering.

[chinapattern]

I wonder what will happen to the A300’s now as they have already been kept longer than originally planned due to the 787 delays. With the 757’s also going as I should imagine they’re looking for something with larger capacity? Perhaps they could swap the 787’s for 767’s which they could get pretty quickly. Or perhaps go with the 737-8/9/NG or A321NEO. I guess it all depends on how fast they need/intend to replace their fleet.

[ZeBedie]

Travelmole said

Pilots are 'disgusted' by change of heart

Rubbish! We've long expected this and if no 787 is what's right for the bussiness then that's all that really matters.

[763 jock]

According to Flight International, Monarch have cancelled their 787 order.

www.flightglobal.com (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/09/06/361663/uks-monarch-airlines-cancels-entire-787-order.html)

[Airbus321-200]

763 Jock - have you not read the previous posts? old news now. Monarch have confirmed they have cancelled the 787s.

[763 jock]

A321, no I hadn't. My post was moved here from R&N. The news was only a couple of hours old on the Flight website and I could find no reference on R&N, hence my post.

A shame for Monarch, but probably the right call. We in TCX are losing 3 A330's off lease and a 767 is going to Condor for a while. Long haul is getting hit hard by the high APD charges. Pity the government is still at war with aviation, perhaps we can all work in the windmill factories instead...

[jdcg]

Could they be trying to hold onto some cash before engaging in consolidation in the UK short haul market (e.g. bmibaby takeover) with all its inherent integration costs?

[on time all the time]

We keep having this rumour about Monarch and BMI/ BMIbaby.

But the 2 models are totally different Monarch on the leisure side and BMI on the Business.

I would be surprised if Monarch was venturing into a business which they don't know.

[40KTSOFFOG]

Monarch cancels Dreamliner order

The Monarch Group has told staff that it has cancelled orders for six Boeing 787 Dreamliners.

It said the decision was due to deliveries being delayed from 2010 and the airline's "strategic decision" to focus as a schedule airline on strengthening and developing its shorthaul network.

It said this change of focus, announced in June, had been supported in 2011 by the introduction of new scheduled services to Cyprus (Paphos), Turkey (Antalya, Bodrum, Dalaman), Greece (Corfu), Spain (Barcelona) and Egypt (Sharm el Sheikh).

"Monarch Airlines will see further expansion into new UK bases and new routes from 2012, whilst remaining dedicated to supporting its long standing tour operator partner needs," it said in a statement.

"Further consideration will be given to developing and strengthening its longhaul options in the future."

The move has angered pilots at the airline. One pilot, who asked to remain anonymous, told us: "We are all disgusted."

[White Knight]

The move has angered pilots at the airline. One pilot, who asked to remain anonymous, told us: "We are all disgusted.

I know that as a group we pilots can be 'prima donnas', but if true this is just sad:hmm::hmm::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[stakeknife]

Hmmm, getting ready for the EZY takeover MON management are hoping for..::{

[Whiskey Zulu]

I think the 'one' pilot quoted was obviously just a but pissed off that day, as this was hardly unexpected news within MON. So for him to comment for 'all,' is somewhat misjudged at best.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Make that 4 A330s going and 1 B767.
So you can now see that two companies think that long haul at this moment in time, is not a money maker.
Some of the flying on the A330 that MON previous did, was for Thomas Cook.

[SCANDIC]

What about Monarch getting more 757's or 767's for the time being.

[OltonPete]

Do we know if a deposit was paid on the 787's and if so, has it has been converted to a down-payment for 738's or even 739's?

[Airbus321-200]

763 jock - ah i see i thought you had just blindly commented. I think we all seen it coming and with the 737 rumour on the mill at the minute then i wouldn't be surprised if it were true.

It's going to be interesting to see what will happen within the next year. If the link up with Air Europa is happening then i see 737 & 767 in the short to medium term.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Dont worry, your name sake will be flying for Monarch for many more years to come. :ok:

[Airbus321-200]

I hope so. I love the A320/1 and i'm not a huge fan of the 737 from a day to day viewpoint. The 737 feels small and cramped while the airbus doesn't. Lots of little points why i prefer the airbus but from an airline point of view i can see why it looks attractive.

[763 jock]

Mr @Spotty M,

I had forgotten the Scandinavian A330 that is staying in the group, but not coming to the UK next summer. There is also an A320 going as well. Fag packet calculations, about 2000 seats removed from next summers UK fleet.

I suspect that we will see more summer only leases as the UK side tries to balance the summer/winter demand requirements.

With regards to the MON 787 order, even the greenest and latest technology cannot escape the APD taxes of the UK Treasury. Crying shame, anyone for the DC10? :cool:

[Kestrel_Stu]

even the greenest and latest technology cannot escape the APD taxes of the UK Treasury

APD is one thing, fuel consumption is another, but with respect you fail to recognise the salient point - a new 787 lease cost is c.US$1m/mth

Fuel cost, albeit lower then for a 330, becomes eclipsed by this enormous expense. If it doesn't work now on a 10-year old A330, it definitely doesn't work on a brand new B787.

How Thomson will make it work I have no idea :confused:

[rubik101]

This is not the first time Monarch has ordered aircraft only to sell on the option to another carrier, generally at some profit to Monarch.

[crackling jet]

Any news on the possible BRS base for 2112 ?

[rubik101]

101 years from now? Probably not.

[Jes]

There's a Monarch section 5 lines down at present. Why start a new one in contravention of the rules?

[Benod]

Cannot believe monarch haven't released there fleet review yet!

[allosaurus]

4 A321,s having aux fuel tanks fitted this Winter programme.When completed 2 based at MAN, 2 at Hatwick Gatport.

[MKY661]

Hatwick Gatport.

You mean Gatwick right?

Anyway do you know which ones?

[allosaurus]

No,not yet.Will post again when A/C are nominated

[ZeBedie]

Probably G-0ZBE/F/G/H

[Mr @ Spotty M]

They have been nominated and l think ZeBedie is spot on, l know they are from that batch of deliveries.

[ImPlaneCrazy]

Is the only benefit of having aux fuel tanks just increased range?

[partyboy_uk]

Interesting stuff. Strangely enough, when you look at flights for MAN-SSH the aircraft seat map shows an A321. Does anyone know if the A321 with the aux fuel tanks can reach SSH then? And if so, will there be enough space for the bags?

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Yes, they are being fitted because these a/c are being used on the ZB flights to SSH, starting in November.

[hapzim]

They bring most of the bags into the cabin now and try to stuff them into the hat bins, to save on baggage charges. Yet pax weights have not been altered by the ministry to take this into account!

[partyboy_uk]

I just hope there are no horror stories of luggage not arriving with its owner because of weight issues. I imagine leisure pax to SSH tend to take more luggage than 2/3 day trippers to the likes of PMI or 2nd home owners on the Costas. I'm sure all eventualities will have been accounted for.

[loggerhead]

Of course not, read my previous post on the subject, it does not have anything to do with Monarch Airlines operating the a/c.
It will be on the G reg for mater of days if that.

I will repeat... permanent G - Registration...:ugh:

Still nothing to do with MAL.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Are you saying it will have a permanent "G" reg?
Monarch is assisting in getting Part M approval for the operation of the tanker fleet.

[parky747]

Does anyone know at this stage which A/C type is allocted to operate MON3726 on 25/9/11 or provide me a link to find this information please?

Regards

[partyboy_uk]

the MON3726 is operated by an A330-200

[TSR2]

MON3726 listed in Flight Check as operated by A332 aircraft.

[T-21]

Flying to Faro mid October from Luton . Can anybody tell what type of airliner it is likely to be allocated ? thanks in advance.

[Airbus321-200]

320/321. But 95% sure it's a 321.

[SCANDIC]

Any more news on Monarch's fleet renewal.Looks like the a300's will be staying a bit longer.

[TurboTomato]

Anyone know what I will be on for LGW to FAO on 5 Nov?

[yeo valley]

Any]one know what I will be on for LGW to FAO on 5 Nov?
plane /drugs .drink wise could be anything

[TurboTomato]

Plane-wise, please :p

[Benod]

Its a Airbus A320

[TurboTomato]

Thankyou Benod.

[Benod]

So, does anyone know any news on the Monarch Fleet Renewal?

[ukcharter666]

anyone know what went on with this flight today?

08:10 ZB238 ARRECIFE DELAYED 16:05

[ImPlaneCrazy]

Technical fault with the Gatwick aircraft, replacement aircraft from Luton had to be subbed in after morning rotations resulting in said delay.

[MKY661]

Dont know which gatwick plane had tech fault but BR went from LTN - LGW to stop that delay and BS has gone from MAN - LTN i think to get the luton flights on time. Dont know who is going from LGW - MAN tonight though.

Can I just ask will there be the following for the A320's this winter?

MAN X1
BHX X1
LTN X1
LGW X2

This is what it was last winter anyway

[Jetset321]

G-OZBE/F/H/I all in for aux centre fuel tanks.

[MKY661]

Strange. I thought is was E/F/G/H not I

[G-AZUK]

does it really matter? :ugh:

[Airbus321-200]

Did these a/c have the tanks already fitted but not connected?

I remember someone mentioning something about it. I could be wrong.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

The a/c were delivered with tanks fitted and they were removed before entering service or very soon after.
One of the two ACT's will be re-fitted to each of the four a/c, in time for the start of the new ZB SSH service.

[Airbus321-200]

So whats the plans for next summer? bases etc.

The info is normally out by now.

[OltonPete]

BHX has been four based in summer and three in winter for a few years now but for Sundays in 2012 there are at least five required and under the current timings it would actually need six.

However the rest of the week it is just a completely full schedule for four, which tells me some Sunday frequencies are going to be cut or there is more to come. Any one have further information on this?

The 5th is due to the new Avro flights to EFL & PVK which have not been announced by BHX and the latter is a new destination.

Also from an earlier post can BHX expect the A320 for winter as usual? With the amount of flights cut from last winter I thought it might be due to an all A321 operation. Some days only one or two aircraft are required (mainly mid-week).

[Blighty Pilot]

As far as I am aware its 3 x A321's at BHX this winter.

[LGS6753]

When 'BE is having its aux tanks fitted, I hope they will refurb the seats (specifically 35DEF) - the most uncomfortable seats I've ever sat in! 'BH didn't seem to suffer from the same problem on our return, although none was as good as Thomson's OOBJ.

[Blighty Pilot]

Have you written to MON directly? A complaint via PPrune tends to fall on deaf ears! The more feedback MON get directly will mean the relevant people have to pay attention!

:ok:

[Airbus321-200]

So any news on bases? also i've heard of some new Greek ZB's.

[Jamie2k9]

MON have still yet to confirm routes and times from DUB next summer. Last year it was known in June/July. As far as I know there operating about 6 flights a week.

[Airbus321-200]

So 1 x 320 for DUB then.

DUB declines every year. Pity they don't just grow a pair and set up ZB. Yes FR and EI are there but some routes aren't covered especially those considered charter routes.

[MKY661]

ZB needs to do DUB - GIB cant go to ireland from there!

[Tight Seat]

Might well be ZBs from the north of Ireland before too long. Flight deck talk that is .....

[Airbus321-200]

Yeah DUB-GIB. There's a huge gap in the market..... for a huge reason of course :)

But if you look at EI & FR's routes there still is some wiggle room plus people want good service these days.

[TartinTon]

Monarch only flies from Ireland because Thos Cook don't want to operate on their own aircraft (there's a clue there). There will be no ZB ops from Ireland.
It's not a case of "growing a pair" just a wish not to commit commercial suicide, I suspect. There's really is some horsesh*t spouted on these forums sometimes.:ugh::ugh::ugh:

[Benod]

Does anyone know any news at all about the Fleet review?

[Airbus321-200]

True tartinton... most of it from you. It's a forum to ask questions and discuss rumours. Don't like it don't log on. Simples.

Starting ROI ZB's commercial suicide?? but NI is a gold mine?

[TartinTon]

Nice to see the usual quality from Airbus..NI? Since when? Never happen.

[MKY661]

I might be wrong but one of the 4 A321's that is having aux fuel tanks fitted isnt flying today so I assume they are getting done? Or is it a Tech fault (Sorry if it is a tech fault)

[Leonard320]

Defiantly wasn't having its tanks done. Been tech all day at BHX. Any delays were at MAN as they positioned to save the BHX program.

Many Thanks

[MKY661]

Thanks for that. I wondered why there were 5 at BHX instead of the usual 4.

If fixed then that means one of them is due to go to MAN tomorrow then. i think

[TissieSaffie]

Hi all,

I'm hoping some Monarch people can help me with a query I have. In the mists of time (1993), I am sure I flew my first time to Orlando International with Monarch Airlines from Manchester. 20 years have clouded the memory somewhat (I was a young teenager at the time), but I'm sure it was Monarch. I seem to remember stopping to refuel on the way there in (possibly) Bangor in Maine. Searching through the web I'm guessing it was probably an A300-600R that I flew on, but seems a long route for such type.

Anyone else flew this, or can confirm this?

Thanks in advance all.

[red 5]

tissieSaffie

It probably was a A300-600 or 757, i was based in Bangor MAEL outstation at this time and can vouch for the 4 A300's and 6 757's amongst other Airlines we looked after that used to trundle through twice a day to and from the UK.

[TissieSaffie]

Thanks for the prompt reply, I'm sure I'd have some old negatives somewhere floating about if I could find them! I do remember it being a bit cold and wet on my first trip to the USA!

[CentreFix25]

I flew that route on a Monarch 757 refuelling in Bangor, do you remember how many aisles might be your give away.

[partyboy_uk]

Haven't seen this posted anywhere else (and I don't know if there are any seats left) but I've just noticed for anyone interested, Monarch are offering an enthusiasts Day Trip to GIB from LTN with a tour of GIB Air Traffic Control and a Monarch Hangar. More details here: Enthusiasts Day Trip to Gibraltar (http://www.monarch.co.uk/offers/flights/enthusiasts-day-trip)

[33percentlonger]

I'm sure crewing, ops and maintrol will be ecstatic at the end of their night shift having spotters walking about asking questions...

[SCANDIC]

When are we going to get a proper update on whats happening with Monarch's fleet renewal.

[Tight Seat]

I guess after the owners sign the contract. I'm sure that they can't wait to tell all of us here on pprune !

[MKY661]

An A330-200 has been painted in the Garuda Indonesia titles with Monarch colours again but this time its EOMA not SMAN
JetPhotos.Net Photo » G-EOMA (CN: 265) Garuda Indonesia (Monarch Airlines) Airbus A330-243 by Ashley French (http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=7203871&nseq=1)

Dont know how long the lease is for.

[allosaurus]

till the end of the hadj

[sam dilly]

I once flew on a Monarch 720b Luton to Antigua via Bangor.
1980 I think.
We came back via Santa Maria.

[MKY661]

Monarch now moving to T2 on the 15th Nov isntead of the 8th. Dont know why they have changed the date they have changed it for EZY as well but that date has not been confirmed yet.

[TSR2]

Good grief Benod how many times have you asked this question in the last few months. I'm sure someone will post details as and when they are finalised.

[MKY661]

Just going on another subject here but I dont remember Monarch doing any charter flight betwee LGW and AGP is it new or something? Flight numbers were MON8456/MON8457

[Benod]

Maybe I have but personally i think it has taken Monarch far too long to decide there plans for the future. By the way does anyone know which planes will be next to have the new livery on them?

[MKY661]

Im not sure yet but One of the A300's (MR) is stuck at LTN at the moment unless its a tech fault.

I Hope EOMA which has gone to garuda will be painted in it when it comes back.

By the way do any of you know why ZB661 from Malaga has diverted to LPL. Looked on flightradar24.com didnt even make an approach into MAN.

[Airbus321-200]

G-OZBT will be going in for a change of decals about now. The current Livery is too be tweeked.

[MKY661]

Maybe thats why it swapped with OZBI at TFS today then

[Benod]

I wonder what they will change to the livery!

[ericlday]

wander.....or even wonder !!!!!!

[allosaurus]

of course it will be back in Monarch colours when the hadj is finished.its not been loaned to Garuda,its flying pilgrims to Mecca on behalf of Garuda.its operated by Monarch crews and engineering support by MAEL .Its had Garuda stuck on it cos nobody in Indonesia knows who the frig Monarch is

[MKY661]

Oh yeah it will be painted back into Monarch colours like but will it be in the new livery or not because when SMAN went last year it got a Garuda scheme but i thought when it came back it would be painted into the lower case m and monarch.co.uk scheme (which was the new livery at the time) but it didn't it got painted back into the capital M scheme with flymonarch.com on the back.

So Im not sure if it will be painted in BT's livery (which is to be tweaked) or its livery it originally had (Capital M old one flymonarch.com)

[Mr @ Spotty M]

To answer some of the livery questions.
"BT" the change will be that the new titles will be replaced with larger ones.
G-SMAN on return from the hajj did not get any paint applied, as all the Garuda markings were decals or plastic covering (tail).
G-EOMA is on a "C" check due to start 14th December on its return and then a respray into the new livery.
G-SMAN is also due a respray in 2012 more than likely after its "C" check.
To answer the question on the MON8456/MON8457 flight to AGP, it was not a charter flight but a ZB sweeper flight.
Due to A300 out of service a Titan B757 was used for the AGP, with MON8456/MON8457 carrying the remaining pax. :ok:

[MKY661]

Thanks Mr @ Spotty M. You Rule.

Anyone else except BT and EOMA due for a respray this year? Hopefully BN and an A320 will.

[ExpectmorePayless]

Perhaps with an all yellow tail to set off the spotty M :ok:
It's about time we had another re-brand, the last one was 4 months ago :rolleyes:

[v1.]

Just returned from a week in mallorca and noticed when taxiing in a monarch a300 on stand, thought these were retired?, same aircraft was on same stand on my return home, anyone know what its doing there?

Cheers

[sam1993]

Monarch do still have 4 A300's in their fleet so definately not retired! They reguarly operate flights from the UK to Spanish destinations, as well as many others. :ok:

[allosaurus]

Broadest hint yet from management that chosen a/c is to be 737NG.None avail for next 4 yrs so scouring avaition world for a/c for sale or lease

[LGS6753]

Ryanair are selling - low mileage (cough), one owner....:eek:

[MKY661]

Just returned from a week in mallorca and noticed when taxiing in a monarch a300 on stand, thought these were retired?, same aircraft was on same stand on my return home, anyone know what its doing there?

Cheers

If it was a Saturday then Monarch do a Saturday rotation with an A300:
MAN - PMI - LTN - PMI - MAN

I dont think the A300 is at luton any other time.

Broadest hint yet from management that chosen a/c is to be 737NG.None avail for next 4 yrs so scouring avaition world for a/c for sale or lease

Doubt they will take this. This is an even longer wait than the 787. Hopefully they will get a better deal for something else soon.

[on time all the time]

Kevin George, Monarch MD has just announced that Monarch is moving to Manchester T2 from 15th nov 2011. All back office and crew moving there too.

[Chidken Sangwich]

Are they closing LTN and moving out of no-Prospect House then?

[j636]

Monarch to add 100,000 in passenger traffic | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk (http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/business/s/1461285_monarch-to-add-100000-in-passenger-traffic)

from MAN base.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Now Now, only terminal staff and Man airline based office staff.

[parky747]

What is the future for the A300’s in the Monarch fleet, they are getting quite old now!

[Mr @ Spotty M]

We are still awaiting the fleet review to be announced, but my guess is that they will be around for a few more years yet. :ok:

[Topspotter]

That joyous news should get the punters flocking to monarchs website....:sad:

[Airbus321-200]

Wasn't it announced a few months back that they will be taking seats out of the A300's for next yr??

I'm not talking about the 9 seats that were already removed. But there was talk of at least 42 seats coming out.

[Benod]

Just been on the Monarch website, Looks like they have added flights to Barcelona for Summer 2012, flying up to 11 times a week

[MANTHRUST]

Have been flying to BCN from MAN for years, are you referring to the Minor hub at LGW?

[Airbus321-200]

They are obviously talking about the new LGW-BCN flights. Good to see they are going next year.

Since when was gatwick a minor hub? Pretty big operation from what i see.

[Ian Brooks]

a bit tongue in cheek I think

[MKY661]

Gatwick is ZB's second biggest base

[Benod]

Pictures of the Updated Monarch Livery is on their blog on there website

[MKY661]

Looks Epic. Better than it was. Cant wait to see one in MAN soon

[allosaurus]

BT already operated out of Man in new livery.Has little sheep on window blinds.Ahh sweet

[MKY661]

I mena like in the livery with the larger titles. it has been to man when it was in smaller titiles but not for long.

Liking the window blinds too. Wonder if they are putting it to each plane right now (just putting them in without painting the planes if you know what i mean.)

[Airbus321-200]

The window blinds have been in for awhile and they are only on every 4th on or so. The Livery looks better but it still looks a little out of place. Maybe i'm just used to the smaller titles.

[CabinCrewe]

That link needs correcting.
A bit cheap they just covered up the original paint job with white plastic tape

[Mr @ Spotty M]

allosaurus, unless "BT" has been through MAN since the middle of last week, you would not seen the final livery.
For info the board have accepted the latest changes and the a/c will receive the new livery during the winter checks, the last by summer 2012.

[Benod]

Wow! All 30 aircraft in the New livery by next summer! They got a big task ahead! :)

[MKY661]

Least it will be quicker than when they painted the old black and white livery into the yellow & indigo back in 2002

Anyone know which is the next plane due to have it?

[DomyDom]

Anyone know what the new Monarch routes from MAN will be announced imminently?

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Only some of them will be repainted, the rest will have decals applied in the same way as "BT" had.

[Benod]

Anyone know when the next aircraft is to be painted?

[Mr @ Spotty M]

No, it is still in the planning stage, which is why a exact number can not be given at the moment. :ok:

[Benod]

ok Thanks Mr @ Spotty M!

[RoyHudd]

14/15 of the last postings are about livery/painting. 15/16 if you include mine. Pathetic spotter stuff.

Is Monarch going to the wall, more to the point?

[purplehelmet]

14/15 of the last postings are about livery/painting. 15/16 if you include mine. Pathetic spotter stuff.

Is Monarch going to the wall, more to the point?
well if they do at least the aircraft will have shiny new paint on them :}

[Airbus321-200]

Oh god! here we go again. Same time every year we hear this sh*t.

Go ask that question over in the thomas cook forum.

[Shed-on-a-Pole]

Oh dear, RoyHudd. Corporate image and branding issues are considered pretty important within most companies. "Pathetic" spotters tend to understand that quite well ... is it a bit too difficult for you? Or are you just playing the troll again, perhaps?

ADDED: And another thing, Roy. I note that you have just placed an undisguised 'troll post' on the Blackpool forum as well. Are you having a bad day?

[beardy]

Well I think it's quite spiffing that the main worry for Monarch is corporate branding and quite how good the paint job is.

[chuzwuza]

Mr airbus a321-200. You state go and mention that in the thomas cook forum. Why would a company that made £320 million profit this year need to be told that?

[Ian Brooks]

Thomas Cook UK do you mean or worldwide?

[Airbus321-200]

Worldwide being the key word. The Uk end of the company haven't added anything towards that profit.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

It is not the profit that you need to look at it is the share price.
That is what is troubling the market, the possibility of breaching of its loans due to its share price.

[partyboy_uk]

No, G-MAJS & G-OJMR remain operating in the usual 352Y config throughout W11 and the remaining two AB6 a/c will be reconfigured into ABX 50C / 297Y config a/c for W11 as follows :- G-MONR from 04 Nov 2011 G-MONS from 22 Nov 2011

[TSR2]

the remaining two AB6 a/c will be reconfigured into ABX 50C / 297Y config a/c for W11

Thats only an extra 5 seats, not even one row.

What is meant by ABX and are the 50C seats supposed to be extra legroom ?

[partyboy_uk]

Thats only an extra 5 seats, not even one row.

What is meant by ABX and are the 50C seats supposed to be extra legroom ? ABX is the same as the A300 (or AB6) and just refers to the aircraft when it when it is divided into premium and economy cabins.

When a Premium cabin is made on Monarch's A300, a seat is taken from each row at the front of the aircraft to make it a 2-4-2 configuration instead of its usual 3-3-3 configuration. There are 7 rows that make up the Premium cabin, however row 1 already has a configuration of 2-3-2 and row 7 is made up of just 3 seats , so these rows are not affected. Therefore just 5 seats are removed from the front of the aircraft to make way for Premium.

The front of all Monarch's A300s (i.e. the first 7 rows) has been extra legroom seating since the beginning of S'11.

[TSR2]

Thanks for that partyboy uk.

[french_stick]

If TC are finding it tough then so are Monarch. The fact that TC is publicly traded means everyone's an expert on their results.
Unless you have knowledge of the Monarch numbers then stop sneering.
Your considerable time on PPRuNE would be better spent attending to the fantasies of the enthusiasts on here keen to know the latest news on whether the new titles will have a capital M or not.

[Benod]

I wonder if the codeshare between Air Europa and Monarch is still going to happen

[Topspotter]

I heard they are getting 3 more airbuses shortly dont know any more details.

[j636]

There DUB base for 2012 supposed to be scrapped since a few weeks ago. They had crew etc hired for next year but few people saying they not operating there after this years flights come to an end.

[MKY661]

The airbuses will probably be 321's to replace the 757's One is nearly 25 years old now and that is the age when the planes leave the fleet usually

[TSR2]

The oldest B757 in their fleet had clocked up almost 87,000 hours at the end of 2010 so must be pushing 90,000 hours by now. They have been tremendous aircraft for Monarch and it will be sad to see them go.

[partyboy_uk]

I wonder if the codeshare between Air Europa and Monarch is still going to happen

No idea, but the daily MAN-MAD flights that were supposed to happen from Feb are now off the cards. Probably a good thing since I hear EZY, FR and IB will all be competing on the route.

[Benod]

Deff. heard news of a new route from LGW to MAD next year though.

[Benod]

But I Think there's too much competition for them!

[OltonPete]

Air Europa fly twice daily so I suppose if ZB take over these flights
and AEA code-share it would just be an upgrade in seats from the
current 195.

easyjet are showing Madrid five a day in the week this winter and it did not take them long to react to ZB's new LGW-BCN by adding a 6th daily for next summer.

BHX-MAD is vacant but alas I fear that the A320/321 is much too big for that route despite BMI Baby's impressive passenger numbers when they last operated it but that was pre-recession and on a 735/733 mix.

When is the ZB summer 2012 schedule likely to be finalised, as BHX is still showing five based on a Sunday compared to four the rest of the week?

I know it is still early, as only BMI Baby have their full BHX schedule out and ryanair just have selected routes on sale.

[MKY661]

BHX-MAD is vacant but alas I fear that the A320/321 is much too big for that route despite BMI Baby's impressive passenger numbers when they last operated it but that was pre-recession and on a 735/733 mix.

How many days a week did they operate it? Maybe if ZB do start it then they just do it on certain days?

When is the ZB summer 2012 schedule likely to be finalised, as BHX is still showing five based on a Sunday compared to four the rest of the week?

Maybe they use a plane from MAN or LGW for the day and then take it back in the night, like they do with the A300's one goes from MAN - LGW on a saturday morning and then one goes back to MAN on monday morning.

[OltonPete]

MKY661

BMI Baby operated 4 weekly in general, possibly three in winter.

Of course that was point to point traffic but I assume the AEA-ZB tie-up is to offer connections but I still don't see this happening.

As for the Sunday 2012 flights, quite possible but that would be a first at BHX in summer although since the beginning of October the one BHX based aircraft often operates on a Monday from another base in the morning and another positions in empty to operate a BHX flight in the afternoon but that is for one month only.

[MKY661]

The oldest B757 in their fleet had clocked up almost 87,000 hours at the end of 2010 so must be pushing 90,000 hours by now. They have been tremendous aircraft for Monarch and it will be sad to see them go.

Isn't Monarch the longest ever operatorof the 757?

[Serenity]

They were the first to get them.
Remember Cathay crews at Lgw coming across to see what they were getting! They've lasted well.

[StoneyBridge Radar]

They were the first to get them. :=

In Europe, British Airways and Air Europe had that honour.

[MKY661]

Im sure ZB were not the first to get them but i know they were one of the first ones i think one they used to have was like the 15th made or something think it's with fedex now.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

First B757 for European operations were as follows.
BA G-BIKB Del 25/01/83 and ferried to UK 03/02/83
BA G-BIKC Del 31/01/83 and ferried to UK 03/02/83
MON G-MONB Del 21/03/83 and ferried to UK 22/03/83
AE G-BKRM Del 30/03/83 and ferried to UK 06/04/83
Have checked two different sources and both confirm order of deliveries.
So the longest operation of the B757 in the world, not just Europe is Monarch, as BA stopped operating the B757 a few months back.
Before anyone mentions Open Skies, that is a subsidiary and the other BA B757 are parked awaiting delivery to Fedex.

[MKY661]

So the longest operation of the B757 in the world, not just Europe is Monarch,

And hopefully it will stay like that :ok:

[LGS6753]

IIRC Monarch were the first operator of RR-powered 757s.

[TSR2]

Monarch were the first operator of RR-powered 757s

The BA's 757's were RR powered.

[MKY661]

I heard they are getting 3 more airbuses shortly dont know any more details.

Wasn't Aer Lingus trying to get rid of their A321's? or Maybe they get them off Thomson?

[jucylucy]

Are Monarch going to have aircraft based in Dublin next summer? Heard they have lost the contract for next year!

[hatters united]

IIRC, Monarch were the first operator with RB211-535E4 powered 757's, the BA and Eastern aircraft were powered by RB211-535C2/4 I think.

If the grey matter is working correctly I also seem to recall the the initial Air Europe machines were a batch of C2/4 originally destined for BA.

The difference being the E4's are a higher thrust rating. I think its something like around an extra 2000lbs thrust ?

[LGS6753]

/memory recalibrate/

Yes, I think Hatters is correct

/return to grumpy old b@astard mode/

[ATIS]

I believe Monarch were the first to operate the 757s ETOPS. Pretty sure BA sent their troops to Monarch for ETOPS training when the 767 were intoduced during the early years

[Rolling Stone]

Your memory is correct ATIS. Monarch were the first to go ETOPS on the Uk register. The flight was to Orlando in florida via Bangor Maine.

[CabinCrewe]

Yip, no doubt about the order. BA, then MON. I remember it well. What say you StoneyBridge ? :=

[ZeBedie]

I think the early Monarch 757s were delivered with 535Cs and quicly converted to E4 standard and I think these were the first E4s in service. Later aircraft were delivered to Monarch with E4s.The E4 has a different external appearance to the C and it sounds different on take-off.

[Jamie2k9]

Are Monarch going to have aircraft based in Dublin next summer? Heard they have lost the contract for next year!


Its looking they have lost the whole contract now but it has yet to be confirmed if they will operate one aircraft. Sould be known in the next week or two.

[TartinTon]

Not sure that it's a case of "losing" the contract. Why give one of your aircraft at the time when they can make the most money for yourself i.e. Fri/Sat/Sun to one of your competitors so they can make a margin on top of your lease price?

Makes no economic sense whatsoever unless the 3rd party is prepared to offer over the odds to cover the less lucrative Mon-Thu flying.

[Egon Maybach]

Thanks for the economics lesson there Tartin :bored:, so why put an aircraft in EDI S12 for "the competition" then?

[Chidken Sangwich]

... or a Standby unit in LGW for a main competitor...?

I believe the may now have morphed into the EDI programme, i'll check my source.

[TartinTon]

Egon, try and follow, there's a good chap. The EDI unit is there all week i.e.7 days not just the weekend. That's a sensible use for a leased aircraft and doesn't leave the airline with the poorest days of the week to try and sell in-house.

Chidken...standby unit for a competitor? Please enlighten us....

[Egon Maybach]

I'm following just fine.
Do we charge our ZB punters 'well over the odds' Mon-Thu in order to get the (supposed) cream Fri-Sun, you of all people should know the answer to that.

[TartinTon]

You've missed the point again, Egon. If you look at ZB pricing there is a premium to travel over the weekend that supports the Mon-Thu flying not the other way round :=:=:=

[on time all the time]

The big announcement will be made in the next 10 days.
This is what Kevin George Monarch MD told us today. And it is going to be exciting...so he says...

[MKY661]

A week sunday then will probably be some route announcements or fleet announcements

[Ammunition]

baby acquisition perhaps? ;-)

[DomyDom]

Or,
Monarch appeared to give the impresion that they were going to announce some new routes from MAN for summer 2012 by end of Oct. It seems to have gone very quiet, are these plans still likely to happen? Please can anyone at Monarch thrown any light on if or when this is likley to happen. Thanks, DomyDom:confused: