Kenya Airways AB Initio Pilot Recruitment

[Captain GG]

Magnate

Hallo...please forward or kindly list some of those topics likely to be tested during the interview.

[BOLT KIPCHUMBA]

KQ have the habit of keeping information pending, therefore guyz just relax me am so sure we will be invited for the interviews. I can guarantee you that before this month ends, all the shortlisted candidates will have been interviewed. Dont worry about the aptitude stage, the trickiest of them is the second stage after the aptitudes, so just chillax and i wish you the best as you wait for that email. Acheni tension lakini

[Thierry14]

@Aviatorette I think we are the guys who were neglected. Maybe that could be the reason since, I also received that email asking for more personal info n didn't get the invitation email :(

[JBO]

Hi Bolt,

I gather you've already attended the KQ Ab Initio Aptitude test. By what time were you able to finish the test? If I'm there by 7:00, can I possibly live by 10:00?

[kasa]

Just release all those stress coz i even called Pride Centre some days back & they confirmed to me that they usually call guys in groupes,this was even confirmed to me by one of successfull ab initio.still if doubting just check this thread but of 2012,aptitude test was done on different days by different groupes and the invite mails was just like this one of ours coming one by one,so pliz don't give up.:ok:

[BOLT KIPCHUMBA]

Hi JBO!!
for theinterview, you are required to be there by 7, but actually, it takes some time for verification of your certificates, ID number and age before you proceed to the Embakasi Airbase for the interviews. At the Airbase, your heights are measured, and so the aptitude tests officially start at around 10:00 AM, so i don't see you making it for your other interview. However, KQ are usually very considerate and if you tell them early enough that you cant make it, they can put you for an interview with another group. Just write them a mail and ask if they can reschedule it for you coz all i know is that there are other several groups that will have to go through the tests as well. All the best

[nyongesan]

What would be the best reason to them for them to reschedule your interviews?

[marwon]

hey you guy please PM me the HR direct contacts including phone numbers, actually the phone numbers only

[LOPA]

Hey guys,

the Direct entry guys how was your aptitude test today?

Javier, still haven't received a mail from u

The rest, lets meet on 6th for this seasons premier of the "survivor series", winner gets Ksh 7M hole in the pocket :p

Remember the panic code PAM PAM when the emails take too long :eek:

Good luck comrades :ok:

[futurekenyanpilot]

just t bring you up to speed. the loan is 7 m abouts but with delayed interest you will repay 8 years 133000 a month that is 13 million abouts. but all the best

[gear up job]

and more likely the interest rate would be flat compared to Declining Balance compounded @ 19.5% - 38.5%.

But you can't kill a dream or hopes. All the best to those who have cut the mustard!

[Captain GG]

Who knows how much Ab Initio pilot trainees are normally paid during training in SA(stipend)? I will really appreciate your response...

[Aviatorette]

Ladies and gentlemen, see you on Friday. The much awaited email has just checked in......Edwin88, kasa and anyone else that had not yet been contacted, check your emails.

[ChegeAviator]

@Aviatorette. Good for you and anyone else who's received the invitation email. Please confirm that your interview day is Thursday the 6th. You've written Friday. Unless you guys are going in on a different day.

[futurekenyanpilot]

kenya airways ab initios are not paid while training in SA. Its only Kenya airforce ab initios who are paid. KQ will pay you once you are conformed FO.

[Aviatorette]

@chegeaviator The aptitude date is 6th which is on a Thursday.

[Ender2]

Finally the invite has arrived for 6th feb 2014.Now the hard work begins!

[Flier2463]

congratulations people...see you on Thursday. cheers!

[Captain GG]

Thanks a lot for your response!

[Captain GG]

Thank you for the heads up!

[gear up job]

You are LEGEND!

[nickmory]

hi guys,
i received my invitation last night too for the aptitudes on 6th. any advice on preping?? kinda panicking coz ive spent the last year trying to get school out of my system....bad idea!!! Anyone know whats best to revisit(refresh the brain and shake off the cobwebs)

cheers guys and congrats to those who got invited.
those who havent...be patient we waited a long time and the fact that they started inviting people is nothing if not a good sign.

[nickmory]

hi, got my invite last night for tomorrows aptitudes... got any advice to shake off the cobwebs??

cheers

[chrisfuyo]

i still haven't gotten an email. wow!? am i alone here?

[BOLT KIPCHUMBA]

Relax Chris, i told you KQ hupenda story za kutest patience za watu. I have not been contacted as well, but am sure we are going for the interviews next week, just relax

[BOLT KIPCHUMBA]

I f you have been invited for the interview tomorrow, you can speedily read through through the following as they can be of great help.

Aptitude test (go through form 1 and 2 books for the following)


Maths
· Sequences of numbers and patterns
· Closing and opening speeds
· Fractions (largest to smallest and vice versa)
· Algebraic questions
· Factorizing and solving quadratic questions
· Volumes and Areas of all shapes e.g. Cylinders, Cones, spheres




Physics
· Pulleys
· Mechanical reasoning (Google coz it’sa lot)
· Wheels and cogs (big wheels and small wheels, which turns faster and in which direction)
· Springs
· Electricity (voltage formula and other few stuff on electricity.)
· Abit of magnetism but am not sure whether it came
· Force and Moments
· Newton’s Laws of motion
· Reflection and refrection of light e.g. refractive index and the laws. Also dispersion of light ileinaform the colors of the rainbow in order.
· Speed of light is 186000m/s
· Density
· Linear motion e.g. Acceleration, horizontal and vertical projection,the 3 equations

Chemistry
· Chemical bonding
· Periodic table and chemical families
· Hard water and soft water – How to remove hardness
· Acids and bases ya form 1 and 2
· Salts and solubility of salts
· Electrolysis – things to do with the electrolytes mostly
· Balancing several equations
·




Aircraft alttitudes –similar to those in Per A (aircraft banking, climbing or descending at particular. This is one of the trickiest parts, study the different aeroplane avionics and the role that they play, e.g barometer, pitot tube, speed and one compass direction, altitude



The trickiest ni banking, read and have an understanding on how planes bank, angle of banking direction in relation to the bank and also Google how the different avionics can be combined in a picture to achieve desired direction, altitude and speed.


You will be told to interpret how those readings would appear on the instruments if a plane is moving in a certain direction, at certain speed and height.

Also read how to calculate the speed of objects moving towards or away from each other (relative speed). U will be given two planes with different speeds and u are told to determine after how long they will meet.

I wish you all the best people!!! May God heartily bless you and i wish you success. For those who will pass through stage 1, I will be there to help you with the second stage as well.

[edwin88]

hey pals..got my mail yesterday..trying hard now to recall the high school stuff.those who are yet to get the mail,just keep calm and i hope you pray it doesn't come today otherwise you will feel messed up if you haven't been preparing previously.
@Javier,send me the tips also.
@aviatorette,congrats,tomorrow is the day.
@bolt,kasa and the rest,your time is coming guys keep it cool people.

[kasa]

Congrats for your invite,Edwin 88 and Aviatorette.

[mutpeter]

Thanks to all guys here who have really tried to help with all the information we need. I appreciate so much.

Also got my mail late yesterday and it's very tricky trying to revise at the last minute.

I wish all of us the best, including the guys still waiting for the emails. Keep the faith burning.

I am humbled by the encouragement and willingness to help by all the PPRuNers here. God bless you ubundantly.

[nickmory]

@ Bolt and @Javier

cheers for the info, trying to 'rainman' as much as possible

THANKS AND GOD BLESS

To all who are doing the tests tomorrow..success!!

All who are yet to receive their email...never lose hope

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[nyongesan]

Have you done the interviews before? You seem to have so much information about them at stake...

[captain grimz]

thanks ALOT bolt.hope to do the same to the others after me.kudos again

[LOPA]

Thanks Javier & Bolt.

[fredrick asili]

I hope the kind of financial pornography going on here will not affect the integrity of the interview.

Look out tomorrow for that lad/lass who will trot with an envelope laden with a distinct smell of money.

Embrace the lad/lass who will be prowling with a bracelet of passion for the job.

[kasa]

It's 1st officer not 2nd as you indicated and the pay is from 500,000 to 700,000 thanks.

[Mguyz]

At last, I get mine for the 7th. Time to prepare. Anyone in this boat.

[joystic]

Magnate, bolt & hernandez, thank you guys for the helpful info you've shared with us.
For those yet to get the mail, its coming, i got a friend who just received one for friday.
The rest, see you morning, good luck with the revision.

[Aviator David]

Get enough rest and be sure to get there early. Factor in traffic jams.

[mbaranya]

havent gotten any reply.are they still taking in candidates or they have stopped

[nyongesan]

We are in. I had mine postponed to 7th from 6th. See you there. Lets do this thing once and for all...

[chrisfuyo]

for a minute there i thought i was on this raft alone. hope's alive. thanks man.

[captain grimz]

to those goin for tommorow's aptitude emphasis on the last part,be very careful on interpreting the dials n also google enaf of mechanical reasoning and time is a factor so do easy fast trust me it will help u.as for the rest bolt said it all.

[fredrick asili]

Mmmmh. That was quit a day. I really felt good being at the barracks. It was my first time ever. The military environment is completely different from civilian environment.

The height thing was quit heart breaking. Many ladies were turned down for not making the 5' 4" cut.

Some JKUAT guys were turned down for not having their degree certificates.

Just to cut a solid to tomorrows interviewees, take a heavy/good breakfast. Alternatively, there is a cafeteria at Kenya Airways headquaters where you can top up. A lot of time will be spent in document verification.

Today, about 400+ people turned up for the interview. So somebody update us tomorrow so that we can get an approximate number of all applicants.

[Aviatorette]

Hey Fredrick, the 400+ list was combined today and tomorrow and not only today

As for the assessment,whatever has been put here as leakage just take some time and go through it and work on your time....I was one of those people who ran out of time in some instances

For meals, take a heavy breakfast or carry some extra cash to buy some snacks in the KQ cafeteria and if you made any afternoon plans, cancel them! You'll be spending your whole day there.

All in all, success

[mutpeter]

As stated by @ Aviatorette, Grimz & Asili, Today's process was very tiresome. The procedures at KQ & DEFTEC where we did the test are long, for those going tomorrow ,prepare psychologically to spend the whole day.
Make sure you go through basic physics, chemistry and maths as outlined by @ Bolt.
Just a reminder: concetrate, be fast, accurate & calm.
All the best.

[nickmory]

for those going tomorrow.. I would like to stress what the others have said!! trust me the standing around in the heat in line after line takes its toll....so eat a hearty breaky or take a snack(for those so inclined)
about the tests...speed! don't linger. if something stumps you even a little move on. chances are the next is what will save you.

success people.

[Steve Carter]

@Aviorette n Asili how were the exams???

[fredrick asili]

@steve. High school stuff. Are you going tomorrow?


I hope the E-Mails for the next stage interview will start rolling next week or thereabouts.:ok:

[edwin88]

hey people..yesterday was a realy tiring day.the climax was the time we settled for the tests and tension was all but at its ever highest..the matrices part kicked off well, the mathematics part proved somehow normal for the first section but tougher for section two, the general science thing that i cant talk of it, mechanical reasoning quite tricky with time but instrumentation part two killed everything..all i can do is relax and see what kq decides on me.
to bolt..bravo man,what you gave us really helped us..
was checking out around at the barracks to see if i would get to know at-least one guy on this forum..
aviatorette are you a lady.?sorry to ask.

[flaps17]

Aviorette and Asili..someone posted that those without degree certificates were sent back home. My question is what if you have not graduated but the results are out,can the transcript of your last semester suffice as proof of 'graduate-in-waiting'?and they allow you to sit for the exams?

[Aviatorette]

@steve carter, it went well except for abit of amnesia on some high school stuff and the flight bit . @eric88, yes i'm a lady :)

[nickmory]

hey, anyone know the name of the guy who was checking our certs yesterday?

[ChegeAviator]

I can't really complain about yesterday. Yes, they kept us waiting for a really long time, but the Warrant Officer who was invigilating our room said he had never seen such a huge group in one day, so there were a few logistical issues that had to be sorted out last minute. My pal who was in a different room said that one person missed a paper because they weren't enough. This may have something to do with the fact that KQ didn't do any graduate recruitment last year and most of us who applied between March and December were called on one day. I'd hazard that we were about 300-350 yesterday and I talked to a pal who'd been called in for today's interview at around 9:20am and he said by the time verification of documents was ending, there were about 40 candidates. So in total we may be about 400, plus or minus a few.

As for the papers, I wasn't able to finish part 2 of Maths and the old chemical terms they used in the Chemistry section of the General Science paper left me blank. I can't complain about the rest of the sections.

The group I was in came out first so some of us stayed and had a chat with the guy who was returning our certificates as we waited for the rest. Well, as like every KQ employee, he swore by how free and transparent the ab initio recruitment process is and urged us not to be cheated otherwise. He gave us stories of high power individuals who tried to influence the system for their kids to no avail. He also said that KQ doesn't have a cut off number for the number of cadets that take to SA but the number is usually low because those are the ones that pass the selection processes. He said they (KQ) are praying for a miracle that as many as possible pass because they are critically short staffed. I asked him if hypothetically 100 people passed all stages, whether they would be taken and his response was that that was a miracle that they have been praying for for the longest time! Basically his explanation was that they receive the results from the outsourced testing agencies and those who've passed, proceed and those who've not don't. He insisted that KQ has nothing to do with selection until the last oral interview.

So ladies and gents, with this sort of encouraging news, let's all bring our A game to the remaining stages.

[ChegeAviator]

I wouldn't say it was a breeze because some of the orientations were just straight confusing, they required some serious 3D thinking but I managed to get to 69 out of the 75 without skipping any and those I answered I was confident of their correctness. I'm just hoping for the best...

[captain grimz]

me that part b of instrumentation was quite something..kwanza banking left is right and vice versa.can't call my certainty there.chem was quite interesting but atleast there u sure of yourself.its either u know or don't no second guesing

[Alphatangotango]

LOPA is right, you first become a 2nd officer then after checkout you become a 1st officer

[Alphatangotango]

He is called Aziz, he is an HR officer

[ThatUglyKid]

I can see I'm not the only one who had trouble with the chemistry!

Feels encouraging knowing that KQ are willing to take a high number of applicants who pass through all stages. I wish you the best ladies and gents, let's hope we can make it :ok:

[Alphatangotango]

KQ uses an obsolete, archaic method to recruit pilots and this why it is forever short of them!
They rely on DEFTEC to administer tests that even the RAF no longer uses! For some strange reason KQ has refused to adopt modern recruitment methods despite the fact that they have a modern training centre! You can't do the same thing over and again and expect different results, its outright ridiculous!
I sat my KCSE in 18 years ago, how on God's good earth would I remember how to solve quadratic equations or balance a chemical equation, how relevant is it to flying?!
So long as KQ stubbornly sticks to this mode of recruitment they will NEVER get the numbers they want! It's time KALPA addressed this issue seriously! :=

[LOPA]

Aptitude done, next psychometric, the wait for that email begins. Atleast today the process was much more time efficient than yesterday

[nickmory]

@ATT, thanks for the info on the hr guy, Aziz. i need to send my kcse cert, he was adamant and downright threatening about it. n BTW your so right, they lose so many people who probably would have made great pilots too early, not even giving them the chance to prove themselves. I heard that not even all who go to SA complete the program...they need to change.

[Captain Doc1]

KQ is just so messed up. Clearly we all applied in time and met all requirements regardless of whether 1000000 folks applied prudence dictates that you schedule interviews in batches to even get a greater pool to choose from. Else, send a regret email to all those you overlooked! Anyway, for those like me still kept on the waiting bay, check your application on the irecruitment portal, as long as its active you are probably going to get that invite, if not then move on to other things. I am going to fly a plane whether or not KQ recruit me,its only that this is an option I don't have the luxury to overlook. If you really want to fly then don't let KQ stop you.

[nyash]

Hey guys!Who applied March and has not yet been invited for the interview:ugh:

[chrisfuyo]

i applied in march bro. still sitting duck

[gear up job]

Hi Lads,

I couldn't agree more with you guys. K.A needs to bring it's self into speed with other airlines who have embraced modern recruitment methods. They have a very good ambition plan but unless management starts looking at their recruitment methods ASAP, they will lack behind for a good time. No wonder as what ChegeAviator said "they are hoping for a miracle in their numbers"

The Direct Entry Candidates (DEC) for K.A pilots it's even more ridiculous! Like there is no difference between the DEC and AB Initio in terms of the recruitment process yet one already holds a commercial license.

[irealest]

I'm still waiting but I plan on resuming my CPL this summer. I'd assume KQ would want to train pilots currently in training if possible as it would be able to put pilots in the flight deck sooner, as they also train cadets. I'd assume if the need is that dire, then it would be something they would look into.

[chrisfuyo]

has anyone gotten any invitation for this coming week?

[nyongesan]

Apologies, but I would think that you are overage. The age limit is in the bracket of 18 and 28, or rather [18,28), if you recall Basic Mathematics. We were once invited for the interviews last February 2013, before they revised the requirements, and to our surprise, all those who had hit 24 yrs and above where freezed out as the rest proceeded to the millitary enviroment. We were about 10 to 15 in number if I could recal. We wondered why they had invited us in the first place. They accepted that the mistake was on their part, and made chains of aplologies which did us no good. They however gave us a consolation that they will review the requirements, and supposedly raise the upper age limit to 28yrs, which would again give us a chance to reapply. True to their word, they did. So for those who have hit 28 yrs, aplologies, but am afraid they wont let you in...

[LOPA]

Kenya Airways approximates if you will have turned 28 by the time you commence training, if so you are left out. Therefore if you are 28 or almost turning 28 that might be the reason you were not called in (my thinking).

In the list I saw I was already listed as 26 years of age yet I'm still 25, and even last year they turned away those whose were 24 yet the advert read 18-24

[nyongesan]

That would make sense on your side. But on the other hand, am opted to think the age limit comes into consideration as of the time you invited for the the first interview(from my experience)

[LOPA]

Nyongesan, last year I was called in for the 22nd February interview but was turned away as the HR explained "you'll be 25 when the training begins".

I've also noted that among my friends who applied for ab initio, those who are 27 (turning 28 this year) we're not called for the interviews yet they qualify in all aspects

[fredrick asili]

I guess the 28year limit is some sort of an affirmative action. Remember people from remote/hardship areas in Kenya have poor access to education facilities. The result is that people in such areas take long to wade through to university. By the time they graduate, they are in their late twenties.

If you aren't from a hardship area, don't rely on that upper limit- ni mlango wazi.:uhoh: Most companies will take young people as trainess since they still have the energy and little social responsibilities.

[Captain GG]

Hey Guys!
You've been kinda quiet. I wish you all the best!

[mutpeter]

People have literally gone quiet here. I guess it's because of the challenge of last week's aptitude & the anxiety of waiting for the psychometric invite.

Anyway guys, cheer up & focus on what may be coming. Lets share whatever information we may have for now, it really helps in many ways.

Does anybody has any idea when the psychometric interview may start?

All the best to you all.

[Aviatorette]

Today I paid a visit to the direct entry guys discussion board and i saw someone had posted that the psychometric tests would be conducted on 18/19. I dont know who his sources are but if that is true, then we should be receiving emails this week.

[Ace KJay]

Seriously that last week's aptitude just gave me the hibby jibbies, but i still hope for the best. I never knew science, which i think was not that bad in terms of the questions they asked but with regard to time, it's just giving me butterflies.

[nickmory]

hi guys, does anyone know what happened to the ones who were set aside during height measurement? were they sent away..?
Also, any ball park on how many guys actually took the Aptitudes?

[MissQueen]

If am not wrong from the last replies looks like the interviewing process is on going. congrats to those who made it:D. Would like to apply for the 2015 intake, when does the invitation to apply likely to appear?:rolleyes:

[nickmory]

probably around march. last years application period was march - dec. n btw they are so strict about the minimum requirements so first check to make sure you have all of them covered

[LOPA]

All the other aircraft types have enough 1st Officer, the shortage currently is:

767s need 4 FOs
Embraer jets need 12 FOs

But considering they are increasing the size of their fleet, demand for FOs is already on the increase.

Therefore the future seems bright for young bloods :ok:

And where at thou thee precious psychometric emails :sad:

[ChegeAviator]

Lopa you're right about the shortage. I read in the Business Daily back in 2011 that KQ were predicting a shortage of about 300 pilots come 2014 and during the chat some of us were having with the guy who was giving us back our certificates, he explained that 1 Embraer needs 16 pilots to run ideally and they're nowhere near that number. He also said that the 777s that run the long haul routes such as Guangzhou need to fly with 4 flight deck crew members i.e. 2 captains and 2 first officers, one crew being the relief crew, but at the moment, they're flying with 3 flight deck crew because they just don't have the staff!

It's now 2014 and the Business Daily prediction may be coming true. This is great news for us who aspire to fly for our national carrier. Remember he also advised that they would love to take as many applicants as possible for training but unfortunately most don't pass the testing stages. So ladies and gents, as we eagerly await the next invitation email, let's prepare ourselves to bring our A game to those tests because clearly, the vacancies are there.

[odericko2000]

No shortage of FO's on the 767, as a matter of fact they are all scheduled to retire by Nov. this year. The numbers on the Narrow body however, are pretty dynamic, and i highly doubt if the E jet shortage on the right side is only 12. The E jet and 737 are currently feeding the 787 and 777 with FO's, as the senior FO's on the 767 and 777 transition to the narrow body for command. so naturally the numbers have to be replenished.

An educated guess from my side would be a requirement of about 70 new FO's on the narrow body this year. Six 787 being delivered this year and being crewed almost entirely from the 737, and two more 77W also to arrive this year, plus about 15 FO's upgrading to the left side from the 777. Normal crew requirements as per the company is about 8 FO's per aircraft, and we are looking at 8 new Aircrafts this year on the higher fleet plus a couple of upgrades.

Point to note though, this requirements will be met by both AB initio cadets and direct entry pilots.

All the best to everyone going through the interviews at present.

[fredrick asili]

odericko2000. I'll take what you said as reliable information since you are a field player in aviation.

Some days back I bumped into that KQ expat thread. A poster called V10tail and yourself came in to defend kenyans. Thats a good thing particularly to the youth. Ab Initio is still alive because of such efforts from Kenyan pilots.

[LOPA]

The numbers I gave were actual data from KQ mid last year before acquisition of 2 E-jets FFJ & FFK and 777-300 KZZ. three 767s are going back replaced by 9 new crafts, with another 3-4 737s going to Jambojet. Therefore the numbers dont change much this year

[odericko2000]

LOPA,

They do change, as i am aware, no first officer is moving from the 767 to the 787, all the FO's to the 787 will come from the 737, looking at 6 of the 78's arriving this year and a fleet requirement of 8 FO's per aircraft, you are already looking at 48 people moving from the narrow body to the wide body, they have to be replaced, don't they? Then there are the senior Embraer FO's who are moving straight to the 777, and there's two more 77W arriving this year, the numbers you are talking about are not taking all this movements into consideration.
Someones got to keep the E jet and the 737 fleet flying. Mark you, despite the moving of the 73 classics to Jambo jet, the union has insisted their crewing has to be with KQ pilots.

[LOPA]

If that's the case, JJ operating with KQ crew, then the shortage might actually come close to 48/50 (the current 16 shortage plus the 48 for new crafts minus the 3 767s crew shifting).

Also consider there are atleast 2 SO groups(approx 14) that will check out sometime this year. But these are just my estimates

[capskiper]

they were sent home..:uhoh::uhoh:

[capskiper]

who knows about the date of the next test

[gear up job]

So if all the senior FO's on the 767 and 777 transition to the narrow body for command, what will happen to 767 skippers?

Other than the 6 78's and 2 77W arriving this year, wasn't K.A meant to receive 2 more EMB190 this yr?

The numbers don't add up according to me. If 1 aircraft needs 8 FO's and 8 Skippers then that's 16 drivers per 1 a/c. Already K.A is struggling with getting enough skippers hence K.A having a few expatriates. Assuming retirement, attrition rate and expiring of expatriates contracts shouldn't the numbers be higher?

[flaps17]

Probably you guys have already seen this but for those who haven't, KQ 2 have been admitted to AIFA (i think those are the guys who were asked whether they are still interested in the process.). I hope many groups will be taken this year in quick succession as was the case in 2011.

[Captain GG]

Has anyone contacted the HR department to find out when the next interview will be....?

[odericko2000]

Gear up job

remember i said only FO's were moving from the 737 to the 787, the left seat will be crewed by the 767 Skippers.

KQ management is playing politics, that is why they are having expat Captains right now. You tell me the rationale of bringing in expats while you have over 40 F.O's who have met the upgrade requirements and are stuck on the higher fleet waiting for their promotion. As things stand currently i just don't see that huge shortage on the left that everyone keeps yelling about. What about the Kenyan skippers who were rendered jobless when jet link folded, are they not good enough for KQ Ejets, what about 540 pilots struggling to get into KQ and not even being given as much as a glance. If you are holding a Kenyan passport and you are jobless right now, its probably because of all these shenanigans by the Management.

If K.Q highers from within, it also creates employment out of K.Q and creates a more vibrant pool of pilots to pick from in the future. Anyway i digress, sorry. The fact is a lot of movement should be on the right side, as mentioned earlier all 767 F.O's are moving to the E. jet on the left, that is about 40 of them waiting at present. No new Embraers this year, there are already a total of 20 E190's which was the target anyway, and 5 E170's which will soon be faced out. Two 738's to be delivered next year, creating more need on the Narrow body.

[fredrick asili]

CaptainGG. I doubt if its right to call the HR. Lets give them time. Most likely the airforce has handed over the results to KQ. Calling the HR makes one look like forcing self to KQ system.

Or who wanna be a guinea pig and do me a favor by calling the HR?

[irealest]

I have a friend who's FO on the Embraer who is training in London to fly the 787.

[gear up job]

odericko2000

I think chances of winning a lottery are higher than being employed by K.A. Am sure management knows all these things but they are playing ball. Do you reckon KCAA will grant fastjet license to start operating from Kenya? I reckon they would be a remedy for K.A....:ok:

irealest

You sure about your friend training on the 787? As odericko2000 mentioned above, all current FO's on 737 will be moving to 787.

[Brainiarc7]

Any communication from KQ so far?

[rookAviator]

The mails have started flowing in, am yet to receive mine. Crossing even my toes, good luck to all who will have made the cut through the aptitudes.

[rookAviator]

Yes, I have been informed by a reliable source that two guys have already received call up emails for psychometric tests. These guys were on the Friday 07/02 shift. Good luck to the rest of us waiting the magical mail.

[Alphatangotango]

DEP applicants already have invitations to do psychometric on 18th

[captain grimz]

@alphatango do you know anyone going for the test

[Alphatangotango]

Psychometric 18-19th feb, psychomotor 24th feb. Successful candidates will get their appointment letters by 1st april or thereabout.

[captain grimz]

where did u get this information

[Alphatangotango]

Yes, he did his aptitude on the 4th, doing psychometric on the 18th

[joystic]

A friend of mine has received an email inviting him for the psychometric tests on 19th.
Who else has gotten that mail?
Its ab initio.

[joystic]

A friend of mine has received an email inviting him for the psychometric tests on 19th.
Who else has gotten that mail?
Its ab initio.

[Alphatangotango]

from the source

[nickmory]

hi guys, also got mine for 19th.
who else has?

[ThatUglyKid]

Also in for the 19th...

[Alphatangotango]

If you aced the aptitude you are almost in, unless medicals knocks you out

[nickmory]

hey ATT, how many more tests do they give? apart from the appt, psychometric and medicals?

[captain grimz]

what time did u receive the mail and what time is the interview

[closet24]

question: these guys receiving mail for test dates when did they apply???

[Brainiarc7]

Still waiting for that email...

[nickmory]

got my mail today at around midday. tests scheduled for 19 th at 12:30

[Brainiarc7]

Thanks, cap.

[captain grimz]

@thatugly kid am assuming you also received it at noon ama

[Brainiarc7]

Hello guys,

To these guys called in for the Aptitude tests on February 5th (Wednesday group), when did you get your emails?

Test: If you got your emails on or before January 31st for the interview invite for 5th, then it logically follows that other groups will be called in at a similar fashion.

I'm aware that Psychometric are to be done on the 19th/20th, and that the groups are split up, so if you didn't get your email today, check in tomorrow for the invite on the 20th..

-Brainiarc7

[captain grimz]

@brainiarc are u DEP or ab-initio

[Brainiarc7]

I'm an Ab Initio, not DEP.

[ThatUglyKid]

@captain grimz I got my email at 10am today, I guess by tomorrow more people should receive their invites

[ThatUglyKid]

Just to add on...

I've noticed nickmory is scheduled for 19th from 12.30 while my invite states that it starts at 7.30 and should be done by 12.30. Which means there'll be 2 groups on Wednesday.

[captain grimz]

@thatuglykid when did u take the aptitude

[ThatUglyKid]

@captain grimz did aptitude on the 6th...when did you do yours?

[Flier2463]

19th at 7:30, done by 12:30. all the best people!

[Captain GG]

Hellooo....If more guys are to do psychometrics on the 20th, that means that more emails will trickle in tomorrow right? Anyone else out there who'se got more info on this, please share to keep hope alive for the guys still waiting.

All the best to ya;all!

[Brainiarc7]

Maybe they send their emails in batches.
Listings sorted in Alphabetical order, or even, the AB internal names you were given. This could take a while. This also explains the ranking they used when they called up guys for the height measurements.

There was one group on 6th that had to do the papers much later than the rest since DEFTEC had resources to cater for a lesser number than the one that reported. That group was almost turned back, and it took the intervention of the captain in charge to sort everyone out.

If you were in that group, and you have your email, let us know.
If you were in that group and have not received your email yet, have hope.
They may be on the way.

:hmm::hmm::):):ok:

[rookAviator]

@Brainiarc7

I was in the group that almost got turned away on 6th (we finished the aptitudes at about 6pm). A friend of mine we were together in that group received his mail today, 10.00 AM. Personally I haven't received :(.. Let's hope that their is another batch scheduled for tomorrow, otherwise for the unlucky us, let's find the another alternative to hit the skies

[MECHENGINEER]

How much do ab initio pilot trainees earn while in SA and how much do they earn thereafter?

[Brainiarc7]

@rookAviator,

What rank were you when we were having our heights taken?
If you were among the last people, then the batch email mode based on alphabetic order makes sense.

I was among the very last people to have our heights taken.

[Brainiarc7]

@MECHENGINEER,

Previous posts on the forum point to about 1500 rand (Approx 12k) per month.

[Brainiarc7]

Its' part of your loan from KQ.

[rookAviator]

@Brainiarc

I was too almost the last, maybe among the last 20.

[Brainiarc7]

By the way, does KQ email people who fail at any stage of the process, or are they left out in the dark?

[Aerodrifter]

@Brainiarc7, I hear that most are left out in the cold :-C

[Brainiarc7]

@rookAviator,

What initials and letters do your surnames start with?
I'm at M.
I know two friends personally who got their invite for the afternoon . Surnames starting with K and H. Scheduled for the afternoon session on 19th.

I'd say, let's be patient. They are on their way.

[nyongesan]

Lets just be patient, "tujaribu tu kujaribu kutulia...", neither have I received any invitation for the Psychometric test, but we still leave it open, and in case we miss out, the thing is, we can not all be pilots, we might as well be passengers!:hmm:

[rookAviator]

Brainiarc7,

My first is K, second M, and surname N. Hopes keep fading with the passing hour, but the spirit keeps burning.

nyongesan, very true. For those of us who will be unsuccessful, we will be the employers, paying for their bills like bausses! :ok:

[Brainiarc7]

What does your surname start with?

I'll alert you when I receive my invitation. Having two groups do a Psychometric on one day is rare.

[KenAviator]

Has anyone received any regret mail?:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(

[Brainiarc7]

No, not yet, Ken.
Have you?

If so, paste its' contents here.

[KenAviator]

Brian
Not yet received any. But i doubt at this point if there will be any communication from them. There's no interview on 20th. All successful candidates have been contacted and their interview is tomorrow.

[LOPA]

from experience they only send regret mail if you've reached the medical/oral stage

[Brainiarc7]

@LOPA have you ever been turned away?
Also, for these who have not been called, what are your surnames?
I have another friend, surname starts with M, no email yet.
I have a feeling this is alphabetical.

I'm telling you, this waiting game needs patience.

[ThatUglyKid]

Just received an email saying that the psychometric has been rescheduled to 25th

[Brainiarc7]

Hello people,

I just received an email inviting me for the psychometric test on the 25th.

Woo hoo!

Check inboxes, people!!:D:O

[nickmory]

@Brainiarc7 @That uglykid,

thats interesting coz i just received a call asking that i confirm attendance tomorrow at 12:30 and whether i know where the pride centre is..

anyone else get such a call??

[ThatUglyKid]

@nickmory

Initially I was in the first group to commence at 7.30am and finish by 12.30pm, anyone else who was to report on 19th at 7.30 and has been rescheduled to 25th?

[Dopeboy]

Got an invite for psychometric on 25th 7.30am. Anyone else on the 25th?

[Aviatorette]

Just received an email inviting me for the test on 25th, never been happy

[LOPA]

Yap, did the interviews back in '06 to medical/orals stage and got a regret letter 2 months later.

All the best guys in psychometric, lets meet tomorrow

[nickmory]

@ThatUglyKid
oh, so i guess they have rescheduled the earlier group but left the 12:30 one. at what time are you scheduled to arrive on the 25th

[ThatUglyKid]

@nickmory, still at 7.30am on 25th.

@Aviatorette congrats, what time on 25th?

[mutpeter]

Also receive an invite for 25th at 7.30. Thanks be to God. Those waiting, kindly don't give up yet.

Please people, don't post speculations here. They can cause some of us untold agony. Only post what you are very sure of.

Out of curiosity, what do we expect to be tested on for the psychometric? Only reliable & true information please.

ALL THE BEST TO THE GUYS DOING PSYCHOMETRIC TOMMORROW!!!!

[Dopeboy]

Just got mail. 25th it is. 7.30am. Clearly those mails are sent in batches

[rookAviator]

Hello. I have given up the hope of getting an invite, but since this is the forum that I have been able to vent and keep hopes alive, I wish you all the best. One thing, when you all become FO's and later Captains, remember RookAviator. Here's what I had in preparation for the test, since I haven't been invited, no need of sitting on it. All the best, PPRuNers :ok:

PSYCHOMETRIC TEST
Abstract reasoning
• General Abilities: Verbal, Numerical & Perceptual aptitudes (Intellectual talents).
• Practicality: Spatial and Mechanical aptitudes.
• Planning style.
• General work approach an5d preferred learning style.
• Basic Personality Structure:
o Awareness & Flexibility.
o Commitment & Confidence.
o Team & leadership style.
• Dexterity: Manual speed & skill.
Format
The assessment consists of three answer sheets and two answer booklets, together taking over 3 hours to complete. There is a time limit for each section, after which no more details may be entered into that section. The questions are found in reusable books, apart from where answer booklets are used in place.
General Ability
This is answered into answer sheets 1 and 2.
Abstract Reasoning
This area involves the completion of a chain of beads, found in a pattern, varying in colour, shape and size. After a continuation of the pattern of at least 10 beads, the client is required to mark the following two beads in accordance with the pattern, from a choice of 8 beads.
There are 60 questions given in this section, with a time limit of 30 minutes.
Verbal Part 1
This area involves the client to find two words from a list of 6, that do not fit in with the remaining 4. For example, a client may be given the following words:
Breakfast, hammer, dinner, blue, lunch, tea.
The client must then choose two words which do not fit with the other 4. These are: Hammer and Blue. The rest are all times to have meals.
There are 30 questions in this section, with a time limit of ≈5 minutes.
Verbal Part 2
This area involves the client to find a link between two words, from a pair of words. The client is given a choice of 6 words, split into 2 sections. From this, a pair of words must be formed, with a similar link to that of the given pair.
There are 30 questions in this section, with a time limit of ≈8 minutes.
Numerical Part 1
This area involves the client to complete the sequence of numbers, containing 2 consecutive gap in between. The client has a choice of 3 possible answers for each gap.
There are 32 questions in this section, with a time limit of ?? minutes.
Numerical Part 2
This area involves the client to complete the missing number, shown in the bottom right corner of a 3 by 3 square of numbers. There are 6 possible answers to choose from.
There are 32 questions in this section, with a time limit of ?? minutes.
Perceptual Part 1
This area involves the client to find the two figures, from a list of 6, which do not belong with the others which, are linked together.
There are 30 questions in this section, with a time limit of ≈10 minutes.
Perceptual Part 2
This area involves the client to find two shapes which are linked with each other, in a similar way to the pair of shapes given for each question.
There are 30 questions in this section, with a time limit of ≈10 minutes.
Spatial and Mechanical
This is answered into answer sheet 3.
Spatial
This area involves the client to decide which of the three shapes given have been flipped over, and are different compared to the remaining two shapes.
There are around 60 questions in this section, with a time limit of 5 minutes.
Mechanical
This area involves the client to decide what will occur in a situation, using their mechanical ability. For example, Which wheel will turn the fastest?
There are 40 questions in this section, with a time limit of 10 minutes.
Similar or different
This section is answered into the first answer booklet.
This area involves the client to compare two items which have some similarity: a number, a line of text or a shape. The client then has around a minute per item, to tell whether 2 example of these items are similar or different from each other.
For example: 45566 is similar to 45566 while Mr. Williams is different from Mr. Walliams. This may look easy, though when put under a short time limit and pressure, mistakes will occur.
Section 2
This is the name of final paper, answered into the second answer booklet.
Part 1
This area involves the client to write 4 different symbols - S, a reversed S (a curved Z will be used for demonstration purposes), a ɤ and an inverted ɤ (an e will be used for demonstration purposes).
The following patterns which the client must write are:
• S - e.g. S S S S
• A reversed S - e.g. Z Z Z Z
• S and 'Z' alternating - e.g. S Z S Z
• ɤ - e.g. ɤ ɤ ɤ ɤ
• 'e' - e.g. e e e e
• ɤ and 'e' alternating - e.g. ɤ e ɤ e
This is to be done for a length of 5 seconds. Once this has been done, the time limit is increased to 10 seconds and 20 seconds.
Part 2
This area involves the client to fill in two letters, making a word. There are many middle two words which may only be used once in total.
For example: _AR_. An example of a word that can be made is CARD
There is a time limit of 2 minutes to make as many of these words as possible.
Part 3
This area involves the client to think of as many objects which conform to a certain description. Due to the nature of the tests, it is not possible to reveal what these descriptions are. However, an example will be given:
Name as many objects which are made of glass. (Mirror, window, etc.)
In total, there are three descriptions, each with a ≈45 second time limit.
Part 4
This area involves the client to create a picture from a series of lines. They must then reveal what is beneath.
There is a time limit of 2 minutes for this section.
Part 5
This area involves the client to form as many '.' as possible. This is similar to an American Three Pin Plug design. The client has 45 seconds in which to do this.
Part 6
This final area involves the client to draw a line, from one end to another through a gap between two lines, without touching them. These gaps gradually decrease in thickness. The strong hand is used first, followed by the weaker hand. A time limit of 45 seconds is given for each hand.

[Captain GG]

Mine is on 4th March...anyone else reporting on the said date? For those still waiting, don't give up!

[joystic]

Finally that long awaited mail has just arrived, my test is on 4th March, guess i was the last one one the list with a Y surname.
Phew the wait between yesterday and today was tormenting!
Good luck everyone

[rookAviator]

We are pleased to invite you for an interview (Psychometric test) which will take place at the Kenya Airways Pride centre Old Airport Road on 25th February 2014 at 12.30 pm.

Yeeeeeeehuuuuu!;):D:O:ok:

[Aviatorette]

@thatuglykid, I'm going in at 7:30 am
Congrats to all who have received an email. For those who haven't don't give up hope.

[Aviatorette]

Why are we being asked to carry along our degree/kcse certificates to the tests once more yet they had them for a whole day during aptitudes? To those guys who went in for their tests today (Direct entry guys).........were your certificates scrutinised today or did they just edit the previous email and forgot to delete the bring your cerificates part?

[rookAviator]

Mine came through the "promotions" inbox, not the main inbox. Am on gmail, so check even the spam folder for other mail clients. You never know where that mail is hiding.

As Aviorrete says, don't give up, do not surrender! Until they call people for medicals/psychomotor (whichever comes first)

[nickmory]

@ aviatorette,

been wondering the same thing....I hope they won't check them again coz that was one very looooong day!!

[KenAviator]

Mine came through an hour ago. 25th it is. Thank God :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[Brainiarc7]

Seems I was right about the alphabetic ranking.

Guys, lets meet in the sky soon. I feel that many will be taken this year to SA.
Pilots, arise! Be strong! And NEVER give up. Lets' surprise them by acing these tests and going as KQ's best team ever to SA.

Remember, even if you pass these tests, and go to SA, the journey has just began. It only gets harder from here. Watch over your brothers, these are your team mates. Guard them, and make sure you partner up. This is not a place for solo ninjas and ninjettes. Work as a team, and excel together.

Swear to each other, that should we make it to SA, you will all return, having excelled. Okay?

[LOPA]

Tomorrow (19th group) let your left fingers do the walking :-)

Last group stage, full throttle, attain that rotation speed if you are to take-off and fly

[Dexman72]

Hey, future flight crew.

I wish you all the best in this recruitment process.

[rookAviator]

I had posted this earlier, it never appeared on the thread. Rock yourselves guys. Like @brainiarc7 says, teamwork.. Kindly also, for those going tomorrow, confirm if this outline is credible

PSYCHOMETRIC TEST
Abstract reasoning
• General Abilities: Verbal, Numerical & Perceptual aptitudes (Intellectual talents).
• Practicality: Spatial and Mechanical aptitudes.
• Planning style.
• General work approach an5d preferred learning style.
• Basic Personality Structure:
o Awareness & Flexibility.
o Commitment & Confidence.
o Team & leadership style.
• Dexterity: Manual speed & skill.
Format
The assessment consists of three answer sheets and two answer booklets, together taking over 3 hours to complete. There is a time limit for each section, after which no more details may be entered into that section. The questions are found in reusable books, apart from where answer booklets are used in place.
General Ability
This is answered into answer sheets 1 and 2.
Abstract Reasoning
This area involves the completion of a chain of beads, found in a pattern, varying in colour, shape and size. After a continuation of the pattern of at least 10 beads, the client is required to mark the following two beads in accordance with the pattern, from a choice of 8 beads.
There are 60 questions given in this section, with a time limit of 30 minutes.
Verbal Part 1
This area involves the client to find two words from a list of 6, that do not fit in with the remaining 4. For example, a client may be given the following words:
Breakfast, hammer, dinner, blue, lunch, tea.
The client must then choose two words which do not fit with the other 4. These are: Hammer and Blue. The rest are all times to have meals.
There are 30 questions in this section, with a time limit of ≈5 minutes.
Verbal Part 2
This area involves the client to find a link between two words, from a pair of words. The client is given a choice of 6 words, split into 2 sections. From this, a pair of words must be formed, with a similar link to that of the given pair.
There are 30 questions in this section, with a time limit of ≈8 minutes.
Numerical Part 1
This area involves the client to complete the sequence of numbers, containing 2 consecutive gap in between. The client has a choice of 3 possible answers for each gap.
There are 32 questions in this section, with a time limit of ?? minutes.
Numerical Part 2
This area involves the client to complete the missing number, shown in the bottom right corner of a 3 by 3 square of numbers. There are 6 possible answers to choose from.
There are 32 questions in this section, with a time limit of ?? minutes.
Perceptual Part 1
This area involves the client to find the two figures, from a list of 6, which do not belong with the others which, are linked together.
There are 30 questions in this section, with a time limit of ≈10 minutes.
Perceptual Part 2
This area involves the client to find two shapes which are linked with each other, in a similar way to the pair of shapes given for each question.
There are 30 questions in this section, with a time limit of ≈10 minutes.
Spatial and Mechanical
This is answered into answer sheet 3.
Spatial
This area involves the client to decide which of the three shapes given have been flipped over, and are different compared to the remaining two shapes.
There are around 60 questions in this section, with a time limit of 5 minutes.
Mechanical
This area involves the client to decide what will occur in a situation, using their mechanical ability. For example, Which wheel will turn the fastest?
There are 40 questions in this section, with a time limit of 10 minutes.
Similar or different
This section is answered into the first answer booklet.
This area involves the client to compare two items which have some similarity: a number, a line of text or a shape. The client then has around a minute per item, to tell whether 2 example of these items are similar or different from each other.
For example: 45566 is similar to 45566 while Mr. Williams is different from Mr. Walliams. This may look easy, though when put under a short time limit and pressure, mistakes will occur.
Section 2
This is the name of final paper, answered into the second answer booklet.
Part 1
This area involves the client to write 4 different symbols - S, a reversed S (a curved Z will be used for demonstration purposes), a ɤ and an inverted ɤ (an e will be used for demonstration purposes).
The following patterns which the client must write are:
• S - e.g. S S S S
• A reversed S - e.g. Z Z Z Z
• S and 'Z' alternating - e.g. S Z S Z
• ɤ - e.g. ɤ ɤ ɤ ɤ
• 'e' - e.g. e e e e
• ɤ and 'e' alternating - e.g. ɤ e ɤ e
This is to be done for a length of 5 seconds. Once this has been done, the time limit is increased to 10 seconds and 20 seconds.
Part 2
This area involves the client to fill in two letters, making a word. There are many middle two words which may only be used once in total.
For example: _AR_. An example of a word that can be made is CARD
There is a time limit of 2 minutes to make as many of these words as possible.
Part 3
This area involves the client to think of as many objects which conform to a certain description. Due to the nature of the tests, it is not possible to reveal what these descriptions are. However, an example will be given:
Name as many objects which are made of glass. (Mirror, window, etc.)
In total, there are three descriptions, each with a ≈45 second time limit.
Part 4
This area involves the client to create a picture from a series of lines. They must then reveal what is beneath.
There is a time limit of 2 minutes for this section.
Part 5
This area involves the client to form as many '.' as possible. This is similar to an American Three Pin Plug design. The client has 45 seconds in which to do this.
Part 6
This final area involves the client to draw a line, from one end to another through a gap between two lines, without touching them. These gaps gradually decrease in thickness. The strong hand is used first, followed by the weaker hand. A time limit of 45 seconds is given for each hand.

[ChegeAviator]

Hey guys. Got my invite for the 25th at 7:30am. All the best guys!

[mutpeter]

@Aviatorette, I think they just need the documents to cross check our recorded information.

@Brainiarc7, you said it well, teamwork and supporting each other is the way to go. Lets focus as a team.

@rookAviator, many many thanks for sharing pschometric information. Am sure we all need it, more so psychologically.

[nickmory]

hi guys, is the Kq pride centre the same place as the headquarters(where we reported to for the aptitudes)?

[edwin88]

Hey buddies..who else is patiently waiting for that psychometric mail like me? KQ is going to cause me health problems if this goes on.. Just guessing if its still coming or i messed up at the aptituds and fell by the way side

[Aerodrifter]

The long-awaited e-mail got to me y/day at arnd 1730hrs. :-)

@Brainiarc7, I concur with you: we are comrades & let's keep the camaraderié.

@rookAviator, hats off; thumbs up to you!
I am grateful for ur invaluable sharing of the format.

Fellow PPRuNers & especially those who were sitting the psych test today, confirm or contravene the format & contents of the psych test.

All the very BEST to ONE & ALL!

[SkyChaser7]

You are right @edwin88 the wait must be one of the most sickening things...!!! I feel sick.. :* but I am still hopefully waiting...To all of you who have your invites...Congrats..!!

[Brainiarc7]

Hey @edwin what's your surname?
What letter does it begin with?

[Dexman72]

Pride center is not the same place as HQs. Pride center is on the opposite side of the road near Utawala primary sch. Try google map the place...

[edwin88]

Mine is m,,i guess i may be out though still have some hope.

[Brainiarc7]

Hello,

If you are a Gmail user, take note of that funny "Promotions" folder. Search for your email there, it may not go to inbox directly.

Take note. Oh, and spam mail too.

[nyongesan]

Am also on the wait, but I think by now, the final dates have been confirmed and all mails sent to respective interviewees for psychometric tests. We must accept and just sit out, though my surname starts with W...! I have been glued to the screen and always refreshing my gmail inbox page since Monday, till my finger hurts. All the best for those who have proceeded! I just hope my team today(Arsenal) atleast beats Bayern Munich so that I could cut down the pressure. Cheers guys!:D

[Brainiarc7]

Well...Its nowhere on Google Maps.

[peejmaniak]

Any of the guys who went today confirm if what rockaviator has is accurate? For the guys waiting the mails will still come if some of us are to attend on 4 March. Its a waiting game. All the best to those doing it hongera and see you on 4th :D:D

[Brainiarc7]

Haha, its close by. Opposite some school. Can't remember it so well, though. Its been a while.

[rookAviator]

A fellow who went today confirmed it.

As with all outlines, be flexible. Anything can be pulled, so do not be rigid or tied to this. Time is of essence, and remember this is not academic test, unlike the aptitude. Quick thinking and speed is all that matters.

[nickmory]

done. now for the wait for the results.
for those who don't know where pride center is, if ur going by public transport take the 33's to rounda where you will find mats going to'village' take one of those n ask the conda to drop you at the pride center. it's directly on their way. for private cars, take the junction leading to Tuskys but go past the supermarket a little ways. you will see the pride center(big red signs)

as for the content of the test, its basically what rookAviator posted. but as pointed out, its not an academic test n some of the content may change. just be prepared to think FAST. speed and accuracy.

make sure to factor in the jams coz the tests start about 30 mins after your scheduled arrival.

good luck to all who are attending the psychometric tests and SUCCESS! lets try to break through as many as we can.

[Dexman72]

@rookAviator, that outline is very true...and there is no way to revise for such experience.
Am all done with this stage, we now wait for results some day next week...then the psychomotor test from 4th March.

[Aviatorette]

@dexman72 & @nickmory, what were the certificates for?

[nickmory]

@ aviatorette,

still verification. but this time we were just handing them over and moving on then they are collected after. as I said ,no delays this time. you go in, your name is confirmed, you hand over the certificates and move ti the exam room.

[Puma Engine]

The abstract reasoning wasnt easy for me. I've check at morrisby site to see its purpose of which it says its aimed at determining problem solving skills. Now, all the other sections proved to be fair. GAT, numerical, spatial and mechanical ability were rather easy. At some point I felt like they were easier than the aptitude questions.

This abstract reasoning thing has left me feeling flat and empty. But how credible is this test? Personally, my employer gives me lots of problems to handle. Now, am I not solving problems everytime I and my colleagues suggest to the company what to do?

I'm sadly left in the hands of fate based on that abstract test. I can see that the test has inadequacies. Well, a poor correlation is highly likely to exist between abstract test and people who aced it or failed it. What reason explains why those who ace it fail in SA? On the other hand, what reason explains why those who fail it are good problem solvers in real life? *These are rather subjective questions though.

I hate the fact that this abstract test may ruin my dream.

*My interview details are as such; I went for aptitude on 6th and did my psychometrich today 7:30-12:30. There was a group which came at noon when we were leaving.:ugh:

*The theory of alphabets suggested by Brainiarc seems to hold water.

[LOPA]

Psychometric done, now prayers begin for that psychomotor email before 4-7 March.

Those still waiting to sit theirs success, lets meet at the end of the road

[SkyChaser7]

I got a regret letter at 10:00 p.m yesterday can you believe that.....fallen off the ab bandwagon but not off the Sky chasing dream ..I won't deny am shattered but.I will keep at it and look for other means even if I have to fly when I am 50 (lots of saving up to do)......For the rest of y'all still doing the tests wishing you all the best and God speed ...!! Let's meet in the skies God willing and keep up the team spirit.!

[Aviatorette]

To the guys who went in yesterday, approximately how many were you?

[Brainiarc7]

A nice tip for these yet to sit for the psychometric.

Rest beforehand. Eat a good breakfast.
Fretting over preparation before hand will only do more harm. The nerves in the morning can be quite daunting, so, once again, rest enough. Sleep well. Eat well. You'll need it.

[Puma Engine]

About 40 in the morning and another 40 jioni. But there were some DEPs in the morning. So we are talking about 60 ab initios in total. 60 three times (19th, 25th and 4th) returns an approximate figure of 180-200 ab initios. So, some 150 or more people never made it past aptitude.

One observation here, most guys who were grilled yesterday don't contribute much in this thread. Some guys rarely smile in those interviews making them very unapproachable. No wonder only about 3 guys from yesterday's entire group are contributing here.

For now, my fingers are tightly crossed as I await the email for psychomotor. I hope the numericals, spatial,verbal and mechanical will counter the effects of abstract test.:ok:

[nyongesan]

Atleast you got knowledge of your fate! Am still in the dark here, not received anything at all, no call, no email, no nothing!:confused:

[Alphatangotango]

Unless KQ sends you a regret please do not despair or right yourself off, I know of current first officers who were contacted well after the whole process was over! If your application is still active and you haven't received a regret letter just be patient. The anxiety is unbearable but that's KQ for you.

[SkyChaser7]

As @Alphatango says keep your hope alive...least it's not a regret.. but it's weird coz I hear KQ never sends regrets in the initial stages..all the same don't despair..!!! believe..!!

[Alphatangotango]

That's the spirit, don't give up on flying if that's your true passion. You'll have more fun and invaluable experiences training on your own terms not to mention you'll pay less in the long run and still join KQ as DEP. All the best.

[SkyChaser7]

Thanks for that.... won't give up and keep doing what you do..!!

[rookAviator]

KQ may reject you now, but later they will come look for you. Let's take heart from the Whatsapp-Facebook deal.

Quote: "WhatsApp founder Brian Acton was rejected by Facebook & Twitter in 2009

His company has been bought by FB for $19b"

Flying is a dream that can never be extinguished. We keep the faith

[Puma Engine]

Is it worth the cost, time and risk to pursue the channel towards DEP when an interview lurks at the end of the tunnel?

If the passion is to fly then its better to spend money while focusing to fly for other companies (wilson based mostly). Flying for KQ, whether through Ab or DEC, is subject to an interview. Thats where substantial risk lies with regards to flying for KQ.

To better focus on these issues its better to keep away from flight schools. They will always give the positive side of the coin since all they want is MONEY.

[Puma Engine]

I was wondering why KQ sends most of the emails at night. It seems there is a nocturnal team of technocrats who determine peoples' fate. Most likely composed of experienced pilots. I'm observing this because the HR was there during the day jana. So by evening she leaves for her home and the technocrats takeover and crack their whip.

Again, when a guy on this thread called HR some days back, he was told there is a team handling the process.

[Aerodrifter]

If that be the case, then it'll be very interesting (I hope so) to see guys that the HR have turned down being brought back to the fold :ok:

[edwin88]

hey guys,,after the long wait that spanned for almost an year all that i did was just but mess up at the aptitudes and got my regret mail yesterday that is suicidal upon getting it in your inbox..
but i wont quit without some warning words..guys as you move up the hierarchy of those interviews,your passion and anxiety over the outcome hit their all time high,but i take heart to tell you this,always expect a 50/50 outcome otherwise you will be left pitying yourself after the rude shock,,
i feel i messed up by constantly mailing the hr whenever they delayed contacting me e.g for the aptitudes and the psychometric,now i agree with you puma engine about the night technocrats,could they have axed me because of my constant impatience because i don't i think i so much messed up at the aptitudes to warrant a regret?
kudos guys as you move on with your interviews..
trying hard to clear this mess out of my mind.......

[Puma Engine]

edu88 the impatience (Lemmi call it nagging) could have contributed a lot to the regret mail. The only remedy to it was an exemplary performance at the aptitudes. But you know what edwin, that was just another dead dream of its kind. Forget about it, it's a done deal not worth recalling. Don't recall the questions you blew up.

Aerodrifter, I doubt if the technocrats will provide any redudancy to guys turned down by HR's office. Why should the technocrats take time with people who have issues with HR's office. Most likely such people did not burst the minimums. The recruitment policy is not in their favor. I'm mindful that some people did not have there academic papers in order.

[Aerodrifter]

Take heart comrade. One incidence shouldn't dampen your soul. If you are still below the higher age limit, you can try again. If flying is your passion, you'll find other means of actualizing it.
All the BEST.

[Alphatangotango]

There's no 'nocturnal technocrats' working behind the scenes to select who makes it or not! The pilot recruitment process involves third parties like Department of Defence who carry out the height measurements and aptitude test, they the mark and assess the results which they hand over to KQ HR. Career connections administers the psychometric and psychomotor analyis which they also handover to KQ HR, medicals is carried out by a combination of KQ clinicians and independent aero medical examiners and results forwarded to KQ HR, flight tests (for DEP) is carried out in the B737 NG simulator at the KQ pride centre by KQ instructors and assessment forwarded to HR. Finally, the oral interview is handled by the Chief Pilot, Director of FlOps, One fleet manager and HR Relationship manager in-charge of FlOps, This is the team that decides who gets in and who gets a regret.

Sending enquiries to HR might be irritating to them but it does not disqualify you from the process, selection is solely based on performance and attitude.

Good luck folks

[KenAviator]

Like they always say, don't put all your eggs in one basket. Its good to have hopes but at the same time, lets limit our expectations since anything is bound to happen. This process is competitive and the recruiting team is rigorous when it comes to selection. They're only interested in the cream and not the milk. The good thing is that we all have our degrees. Why don't we capitalize on that? They're many ways to catch a rat, and ab intio is not the only through way to become a pilot. So incase you get a regret mail in the course of this recruitment process, pick yourself up and dust off because that's how life is. Failures and mistakes are bridges but not barricade to success.

For those who will do their psychometric test, go break a leg and for those waiting for results, cross your fingers and legs and remember to pray. You did your part, now let God do His part.

[Puma Engine]

selection is solely based on performance and attitude.

How does the company determine an individual's attitude? Some guys have a passion to fly. Some are there because of the salary/money. Some are in the ring just because they have met the minimums.

Good luck folks

Thank you.

To the guys who will go on Tuesday, kindly listen to what the mzungu lady will say concerning dates when Career Connections will handover results to KQ.

[Aerodrifter]

Now that u know that the Career Connections lady will say something pertaining to handing over of results to KQ, kindly enlighten us on whether she said anything on the 19th.

[Puma Engine]

Okey, she said the results will be handed over on 4th. I didnt hear it clearly because I was still reeling from the manual dexterity test. I called a guy who was there in the afternoon group and he confirmed it.

If your results will be out on the same day as ours then it will be easy to know when the psychomotor emails are out. I feel that the guys who were there in the morning are so conservative and may not share information.

[Aerodrifter]

I'm scheduled for tues 25th 1230hrs, but I'll be all ears.
Whatever info I get, I'll relay it here.
All the best to those of us who are yet to sit the psychometric test.

[Brainiarc7]

A small reminder:

This is no place for heroism or eliticism. This is a team. Conservativeness is divisive. Work together. Share what you know. Remember, if more people passed, the more team players we would have. So do your best. Be friendly. These are the same people you will be paired up with in the future as pilots. And this career dictates leadership and teamwork. Only that matters.

And again,,for the psychometrics and psychomotor, please rest well. Exhaustion will stress and burn you out. And flying is fun, so let it remain so for these whonshare this passion and dream.

[nickmory]

the lady said the results will be out next week coz the psychomotor tests will be either on the 4th or 7th. I assume that means that we should start receiving the call backs next week. fingers crossed guys. hope all of us will get the mail

[Aviatorette]

For those of us sitting the psychometric tomorrow, all the best, lets give it our best and pray we'll be called back for the next stage. To those in my group i.e 7:30am see you tomorrow :ok:

[Brainiarc7]

See you tomorrow morning. Just got off a phone call from a lady who identified herself as from Career Connection LTD, asking if I knew where KQ Pride Centre is. So yeah, tomorrow morning it is. 7:30 am sharp.

[joystic]

Hey fellow wannabe pilots, good luck :ok: for those doing their psychometric tomorrow, remember, speed and accuracy is key.
For those who did theirs last week, all the best as you wait for that psychomotor invite.
For the 4th group, see you on pride center on that day.
If anyone has any helpful stuff on PILAPT TEST please share

[dreamlinerdkw]

All the best to those sitting the psychometric test tomorrow,may God give you victory.;)

[Aviatorette]

Thanks @Joystic :) and about what entails the test, rookaviator had shared what to expect of which was confirmed by guys who went in on the 19th @brainarc7, I've also been called by the Career connections lady, she emphasized a lot on getting there by 7:30 and going to pride centre and not KQ Hq. Anyways, see you tomorrow

[Aviatorette]

Rookaviator posted about psychometric and not pilapt test

[Aerodrifter]

@Aviatorette, Brainiarc7 & all those sitting the test tomorrow, I wish you the very BEST, speed & accuracy.

I'm in the 12.30pm session. That lady from Career Connections was very magnanimous...recapitulating the entire e-mail :-)

Guys, see you tomorrow.

[rookAviator]

All the best to all of us on psychometrics tomorrow. Speed, accuracy, composure.

God be with us, let the dream live. Am on 12:30 group

[Aerodrifter]

@joystic, I'm not exactly sure this will be very helpful, but here you go:

https://www.pilotest.net/

:ok:

[Sprawell]

Hey guyz it is until today 6pm that the long awaited text arrived. I got a call from a lady that am scheduled for the text tomorrow 12.30pm. I don't give up guys lets keep the fire burning.

[joystic]

thanks @aerodrifter, quite helpful :D at least they give the rules and objectives of the tests and they got screenshots

[Aerodrifter]

You are welcome, Captain.

[Brainiarc7]

So for these who have attended psychometrics, does the process start at exactly 730 am or are there delays such as these encountered on the first day?

[Aerodrifter]

Welcome onboard! See you then...

[Brainiarc7]

Guys,

The tests are fine. However, timing is important. Very important. The math sequence part was the toughest section for me so far. Hope I passed.

[ChegeAviator]

I went in for the 7:30 test. Deciding to split us into groups was a good idea because we were much more organised and the schedule flowed much better than the aptitude test day.

The email was correct in advising us not to study for the test because what I had revised, even the sample Morrisby Profile test online proved to be of little to no help. The test was demanding, rather than hard, if that makes any sense. I found it to be a paper that one can easily score 100% should they be allocated the right amount of time, but that would beat its purpose.

I was only able to complete all the questions in the Mechanical Reasoning segment. I managed to get past half way and almost finish some of the sections. Unfortunately I'm not as confident as I was after the aptitude test at DEFTEC, but I'm still staying optimistic.

All the best, future aviators!

[nickmory]

hi guys,

hope you are doing good. for those done with their psychometric tests, i hope we all get the call back..( insert prayers here)..Good luck to us all.

as for the psychomotors, i dont have access to the sim stuff so anyone who can help please do.

in the mean time here is a link that may be helpful, if only to give information about how the tests are framed..
MAS / Air Asia / SIA cadet pilot selection process : Aspiring Pilots - Page 3 (http://flylah.com/aspiring-pilots/topic503-20.html)

for those still to take their psychometrics, i wish you all the best.

[Aviatorette]

:eek: I have never been so unsure of myself esp on the mechanical reasoning bit.......the last bit on freestyle questions was very interesting esp the left hand bit hehehe.
Now we await the psychomotor emails. Praying for success

[mutpeter]

Waa. Also did the psychometric today, 7. 30 group. The test is really meant to push us to the limits.

The time was too short for all the sections but as the Career lady put it, no one can finish these tests within the allocated time.

In my view, natural inelligence coupled with speed & accuracy is key here.

Well, we were informed that psychomotor is on 4th & 7th March. As @nickmorry puts it, pray.

The sections are as outlined by @rookAviator.
All the best to those done with psychometric & those going next week.

[KenAviator]

Did the psychometric with the afternoon group. All i can say is "MAY ALL BE WELL WITH YOU GUYS".

The lady said psychomotor is on 7th so the result will be out early next week. All the best my fellow wanna be aviators.

[edwin88]

feels awkward that i can't get to share in what that you people are experiencing in those tests. I feel all but locked out of this surely..i''m living to regret whatever mess i may have done during that aptitude thing..
hope its giving you guys an experience like never.. best of luck to you all..

[LOPA]

Waiting for that day, very soon, that you guys post you've received psychomotor emails then I rush to mine and find it :-)

[Gedion Muteti]

Hello everyone? Is there anyone who applied for abinitio trainee program last year?how long does it take for one to be called for an interview?

[Aviatorette]

@Gedion, the group that applied last year between March and December is the one that is currently undergoing the psychometric tests. It took us almost a year to be called in for the first test

[Mguyz]

I have gone through this thread and I have also done some research. Here are some sites that offer something similar to what we shall be tested on. Unfortunately they are charging a fee and you also need a joystick.

AAT | AirlineAptitudeTests.com - Pilot Assessment Software (http://airlineaptitudetests.com/)

PAT | PilotAptitudeTest.com - Practise for COMPASS Tests and PILAPT Tests (http://pilotaptitudetest.com/)

Another thing, FEAR should not be an option if you want to ace this test. I have discovered its what kills many people in this stage, therefore, even if you've never seen a joystick, please stay calm and try to give it your best shot.

All the best guys.:ok:

[Alphatangotango]

Don't worry buddy this is just but the beginning of your future, don't let a simple regret letter dampen your resolve to fly! I got one too but life has to move on.
You will fly one day, you have a degree make use of it.
All the best in your future endeavours.

[rookAviator]

Just realised how much hope I had banked on the KQ AB Initio process, to a point that I had neglected some parts of my daily life. The Morrisby Profile thing educated me, that no matter how clever I think I am, no matter how learned I think I am, split second decisions occur almost daily in my life. The aptitudes and the Psychometrics were a worthy lesson for me, if I progress to the Psychomotor phase, well and good and thanks to the Almighty. If I do not, I do not carry any regrets with me, and I have nobody to blame, and many thanks to the Almighty.

For now back to my normal money making routine. I wish us well, aspiring aviators.

[Mguyz]

Pilot Aptitude Test Trainer (PATT) (http://www.fl350software.com/index.html)

[Aerodrifter]

Indeed, always diversify your investments in life, in order to be safe whenever the storm hits:cool:

@Mguyz, thanks for the link to PATT:D

[nickmory]

hey guys, just got a call from the lady at career connections inviting me for the psychomotor test on 4th...thanks be to God!!
anyone else get the invite? if you havent just be patient, am sure it will come.

on a related note, anyone have the software and equipment needed for hire??

[Captain GG]

Congratulations! Please tell me, when did you do your psychometric?

[Aviatorette]

Congrats @nickmory, I am still patiently waiting and praying for that call

[KenAviator]

Those who did their psychometric test on 19th are the ones being contacted. The 25th group just relax and don't let anxiety kill you. If you did well then you'll certainly get the call.

@Nickmory, Congratulations:D:D:D:D

[Brainiarc7]

@nickmory congrats! See you in the sky soon. We are waiting.

[nickmory]

thanks guys. feels pretty darn good to get that call.. those waiting, be patient, i believe as @kenAviator has put it there is a system.

@Captain GG, i was with the 12:30 group on the 19th,
@Aviatorette, patience, yours is on the way.

thanks guys(and lady) for the congrats. hoping to score a sim to practice..

[mutpeter]

@nickmory, congrats man. That's what we are looking up to.
Did you get just the call or there is an email as well?
All the best!!!!:D:D

[nickmory]

thanks @mutpeter. and it was just the call. i asked the lady if there would be an email and at first she said no, but towards the end of the conversation she said it would come later with the contact info incase of clarifications.

keep the faith and the hope. lets all get there

[LOPA]

Just received the CALL, be reachable you might get a call from your possible future :-)