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[MKY661]

maybe new routes from all 4 of its main bases

[TSR2]

Perhaps another livery change.

[Topspotter]

B737 order maybe?

[MKY661]

B737 order maybe?

Yeah possibly but i also heard that they are ordering some Airbus Aircraft

[Buster the Bear]

About Us (http://comefly.dk/public/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13&Itemid=71)

[Exascot]

B737 order maybe?

No, I understand they are putting this back on line:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/32684975/Brit.jpg

[Ian Brooks]

Get it back I for one would love to have flown on it but missed them by a few years
Oh well I can always dream!

[X-Centric]

So , who's this very non-Lutonian sounding ex air trafficker and new commercial director ,i can't say i've ever heard of him !! He can't be any worse than the last lot of PB management puppets tho'!

[Airbus321-200]

Wasn't he involved in JetMagic a few years back?

[MKY661]

Read a flightcheck book for MAN today and apparently Faro is being cut down from around 10 flights per week (Not sure what exact is) to just 1 on a Sunday, and apparently PMI is becoming seasonal again. Thats what the book said anyway

[Ian Brooks]

Flightcheck is not known for it`s accurcy

[crackling jet]

Could it be the opening of the NCL,BRS and another UK base as rumoured a couple of months ago ?

[TSR2]

and apparently Faro is being cut down from around 10 flights per week (Not sure what exact is) to just 1 on a Sunday

Faro flights from MAN over winter are reduced to between 3 and 6 per week depending on the month. Back to daily in March and double daily on certain days of the week, according to Monarch website.

[MKY661]

I heard there was a bird strike yesterday at GIB on the LTN flight. I was flying from GIB yesterday but i was going to MAN. Didnt see it though.

[sealink]

Ive heard Monarch are buying bmibaby...... ????

[CabinCrewe]

Oh jings, not again

[GWYN]

Is the Indonesian A330 going to be heading off to Oz next week? Seems they have a need there at the moment.

[Buster the Bear]

Why would Monarch want to purchase Baby?

[Airbus321-200]

The annoucement isn't going to be as big as everyone expects. Expect a "steady as she goes" annoucement i'd say. This day next week we'll all know by the sounds of it.

[DomyDom]

Airbus 321-200,

Please can you indicate if some new routes are likely to be in the offing?

[LD12986]

Monarch Airlines Gets $121 Million Bailout, Sunday Times Reports - Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-30/monarch-airlines-gets-121-million-bailout-sunday-times-reports.html)

The Swiss owners of Monarch Airlines Ltd. injected 75 million pounds ($121 million) in cash into the carrier because of surging fuel prices, the Sunday Times (http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/) reported.

It’s the second time in two years that the Mantegazza family have bailed out the company, which is expected to report a loss of 45 million pounds for the year, the newspaper said without citing anyone.

[MKY661]

Found this really strange today. ZB532/533 (MAN - PMI - MAN) is a morning flight and ZB534/535 (MAN - PMI - MAN) is an afternoon/evening one but for some strange reason today it was the other way round. Never seen this happen before. Anyone know why?

[Airbus321-200]

DomyDom - I don't have any inside info here but i just don't think it'll be as big as it's being built up as. New routes are always on the cards especially with the switch from MON to ZB.

[Rushed Approach]

This is simply press speculation from a newspaper that really ought to know better (it's that time of year). Swiss billionaires aren't in the habit of throwing good money after bad - that's why they remain Swiss billionaires that have increased their wealth over recent years, despite the "recession".

In reality, they are playing a long game and will back loans to companies in their portfolio that have served them well and will do so again in the future.

An airline's profit is but one element in the big picture. The shareholders buy and then lease aircraft that they own to the Company and are thus having their aircraft bought from the lease costs. Once these aircraft are paid for (after say 10 years) they make a substantial profit for the shareholder (not the company) for another 10 or more years, analogous to buying a buy-to-let house and having the tenants buy it for you in 10 years via their rent and therefter you enjoy another 10 years with no mortgage payments. Unfortunately aircraft tend to last not much longer than 20 or so years, unlike houses.

The point is that Monarch does not need to make money to be of value to the shareholders - why do you think it has NEVER made a substantial profit of more than £10m, despite a £700+m turnover in recent years, in over 40 years of trading?

[renort]

The line was always 3 consecutive years of losses and Sergio would sell. Wonder if that's still his mindset.

Brown's utter ineptitude continues to damage the business. Even after he's long gone. Shame.

[TCX69]

Ive heard Monarch are buying bmibaby...... ????

Funny that.. That is what Wolfang was hinting at the other day! Found it quite to believe myself but apparently an announcement is due on Thursday..

bmi Mainline announcement to follow a week or so after..

[Airbus321-200]

If bmi baby have and announcement by the end of the week then that matches up with monarchs "big" announcement. It would be a good way to get into the regional markets.

[easyflyer83]

In what way? Don't Baby only have Belfast and East Mids that are uncommon with the rest of the Monarch bases?

[DomyDom]

AirbusA321-200, thanks for your response. I guess time will tell. Thanks again, DomyDom.

[HH6702]

Hi

THomas cook holidays have 4 757 aircraft planned to be based at NCL next summer again. THis summer there was 2 from TCX and 1 from AEU and 1 from MINT airlines....

Could Monarch have teamed up with TCX at NCL to operate a based aircraft on behalf of TC holidays. This way it would give monarch the entrance into operating from NCL with out such a high risk....
If say each flight was chartered by TCX holidays say 80% of seats then 20% of seats to be sold through monarch.com??

What do you think?

[partyboy_uk]

Unlikely. Monarch have said that they will not charter out any more flights unless they are 100% chartered by a single tour operator. As well as this Monarch are looking to move into fully scheduled flights of their own. However, they may sell some of these seats to other tour operators wanting to use the capacity as they currently do on their existing ZB network.

[Airbus321-200]

easyflyer83 - bmibaby have Belfast city, Cardiff and East Midlands where ZB don't have bases.

Then with MAN & BHX you can take baby off the routes ZB do and offer more destinations with the extra capacity.

Engineering can do the maintance on 737's as alot of engineers are 737 trained.

Another idea i have is if ZB buy Air Europa. Lots of rumours about 737/767 which they have and don't forget the link up they agreed to although yet to see any news on that one. ZB want to increase their pax inbound to the UK so this would be a way to do that. Plus Air Europa have 330's and the smaller ERJ's which could do nicely in some of the smaller UK markets.

[Shed-on-a-Pole]

Airbus321-200 -

The former BMI Baby bases at MAN and CWL have both closed down. Sorry to see them go.

[partyboy_uk]

One of the reasons why Monarch is looking at new aircraft is for the purpose of fuel efficiency. I don't think BMI Baby's relatively old 737's will achieve this when compared with the new aircraft the likes of Ryanair and Easyjet have. Any purchase of an operation with these aircraft would be madness.

Air Europa has 9 x A330's and 2 x 767-300ER's, along with an order for 8 x 787's and options for 8 more. This does not fit in with Monarch's grand plan to focus for the time being on its short haul network. None of this fits I'm afraid.

[rumair999]

Monarch to buy Air Europa ? are you for real !
Really I dont think so:=

[scotsunflyer]

The earlier post on EDI for next year. Is this replacing the AEU aircraft, or is this for TCX ?

[on time all the time]

Monarch has announced the closure of the Dublin base. Staff consulted over the issue.

[The Member]

According to the Sunday Times yesterday the owners of Monarch had to pump in 75 million pounds this month. 2 years ago they had to pump in 45 Million.
I think the Mantegazza family would do better leasing their aircraft to another airline rather than pouring money into a badly managed black hole!!!
Sad. Not the happy ship it once used to be.:sad:

[HH6702]

partyboy

Well how about Monarch operating the aircraft as ZB but with Thomas cook holidays have 80% seats onboard the aircraft?

Less risk then to ZB for making the base work?

[TurboTomato]

Not sure if this should be in the SLF forum, but it is Monarch related...

Do Monarch charge any extra for checking in at the terminal instead of online (like Ryanair do)? I ask as when I try to check in online I'm forced to pre-book a seat as well, at a cost of £8 per person per flight.

[MKY661]

I dont think they do. we have never had to pay extra at MAN.

[partyboy_uk]

Well how about Monarch operating the aircraft as ZB but with Thomas cook holidays have 80% seats onboard the aircraft?Possible maybe

Do Monarch charge any extra for checking in at the terminal instead of online (like Ryanair do)? I ask as when I try to check in online I'm forced to pre-book a seat as well, at a cost of £8 per person per flight.There is no charge for checking in at the desk in the terminal. Unfortunately, like you say, it is only possible to check in online if you purchase allocated seats onboard for a charge.

[MANTHRUST]

Monarch 75's are planned to operate for TCX in 2012
at a few regionals. That will be a shock for them but at least it will
all be on voyage and probably DO 's unless the new crewing system
does what it says on the tin.

[HH6702]

Looks like NCL will get a MON base then and hopefully some ZB flights for next summer?

how many 757's are left in the fleet?

[Airbus321-200]

I doubt NCL will get a base. Just looking at possibilties.

[HH6702]

4 aircraft are needed.
THis summer we had an aircraft each from AEU and MINT and 2 from TCX.

Maybe cheaper For TCX to charter MON/ZB than MINT or AEU??
If they dont need all the seats and ZB sell some of the seats themselfs?

[MANTFS]

New routes
Manchester to Dubrovnik, Milan, Venice and Verona
- Birmingham to Rome, Dubrovnik, Heraklion, Milan and Venice
- London Gatwick to Dubrovnik, Heraklion, Milan and Venice
- London Luton to Rome

[RHINO]

go on then, there not on the website so where did that gem come from?

[MANTFS]

It is starting to be released through news agencies today.

[Airbus321-200]

Yep thats the BIG announcement. New routes and 2x320's.

No 737-800 before summer 2013.

Steady as she goes!

[DickPilot]

And fleet expansion to 40 aircraft.

[Curious Pax]

And fleet expansion to 40 aircraft.

That'll take more than 2 320s. Jethro's site currently has:

4 A300s
5 A320s
16 A321s
2 A330s
3 757s

which is 30 aircraft.

[Ian Brooks]

Not by next year I wouldn`t think

[RHINO]

reread AIRBUS 321's post.....steady as you go:ok:

[DickPilot]

Curios Pax

Fleet expansion will take place over time, therefore 40 aircraft in the medium term. This is directly from a management memo to staff as of 1030 this morning. Bytheway, no mention of BMI Baby.

[cesare.caldi]

Any idea about what airport will use for new route to milan? Mxp or bgy?

[Airbus321-200]

Dont forget the 757s will be going and the A300s only have 3 yrs max left in them.

So thats 7 aircraft to leave medium term. so realistically they will need 15 aircraft on top of the 320s that are coming.

So the 737s will certainly be on the cards.

But as i said - steady as she goes should be monarchs tagline. This really wasnt as big of an announcement that people thought it would be. An airline launching new routes?? heaven forbid. Not even a new ZB base.

But it certainly is a big step forward towards a scheduled airline. Now they need to get their turnaround times down and a 3rd rotation for most aircraft and profit wont be far off.

[lexoncd]

Injection of capital to fund short term activities to see how the current downturn will affect the underlying business model. Sell to one of the other lo co or other main stream tour operators. Drop the cosmos brand as now the Co-op is tied up with Thomas Cook so distribution will be an issue.

Announce 40 aircraft and then in the months ahead gradually reduce this expectation?

I hope not. I think the Monarch product is spot on...

[j636]

with these new routes where will the reductions come from at MAN & LGW as they are gettinlg no extra aircraft and with the 757 going to. Will the DUB base closure be enough to add routes without reducing others.

Great to see ZB expanding at BHX

[Airbus321-200]

There is still charter work in Ireland for next year. But not from DUB as far as i've seen on thomas cook website.

2 x A320s joining the fleet and an A320 transfered from LTN and MAN to go to BHX and LGW.

There must be a bigger plan than this as with medium term fleet expectations at 40 aircraft there must be an order ahead or a major lease agreement. 7 aircraft(757&300) to leave the fleet within the next few years so that means 17 aircraft need to be found. With these 2 320s coming it then means 15 aircraft needed for the medium term goal.

[compton3bravo]

Just done a quick calculation for schedules for Luton on Saturday mornings in June and July and unless the schedule changes it will still need FIVE aircraft - the same as summer 2011. Departures to Gib, Palma, Alicante, Malaga and Faro.
I would think probably a three times weekly to Rome with hopefully a Friday and Sunday rotation.
If a A320 is being moved more room for another Wizz, easyJet aircraft to night stop.
One some mornings I see there are 13 Wizz arrivals.

[Chidken Sangwich]

Isn't the D6 PMI on AB6 on 'W' from MAN?

[MKY661]

No Heraklion from MAN? would have been a good choice to convert from charter to scheduled & think. Same with Corfu.

And the Milan is Milan Malpensa & Venice is Venice-Marco Polo

[MKY661]

The dates of the new routes:

Manchester
Dubrovnik from 27 March 3pw
Milan-Malpensa from 25 March 4pw
Venice-Marco Polo from 27 March 4pw
Verona from 25 March 2pw

Birmingham
Dubrovnik from 1 May 2pw (seasonal)
Heraklion from 1 May 2pw (seasonal)
Milan-Malpensa from 25 March 4pw
Rome-Fiumicino from 25 March 5pw
Venice-Marco Polo from 25 March 4pw

Luton
Rome-Fiumicono from 25 March 3pw

Gatwick
Dubrovnik from 1 May 3pw (seasonal)
Heraklion from 1 May 3pw (seasonal)
Milan-Malpensa from 25 March 6pw
Venice-Marco Polo from 25 March 4pw

[Buster the Bear]

There is a Luton-Palma on a Saturday that departs around 08:00 and the A300 in at lunchtime on a W pattern.

[Jamie2k9]

There is still charter work in Ireland for next year. But not from DUB as far as i've seen on thomas cook website.



No work for MON and they are finding it hard to get a replacment carrier to operate the flights left by MON.

[Airbus321-200]

Monarch are working out of Ireland next year. Ireland.... not Dublin. Cork seems to have at least 3/4 days work out of there for next yr.

So it's not monarch turning down the work but just taking the more profitable work.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Whatever flights ORK have lost is a direct result of Aer Lingus starting PMI, LPA and Ryanair starting LPA,TFS and ACE which has had a big inpact on charter flights over the summer and even this winter there is only one charter flight to ACE compared to 3 to ACE and 1 to LPA the previous winter.

On the TCK irish site the only flight that Cork does not have a carrier for is FAO which MON done on a W from DUB last year.

TCX ORK schedule next summer updated 21 October 11:
AIR CONTRACTORS Crete 17:25 23:55 13:35 16:25 18-May-12 28-Sep-12
IBERWORLD Costa Dorada 07:00 10:10 17:45 19:00 11-May-12 21-Sep-12
TRAVEL SERVICE Lanzarote TBA TBA TBA TBA 05-May-12 03-Nov-12
IBERWORLD Gran Canaria 14:30 18:20-19:20 23:10 05-May-12 27-Oct-12
TBA Portugal (Faro) TBA TBA TBA TBA 20-May-12 30-Sep-12 (block on bookings unitl further notice-next update late November)
ONUR AIR Turkey (Bodrum) 09:40 16:00-06:00 08:40 19-May-12 29-Sep-12
IBERWORLD Majorca 07:00 10:25-11:25 13:00 19-May-12 29-Sep-12

[compton3bravo]

No Chickden there are two Palma´s on a Saturday an early morning on an A320/1 and the ´W¨pattern with an A300 in the early afternoon. Hope this is clear C3B. Ooops sorry repeating somebody else!

[Chidken Sangwich]

C3B - Thanks.

PMI - Maybe a prime candidate for a consolidation onto the AB6 then if they need to pull an aircraft out?

[Airbus321-200]

EI-EIDW - not to sure what info you're looking at but heres what i can see:

Costa dorada (reus) - Monarch W pattern with SNN
Gran Canaria - Monarch
Palma - Monarch

with more to be added.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

A321-200 had a look again and you were right but a few weeks ago all those were Iberworld and as the times hadn't changed I didn't look to see if the airline had changed. Whats being used A320 or A321?

Also ORK-FARO on Thursdays and ORK-ACE and AGP on Sundays for another operator. Iberworld not basing in Cork like last year.

[Airbus321-200]

I'd say the FAO and ACE will be monarch. Not sure about the AGP.

I think it's a 320.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Thursday - ORK-FAO-ORK - Falcon/Thomson
Friday - ORK-REU-SNN-REU-ORK - Falcon/Thomson/Thomas Cook
Saturday - ORK-PMI-ORK-LPA-ORK - Falcon/Thomson/Thomas Cook
Sunday - ORK-AGP-ORK-ACE-ORK - Falcon/Thomson

[MKY661]

Is Cork a new Monarch base then?

[compton3bravo]

Just done some more digging and both Sunday and Monday mornings as well as Saturday need FIVE aircraft. If one aircraft is to be transferred there is going to be a large overhaul of the schedules. Also do not think much of the Rome schedules - looks like a filler or spoiler to me - surely you need a Friday-Sunday rotation at least for weekend traffic - but who am I.

[easyflyer83]

I guess Friday and Sunday rotations would be nice but you'll find that being one of the further European Cities, City breakers will probably tend to stay longer.

[Jack1985]

A Cork base is to be set-up in May 2011 operating flights to Faro, Gran Canaria, Lanzarote, Malaga, Palma and Reus and i understand there charter flights, but could i be wrong? are Monarch likely to sell them as scheduled with bulk seats for travel agencys? most of the routes which will be launched face direct competition from both Aer Lingus and Ryanair.

[Airbus321-200]

Where is the ORK base info coming from?? considering the company dont even know about it yet.

[Jack1985]

Irish Travel agents examples; Direct Holidays Ireland, Falcon Holidays, Panorama Ireland, Sunway, SunWORLD are selling flights for next summer to those destinations all operated by Monarch and the timetable of the routes suggests a based aircraft.

considering the company dont even know about it yet.

Somehow i think they would given the fact they applied to operate the routes maybe ? :ok:

[partyboy_uk]

Jack,

Don't jump to conclusions with this. All of these flights have MON flight numbers which suggests that these are actually Monarch charter flights and not scheduled. The flights run from Thur - Mon and can all be done by 1 aircraft which could simply position there for these days with 2 crews for the same duration. No need for a base :) The flights are as follows:

THUR
ORK/FAO MON7128 1340/1655
FAO/ORK MON7129 1755/2025

FRI
ORK/REU MON7104 0700/1010
REU/SNN MON7125 1110/1230
SNN/REU MON7124 1330/1645
REU/ORK MON7105 1745/1900

SAT
ORK/PMI MON7188 0700/1025
PMI/ORK MON7189 1125/1300

ORK/LPA MON7182 1430/1820
LPA/ORK MON7183 1920/2310

SUN
ORK/AGP MON7194 0700/1035
AGP/ORK MON7195 1135/1310

ORK/ACE MON7138 1440/1825
ACE/ORK MON7139 1925/2305

[Jack1985]

partyboy_uk,

I wasent thanks for pointing that out though stops the rumours, just wanted to double check :)

[Mr @ Spotty M]

It is the same for Dub, base is closed, but it will still operate charter flights when and where possible.
I lay you good odds that MON will be operating flights in and out of Dub for the international rugby matches.

[Airbus321-200]

Monarch nearly always have flights for the rugby and even when there was a DUB base the DUB crew never operated them. Mainly LGW crew.

With the ORK rumours etc - yes it would make sense for them to base crew there but i'd say it would all depend if the DUB crew want to move. Watch this space. Its charter work, changes every few weeks. As mentioned previously these flights were listed at Iberworld a few weeks ago.

[easyJet Jack]

Hey guys, slightly off topic, sorry!

Seeing as though there's around a 40% reduction in flights over the quieter winter period, does anyone know what happens to the aircraft that obviously won't be required?

Also, shout at me all you want if this may seem a "spotters" question, but does anyone know which aircraft will be where predominently this winter (as a rough guideline).

I'm guessing quite a lot of the aircraft will be getting thorough checks and cleans, as well as the new paint jobs over this winter period also?

Thanks :)

[clareview]

Not only Monarch but all British charter airlines look for other business during the winter for example several aircraft go to Canada every year to make up a shortfall during its peak season for holidays to the Caribbean and Florida (in the same way that Sunwing aircraft come here during our summer period). We here of the occassional one going to the US or elsewhere. In addition to the heavy maintenance you mention, there is also business to be had ferrying pilgrims, mainly from Asia, to Saudi Arabia for the Hadj pilgrimage. Winter is also a good time to off load aircraft - sales or lease returns.

Monarch does not seem to be as active in these markets as Thomas Cooke or Thomson

[TCX69]

Also, shout at me all you want if this may seem a "spotters" question, but does anyone know which aircraft will be where predominently this winter (as a rough guideline).

From what I gather this winter, the Monarch fleet are based as follows:

BHX: 4x A321
LGW: 2x A300, 2x A320, 5x A321, 1x A330, 2x B757
LTN: 2x A320, 1x A321
MAN: 2x A300, 1x A320, 6x A321, 1x A330 (Fri GOI only), 1x B757

I stand to be corrected though...

[Blighty Pilot]

I have a feeling I seem to remember someone from the inside saying BHX = 3 x A321's

[easyJet Jack]

I'm guessing that a lot of these based aircraft will stand vacant quite frequently. For example at Manchester 11 based aircraft is surely surplus for the amount of routes being operated?

:)

[TCX69]

I have a feeling I seem to remember someone from the inside saying BHX = 3 x A321's

I thought that was meant to be the case but there is currently 4 based there. G-MARA, G-OZBN, G-OZBT & G-OZBU.

They all fly everyday but I think the programme could actually be done with just 3.

[crackling jet]

Roumour has it that Monarch are operating some ski flights out of BRS this winter, anyone confirm these roumours

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Are they all flying?
l don't think so, G-MARA has been tech for the last few days l believe.

[TCX69]

Are they all flying?
l don't think so, G-MARA has been tech for the last few days l believe.

Well 'RA operated the LPA on Sat 5th but yes hasn't been flying since. Guessing if it wasn't tech though it would of been flying.

[MKY661]

It had a tech fault so it will be in BHX wont it. It will proabaly stay there too.

MAN is ok to have 11 at the base. It has 11 in the summer time and if it had less than this, where would the other aircraft go. BHX, LTN & LGW would also have cutbacks too so it would be best to keep the aircraft where they are.

MAN: 2x A300, 1x A320, 6x A321, 1x A330 (Fri GOI only), 2x B757

Dunno if there is 2 in MAN all 3 operating charter flights and i dont think they are from MAN because no charters have been on the departing flights recently (I type in MON and it comes up with nothing). Also i dont know these routes on flightradar24 because i cant find them anywhere but i would say they are from LGW

data.flight24.com/airplanes/g-monj
data.flight24.com/airplanes/g-monk
data.flight24.com/airplanes/g-dajb

I would list all aircraft where they are at the moment but that is too spotty to put onto this forum page :(

[Centre cities]

It is 4 x 321 at BHX.

[MKY661]

Anyone know why a lot of MAN - ALC flights are being operated as MON flights instead of ZB flights? They all start with MON911? but anyone know why this is happening?

[TartinTon]

A series of ad-hoc charters for a car manufacturers product launch

[spottyemm]

I think they are a series being run for Volkswagen. VIP qualified cabin crew are being rostered for these flights and some are 'w' patterns.

[Buster the Bear]

Where are the 'new' A320's coming from?

[qwertyuiop]

A320's from Air Berlin.

[MKY661]

Wonder if they will be allowed more as Air Berlin have loads of A320's. Do we know the reg's yet?

[renort]

Maybe they'll name one in honour of Peter Brown as a reminder of the absolute mess he got the business in. Interesting that most employees today probably don't understand the significance of reg's such as MAJS OJMR and MPCD (RIPx3) and what they did for the company. Seriously can't see any of the current band of journeyman nitwits ever getting themselves the same distinction.

[Monde]

try getting the 762 G-BOPB back from wherever it's gone - i'm sure people at MON can work out a pneumonic for it!

[SCANDIC]

Its flying for Jordan aviation.

[Benod]

Is it just me or Monarch has cut a few Monday flights out of Gatwick for 2012 e.g Paphos and Majorca?

[TCX69]

Benod Is it just me or Monarch has cut a few Monday flights out of Gatwick for 2012 e.g Paphos and Majorca?

According to ther timetable they still operate to Palma on Mondays:

ZB226 LGW0750 | PMI1055
ZB227 PMI1150 | LGW1255

Doesn't appear to be any flights to Paphos though no.

[Benod]

Yeah, before there was a monday flight to paphos at 13:55. Dont know why theese flights are being cut

[fanrailuk]

Does anyone know if there will be another Monarch orientated aviation enthusiast day after the 16 December one?

Thanks in advance :ok:

[TartinTon]

Benod....I would assume that it's not making any money for them? That's the reason airlines normally cut flights....:ugh::ugh::ugh:

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Benod....I would assume that it's not making any money for them? That's the reason airlines normally cut flights....:ugh::ugh::ugh:


They didn't have 14 weekly flights to BCN from LGW to fit into last summers progame which may be the reason.

[MKY661]

MAN - AGP looks to be cut pretty badly as well. Only 1 flight a day compared to 2 last year.

[MARKEYD]

Are Monarch operating the annual flight from Bournemouth to New York JFK on Sunday 20 th Nov for Bath Travel if so does anyone possibly no what aircraft they are using ?

[MKY661]

I dont know but if it does it will probably be an A330. Dont forget though Aalborg - Fort Myers is also running this winter (of what ive heard)

[Tight Seat]

JFK is norm on the 300

[im going in]

757 this year.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

It was also on the B757 last year. :ok:

[windytoo]

Same Skipper as well!

[Tight Seat]

I'm sure it will have 3 crews on it, how else will they stay in check this winter;-)

[easyJet Jack]

The last ever Monarch departure from Terminal 1 has taken to the skies. :(

The next time a Monarch touches down, it'll be taxiing to that god awful Terminal 2.

[MKY661]

No it won't both ZB569 from TFS and ZB613 from LPA will arrive at T1 tonight:
http://www.manchesterairport.co.uk/flightinformation/?keyword=zb&searchAOrD=A

Will be very sad ZB moving to T2 it will be really different with them there. :( I think it would have been better if they stayed at T1 and TCX moved to T2.

[MKY661]

Last Departure from T1: ZB612 to LPA unsure what gate it left from. BG is doing the last one. :(

[easyJet Jack]

Yeah, they arrive at Terminal 1, but my guess is that they will be parked at T2, most likely remote and then the pax will be bussed to Terminal 1. I'm sure I read that somewhere, so that the A/C are ready for Tuesday morning.

Yeah, T1 will just look wrong.

[MKY661]

Yeah, T1 will just look wrong.

Agree with that. Pier B will be full of Jet2 and EasyJet (when they move on 30th) and crampt whilst the nicer pier, Pier C will be dead.

[TSR2]

Pier B will be full of Jet2 and EasyJet (when they move on 30th) and crampt whilst the nicer pier, Pier C will be dead

Why do you say that? I flew with Jet2 this summer from Pier C.

[MKY661]

Other from gate 21 (which i think is only used by Jet2) i have never seen a Jet2 737 at Pier C and i have only seen a 757 at Pier C like twice. Whe i use MAN they pretty much own Pier B

[TSR2]

i have never seen a Jet2 737 at Pier C and i have only seen a 757 at Pier C like twice

Well I have flown with Jet2 from Pier C on at least two occasions over the last 18 months, both times on a 757. Can't speak for 737's as I have never noticed, but Jet2 are no strangers to Pier C.

Ps; Sorry for thread drift, just realised this is the Monarch thread

[MKY661]

Yeah any more and this will have to be moved to the MAN thread. Anyway first departure from T2 will be to Malaga. (ZB654) Was Expecting something like Faro or Alicante.

[easyflyer83]

Easyjet will also be using certain Pier C stands aswell but during the day (2nd/3rd wave) they will normally be on pier B.

[manbaghall]

there already a 321 on stand 208 dont know the reg been there for most of the afternoon

[Buster the Bear]

Where are the 2 'new' A320's coming from?

[Blighty Pilot]

Air Berlin

[MKY661]

They've officailly moved! Haven seen any pictures yet or weather they were using airbridges or remote stands but i did found this cool video showing their new check-in area. Looking nice:

Manchester Airport T2 - YouTube

[Fuel Crossfeed]

there already a 321 on stand 208 dont know the reg been there for most of the afternoon

Its was G-OZBM used on the ZB654 to Malaga it was their first departure from T2 and it pushed 5 mins early :D:ok:

[brian_dromey]

Do Monarch have their own level at T2 then? IT seems they have an entire area to themselves?

[aiuk]

Does anyone know when G-EOMA is back from Hadj lease and what will happen to her when she's back in the UK?

[Topspotter]

By all accounts they pushed a hard bargain and got a very good deal from the airport as a sweetener to move to T2...

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Yes, she is back around 14th December, she is going into the MAEL MAN hangar on the 14th for a "2C" Check. :ok:

[MKY661]

and then apparently getting the new Monarch.co.uk logo on its fuse (according to previous posts). Hopefully it will look good. Still only the one A321 with the new decals though i thought they would have started by now :(

[Mr @ Spotty M]

It takes time, firstly once the design was agreed, you then have to get the manufacturing quotes.
The next problem is getting them fitted, down time and hangar space, as it is not the right time of year to try fitting them outside.

[aiuk]

Thanks Spotty M!

So you reckon then G-SMAN will be operating the Enthusiasts flight to MAN on Dec 16th? lol :ok:

[MKY661]

I wanted to go on that but unfortunately it starts from LGW and my nearest Airport is LPL but i use MAN a lot so would prefer MAN - LGW - MAN rather than LGW - MAN - LGW

[MKY661]

Does anyone know if flight MON9035 from BOO - LGW was a one off flight or if it operates regularly?

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Its an Ad-Hoc charter.

[MKY661]

According to the TOM thread ZB are coming back to EDI? Dont know if true but just thought id post here.

[Airbus321-200]

Yeah monarch will be back in EDI from what i hear. 99.5% sure of it.

[MKY661]

Found a Vid!
Manchester airport Monarch now at T2 - YouTube

[waffler]

What was a Monarch 757 doing in JFK on Sunday ?

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Doing the yearly shopping trip from BOH.

[bn1]

Is there any more information on when Monarch are receiving the 737-800's? Any ideas on where they are going to be based?

[on time all the time]

......there aren't any B737-800 coming....so far. None ordered...shall I say yet....
The last info from management was they were still evaluating....
I think they may have seen the storm coming and have remained very prudent. So only 2 second hand A320s next summer.

[Tight Seat]

About time it said here in bad grammar .

If you want to pay less for a flight to Spain than a taxi from central London to LHR, good luck. If you enjoy good airlines going to the wall and loads of fantastic workers without a job, crack on and complain. Monarch is a great company. If you feel that it is your duty to complain about paying cock all for your flight, please , I'm sure ,orange, harp or 1960's battle ship grey can help.

Otherwise don't book .

This is for Benob 2 posts below . No idea why this post has come before his .

[easyJet Jack]

Will be nice to see Monarch in Sevilla, albeit only for a day :)
Monarch | 2011 News - Flights - Portuguese General strike - Thursday 24 November | Flights News (http://www.monarch.co.uk/news/flights/2011-news/portugese-strike-nov11)

[Georgeablelovehowindia]

Sevilla ... that's where we - the original batch of Monarch 737 pilots - did our base training, with Britannia training captains growling at us! (25/26 Nov 1980 B737-2K9 G-DFUB.) Coo ... nearly thirty-one years ago to the day. :uhoh:

I wonder, with the worsening situation in the market, and the specific Red Sea destinations for which they are intended, if the 737-800s will ever come. 2013 is the earliest Monarch could get hold of any, due to high demand.

[Benod]

About Time that someone has said about this:

Monarch misled customers, says watchdog-23 November, 2011 (http://www.travelmole.com/stories/1150390.php)

[TartinTon]

Wow..I bet Monarch are really bothered by what the ASA has said...just look at the effect that it has had on Baby, Jet2, Ryan, Easy etc etc etc. :rolleyes:

A toothless organisation with no power to enforce anything. :ugh:

[Buster the Bear]

G-DFUB, remember her and her cousins very well.

By far my favourite airline and I hope their plans for the future go well for them. With APD pricing the 787 out of the long haul market, probably a sound decision to cancel.

Some great folk at the 'front end', just hope those making the decisions from above match their professionalism?

[TSR2]

Yes thats a strange one. Your post was timed at 19.37 but appears as 11.24. Seems like you are responding to something posted over 5 hours later.
How about some tottery numbers for Saturday :ok:

Ps; This is happening on other threads too. Questions answered hours before the question is asked.

[arriva]

Off to sunny Sharm on saturday flying from Manchester,anyone know aircraft being used please.:ok:

[TartinTon]

arriva, you'll be on an Airbus A321

[MKY661]

First Monarch A300 in new colours!!!!!

JetPhotos.Net Photo » G-MONS (CN: 556) Monarch Airlines Airbus A300B4-605R by Nik French (http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=7242775&nseq=0)

They have missed a spot on the engine though. Doh!

[Mr @ Spotty M]

No they have not, the original intake was robbed due to a problem with the one fitted to "JS" a few days back.
The one fitted to "NS" might be on loan, while the ex "JS" one is repaired.

[easyJet Jack]

That's give the A300 a new lease of life, it looks great. The new titles suit the 300 a lot better that the 321!

It'll be interesting to see the rest of the fleet :)

[scotsunflyer]

Has it been decided whether it will be an A320/A321 based at Edinburgh for Summer 12, or will it be one of the remaining B752 or even the A300?

[CabinCrewe]

A300's for LGW and MAN next summer, so unless a w, cant see one at EDI. A bit of a jump in capacity also.
The new colours look a cluttered mess. No likey.

[X-Centric]

Edi will be a 757 crewed by Man flight deck (so no Man based 757 next summer!). And cabin crewe i agree , the new colours are appalling , must have taken someone at least 5 minutes to come up with that!

[CabinCrewe]

Seat guru suggests 229 757 and 220 for A321 but think it should be 235

[Cazza_fly]

No they have not, the original intake was robbed due to a problem with the one fitted to "JS" a few days back.
The one fitted to "NS" might be on loan, while the ex "JS" one is repaired.

I think MKY661 was joking . . .

In my opinion the new titiles would have looked much better / neater without the Spotty 'M' logo infront of them and kept it's single pride of place on the tail. I guess it will grow on me and we will all get used to it though..

[CabinCrewe]

Hadnt realised there was only 9 seats of a difference between A321 and 757 in Monarch config

[TartinTon]

There isn't. It's 15.

[Buster the Bear]

I always thought the 757 seated 235?

[TartinTon]

Not for a few years now.

Configs as follows:

A330 - 358Y
A300 - 352Y
B757 - 229Y
A321 - 214Y
A320 - 174Y

[Cazza_fly]

One row was removed from the single aisle fleet a few years ago to allow the first few rows to be sold as extra space seats. There's upto 34" in these first few rows, with the rest of the cabin remaining the standard 28-29" pitch.

[MKY661]

MAN - LEI dropped for 2012 :(

[golball59]

Hi Guys/gals


Just wondered if anyone knew a source/could let me know what the distribution of monarch aircraft are around their bases.

Doing some research into them and can't seem to locate this info (not info from this year, anyway)

[MKY661]

Think it is this:
MAN
2XA300
2XA320
6XA321
1XA330 (Only In on Fri at the moment until end of Hajj)
1XB757

BHX
4XA321

LTN
1XA320
1XA321

LGW
2XA300
2XA320
5XA321
1XA330 (goes to MAN on Fri until end of Hajj)
2XB757

[fjencl]

I hear edinburgh will open as a base again for monarch
summer 2012.
What aircraft will they be using here. A320 or 321 ????

Cheers

[AP1995]

Is MON starting charter operations to Orlando? if so why?

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Neither, it is going to be a B757 based from MAN.

[TartinTon]

AP..flights to Orlando Sanford have been going for a few years now

[MKY661]

What will the new routes from EDI be? or is this unconfirmed?

[tubby linton]

Gossip has it that due to the way PB had the 757 Fleet written down in the accounts that they will be around for a few more years. They should be a good back up to the 321 when conditions are not still air.

[BKS Air Transport]

I understood the three 757s were being put on charter work for Thomas Cook. One at Edinburgh, one at Leeds and one at ??? Is this still the case?

[CabinCrewe]

Dont think theyll be any "new" routes from EDI, just the charter routes from last summer (some of which were operated by TCX 757s and TOM 738's), might be some reshuffling though.

[Exasperated]

I understood the three 757s were being put on charter work for Thomas Cook. One at Edinburgh, one at Leeds and one at ??? Is this still the case?

I believe the MON 757 is to operate for Thomsons and not Thomas Cook next summer replacing the Astraeus 757 used in 2011.

Thomas Cook only have a small presence in EDI, six routes and some only for the peak season, so it would mean a major expansion which, given the current TC situation, is highly unlikely. It is a shame really as they were much larger and up to 2009 has a based MON aircraft. They then switched to buying capacity from GSM for 2010 and we all know what happened next.

CC - Thomas Cook used their own 757 and BA/BE Embraers last year. Thomson used the AEU 757. There was no Tom B738 but it is used for three days this winter positioning up from Luton.

Cheers

[peachair732]

well what will monarch do for all those sharm runs if the 757s are phased out? the 321 is a very poor substitute for the 757 on many MON runs, but particularly for the ever increasing number of flights to Sharm from Northern airports in particular, the 321 will have range or payload issues many times, will pax get there, maybe but all there luggage too? if the 321 is chocka full and winds are blowing be a struggle for a fully charter config 321 to get back from sharm, unless they are planning to reduce the holidaymakers luggage allowance to say 10kg? haha.

Sorry but the 321 cannot do for monarch what the 757 can. So Monarch might think to keep those old birds a little longer! lets hope so.

[MKY661]

The A321 actually does some SSH routes right now. BE, BF, BH and BI have certain engines so they can do the route. Not sure if the otherA321's are due to follow though.

[LGS6753]

There was a suggestion a few months ago that 4 321s were going to have additional tanks installed this autumn to give the range required.

[MKY661]

They must of already been installed as only those 4 A321's above have done MAN - SSH or LGW - SSH since November.

[Alloy]

With the increase in fuel costs, some of the 321s have had an additional tank reinstalled and the MTOW increased from 89 to 93 tonnes. These 321s are now used on some Red Sea flights.

[tubby linton]

I have heard that even with an act there has already been a tech stop.Horses for courses?

[Wardie73]

I understand that the 757's are due to get the new livery.:ok:

[Mr @ Spotty M]

All a/c are due to get the new livery eventually. :ok:

[factanonverba]

This aircraft, the A321, in this fuel config, will carry a full cabin and 200+ bags, and on present timings is easily capable of flying SSH-UK and still fly at normal cruise for a further 1.5+ hrs and still land with normal diversion reserves. Inside its a tin can just like the 757. There is absolutely no problem fuel capacity wise! This is with 30kt+ headwind component homeward bound.:ugh:

[peachair732]

I think Monarch have a problem because what aircraft can replace those old 757s? newer second hand 757s maybe, late build models. The 321 even in favourable conditions will struggle with a full pax payload and a full compliment of pax baggage. SSH from say Man, most are holidaymakers on 1 week/2 week hols so most if not all will take hold luggage, which will cause probs for the 321 when operating these red sea charters.

There is no suitable 757 replacement in current manufacture. 321 is less capacity, people think its almost a 757 seating but it has fewer seats and less range, The 757 has been good for Monarch as they could use them on short haul, medium haul and even longer haul charters, with no payload problems. I feel moving to an all 321 fleet is what mon want but they recognise, clearly that the for some routes the 321 is not the right choice, hence why they seem so reluctant to part with those few remaining 757s

[TCX69]

All a/c are due to get the new livery eventually.

Noooo! Hopefully it's not completed any time soon.

[Mr A Tis]

Where have the Astreus B757s gone? I'm sure that if ZB wanted more 75s they could be sourced from somewhere.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

But the point is, MON do not want any more B757's, because of the operating cost advantage the A321 has over the B757 within the MON/ZB route structure.
By the way, the four A321 a/c that MON have installed an ACT, do not have any uprated engines. :ok:

[Denti]

Saw an A321 in monarch livery parked in CGN yesterday (G-MARA), was that a tech stop? Or some charter flight? Haven't seen them there before, so was kinda surprised.

[MKY661]

Maybe for a repaint into new colours? Heard an A300 is at MAN being resprayed too (MAJS).

If this is the case, then 4 will be in new colours (MAJS, MONS, MARA & OZBT)

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Are you positive of where you were, because l think G-MARA was parked in Berlin (TXL) yesterday on a charter. ;)

[rumair999]

are they doing much charter work at the moment?

[Leonard320]

MKY661 Maybe for a repaint into new colours? Heard an A300 is at MAN being resprayed too (MAJS).

If this is the case, then 4 will be in new colours (MAJS, MONS, MARA & OZBT)

G-OZBM will also be in the new paint, in decal form by the end of the hanger check. The New purple tail is clear to see in the hanger windows.

Thanks

[MKY661]

Wasnt another one having a hangar check at LTN a few days ago? think it was OJEG, that might have been painted too maybe?

[Wardie73]

MAJS is now sporting the new livery:ok:

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Yes it has left the hangar in the new livery.
Please note that no a/c has yet been painted into the new livery, all using decals at the moment.
Not sure of when and what a/c are going for repaints this winter, A330s were going, but now l am not sure if this is the case.

[Wardie73]

A330 in for new livery, decals next week. :D

[MKY661]

Should be exitcing. Cant wait to see it :)

[Denti]

@Mr @ Spotty M, yup, i'm sure. Was shuttling between txl and cgn that day myself (usual four sector short haul day) and did spot a monarch plane in txl later on myself, however couldn't see the registration as it was somewhat dark and i had to make sure nothing happens to my plane ;)

In CGN it was parked around D20 on apron D opposite to terminal 2, one stair attached, doors closed, no lights. In txl around position 62 at terminal C adjacent to taxiway PE.

[monarch767]

The TXL flight was carrying Spanish shoppers from ZAZ

[im going in]

Denti,
As Mr@SpottyM states, there was no monarch flight to CGN on the 06th. G-MARA had been in TXL since the 03rd dec and departed TXL on the 06th back to ZAZ.

[MKY661]

If this is the case, then 4 will be in new colours (MAJS, MONS, MARA & OZBT)

We missed out one: G-OJEG, but G-MARA is not in new decals
G-OJEG - Monarch Airlines - Airbus A321-231 - Planespotters.net Just Aviation (http://www.planespotters.net/Aviation_Photos/photo.show?id=235562)

Anyway will Monarch be doing the world tour on one of their 757's this year?

[Wardie73]

I hear that G-EOMA will be the next aircraft to get the new livery.:D

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Yes Monarch will be operating the world tours again next year and "EOMA" might be the next one to have the decals fitted, but it will not be the next to appear with them (not off "C" check till next year).

[goldeneye]

Monarch are launching flights to Sanford from Cardiff and Newcastle for 2012.

Source (http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/134645/monarch-airlines-adds-transatlantic-links-from-uk-regional-airports/)

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Already reported within the Cardiff & Newcastle threads.
They operate from May to the end of August. :ok:

[JSCL]

Is there enough demand for Cardiff? Considering TCX are going to be operating also?

[planenut321]

TCX wont be operating at CWL on SFB till 2013.

SFB has always done really well from CWL. Before the downturn CWL had 1 x 330 and 1 x 747 going to SFB each week. :ok:

[runway08]

G-OZBM will also be in the new paint, in decal form by the end of the hanger check. The New purple tail is clear to see in the hanger windows.

Thanks

Departed Luton yesterday morning empty with new c/s

A Butterflys New Paint | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/giancarlodinghile/6493320101)

:ok:

[Topspotter]

Heard cosmos bookings are well up at present, perhaps due to the fallout caused by the uncalled for negative press reporting of TCX problems:sad:

[purplehelmet]

just seen one of the a330s at man in basic monarch colours but with garuda international titles and tail. is this the start or finish of a lease?

[Mr @ Spotty M]

End of Hajj lease, going into MAN MAEL hangar for a "2C" check and application of decals for the new livery.

[purplehelmet]

thank's spotty m, the man in the know as usual :ok:

[allosaurus]

Also on board were two 9foot lizard(dragon?) people.After customs checks for contraband and a night in MAEL,s crewroom in MAN were on their way to new home "darn sarth" under supervision of LGW capt.

[Wardie73]

Monarch image 11 low res | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/71954055@N02/6500599915/in/photostream)

:ok:

G-MAJS & G-EOMA

Monarch image 9 low res | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/71954055@N02/6500601111/in/photostream/)

:D

[Mr @ Spotty M]

A little over the top l thinks, just to rid the a/c and crew room of cockroaches. :E

[allosaurus]

No cockroaches in Man crewroom.Too cold and no food

[MKY661]

A Butterflys New Paint | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/giancarlodinghile/6493320101)

Sad to see the engine isnt fully indigo.

Also does anyone have a complete list of which planes will be next to get decals :) If not that is ok

[Wardie73]

G-MAJS complete. G-EOMA next....

Monarch image 10 low res | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/71954055@N02/6500601437/)

Monarch image 9 low res | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/71954055@N02/6500601111/in/photostream/)

[renort]

Sad to see the engine isnt fully indigo.

thats enough to make you feel sad?

Wardie - in your pics, nice to see that the MAN hangar still sports the Classic livery what, some 8 years after it was changed

the virtual jizzing over some new titles is making this thread rather tedious.
anyone got any opinions on how the airline is actually doing? :ugh:

[Chidken Sangwich]

Renort - my thoughts exactly. Seem's to be nothing but 'spotters corner' regarding decal changes these days and nothing on what's actually happening in the Airline.

Any chance these 'ooh the engine cowl isn't fully painted' type posts can be binned off into the Spotters area?

[MKY661]

the virtual jizzing over some new titles is making this thread rather tedious.
anyone got any opinions on how the airline is actually doing? :ugh:

Renort - my thoughts exactly. Seem's to be nothing but 'spotters corner' regarding decal changes these days and nothing on what's actually happening in the Airline.

Any chance these 'ooh the engine cowl isn't fully painted' type posts can be binned off into the Spotters area?

Would you like me to create a Spotters Forum called 'Monarch New Livery' maybe we can post future messages there i do agree it is a little bit spotty :)

[renort]

Feel free. No offence but its not even a new livery, just a bunch of bigger stickers. If ever there was an airline metaphor for papering over cracks, this is it.

[MANTHRUST]

yes!!!!!!!
Exclamations just to pad out the post
Until I added that explanation
But then I wouldn`t have added that line.
You get your anoraks I`ll get my coat.

[MKY661]

Here we go!
http://www.pprune.org/spectators-balcony-spotters-corner/471640-new-monarch-decals.html#post6899046

Any more news about which planes are getting new decals please post here in the future :) Keeps users who dont want to haer about it happy. :)

[leybht]

Can anyone give me a brief summary of who Monarch's main competitors are at their bases - in particular Manchester and Gatwick?

[Topspotter]

FFS, just look at what lo cost airlines operate from the same bases and on similiar routes and you have your answer.:ugh::ugh:

[leybht]

Sorry topspotter, just thought with the knowledge some of you guys have on here, it might take someone 30 seconds to answer a question that would take me an hour to research.

If that's not how these forums work, then I'm sorry I asked.

[Bealzebub]

Leybht

The main competitors at Manchester are Easyjet, Jet2 and now Ryanair.
At Gatwick it is mainly Easyjet and BA.
Birmingham is Ryanair.

Good luck! ;)

[runway08]

Sorry topspotter, just thought with the knowledge some of you guys have on here, it might take someone 30 seconds to answer a question that would take me an hour to research.

If that's not how these forums work, then I'm sorry I asked.

I think there are some cool people who will help you out. You have to take the negative whiners who will get all pissy and attack you for no reason when they could just skip past your 1 little post but overall you will get your answer as above^.

:ok:

[leybht]

Thanks guys, I appreciate that.

[Benod]

Are Monarch window blinds on every window or just on every other one??

[Airbus321-200]

They are every 2nd or 3rd one.

[monarchnew]

This is my first post so apologies if this shouldn't be in here.

I'm due to start with monarch next year in Birmingham however i've heard from a couple of friends that Monarch are to base 2 aircraft at NCL for the coming summer and operate on behalf of Thomas Cook.

Anyone in the know have any idea if theres any truth in that??

If it was true would Monarch use their own Cabin Crew or would Thomas Cook use their own crew like they did last year when they had Astreaus and Mint airways??

Only asking because NCL would be a lot easier for me to be based at in that I wouldnt have to move down to BHX!:ok:

Thanks folks!

[Mr @ Spotty M]

If a/c are based in NCL for next summer they will only be using Monarch crew.
However l would contact who you have had dealings with so far and point out that if they require crew in NCL it would be better for you.
They may be very accommodating, unless they are going to be using crew from other bases to operate NCL flights.

[MKY661]

They are every 2nd or 3rd one.

Are they in every aircraft yet?

[spottyemm]

A330 is doing some work from NCL next summer and you will be at the end of a very long queue to fly that beast. I'd be surprised if any A320/1 worked from NCL but stranger things have happened. I understand that the summer programme is not yet 'firmed up' so it might be worth emailing the CP letting him know that you would volunteer for NCL if available. As a betting man I'd say that you should be looking for some accommodation in Brum.

See you next year!

[HH6702]

last year the flightdeck with from the airlines (mint and AEU) but i believe most of the cabincrew were TCX staff.
Maybe the head person was from the airline.

If MON have got 2 Aircraft at NCL well done to them...
was talk of 2 x 757's but i dont think MON will have 2 spare 757's for this unless they change a few things around.

[crackling jet]

NCL was one of the three bases mentioned earlier this year for setting up as regional, BRS was another, any news on this, or has CWL managed to bag Monarch as they are doing a series of L/H Florida throughout the season

[Airbus321-200]

NCL is not going to be a base. Maybe the odd charter but crewed from other bases. The only summer base seems to be EDI again.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

The reason for TCX supplying crews for the two B757 last year at NCL, was the a/c were leased to TCX.
If Monarch were to operate two a/c out of NCL and that is a very big "IF", it would unlikely to be a lease, but a series of flights as it used to be previously for TCX out of EDI .