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BA318 22nd Mar 2022 05:53

Twice daily AMS-LHR on a Q400 is utterly bizarre. Up against KLM who I think fly 7-9 times daily in the good times and BA who is about the same. Surely there are better uses of a LHR slot even if they are limited to Q400 destinations.

toledoashley 22nd Mar 2022 07:54

I don’t think the model is wrong - just that management decisions from the previous flyBe essentially dug them a grave years ago - which spiralled costs and debt which is never good for an airline. If you can get the costs low enough, and have the right aircraft for the right routes - it can work.

crewmeal 22nd Mar 2022 08:04

Mind you with BA's problems with staffing and baggage issues lately I bet to some will try Flybe rather than run the risk of BA's cancellations.

SWBKCB 22nd Mar 2022 09:06

Any sign of any interlining agreements on the LHR/AMS services?

ATNotts 22nd Mar 2022 09:13

Really don't understand what Flybe are doing messing with LHR at all; unless they believe that by launching LHR services they may get more PR coverage as part of the launch. I really can't see a better way of losing money! I suppose that LBA/LHR might just work, having no competition other than LNER, but by the time you've factored in the time taken faffing about at LBA checking in, then more faffing and expense on the Heathrow Express I really doubt that there would be much in the way of either cost or time benefits if your destination is either city centre! There had better be some interline arrangements in place.

I can only assume that given the seemingly rapid recovery in the leisure travel industry Flybe are betting on EasyJet losing interest in operating from GLA and EDI to BHX and redeploying their fleet to mainland Europe destinations, hence the start date being July, rather than the early summer months. EZY will always go where the best profits are to be made and GLA/BHX probably isn't that far up the profitability list.

It is to be hoped that the investors have got, and are prepared to spend money to allow for two years development and losses. I just fear that these days investors simply don't have that level of patience.

cavokblues 22nd Mar 2022 09:48

Booking engine is live and flights are able to be booked.

Some quite good introductory fares on the routes.

Barling Magna 22nd Mar 2022 10:52

The very best of luck to the new FlyBE. I fear they will need it.

RogueOne 22nd Mar 2022 11:35

A solid set of core routes for Flybe to build from. BFS with lots of connectivity and there will be W patterns galore between the 2 bases.

New website is nice and simple and easy to understand, and the seat options, Lite, Smart, Plus are clear and plain to see, and should solve the clusterf*** that was seen with baggage previously with v1.

Absolutely zero point going too big, too quickly. Flybe have access to the data that shows them the profit to be made, and with new cost savings many of these routes will make even more.

As per their press release, the plan will be to scale up and take back 32 Q400.. then we'll see even more frequency and airports like MAN & SOU & the Channel Islands will surely get some regular service.

You don't start a marathon by sprinting.

cavokblues 22nd Mar 2022 11:40


Originally Posted by RogueOne (Post 11203884)
A solid set of core routes for Flybe to build from. BFS with lots of connectivity and there will be W patterns galore between the 2 bases.

New website is nice and simple and easy to understand, and the seat options, Lite, Smart, Plus are clear and plain to see, and should solve the clusterf*** that was seen with baggage previously with v1.

Absolutely zero point going too big, too quickly. Flybe have access to the data that shows them the profit to be made, and with new cost savings many of these routes will make even more.

As per their press release, the plan will be to scale up and take back 32 Q400.. then we'll see even more frequency and airports like MAN & SOU & the Channel Islands will surely get some regular service.

You don't start a marathon by sprinting.

Admire the optimism but what data are they accessing showing them there is profit on some of the routes? The old Flybe certainly wasn't involved on several of them. Also, if the data is pre Covid how reliable is it? My employer certainly hasn't quite recovered on several key domestic routes in the new post Covid world.

AirportPlanner1 22nd Mar 2022 11:47


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 11203799)
I can only assume that given the seemingly rapid recovery in the leisure travel industry Flybe are betting on EasyJet losing interest in operating from GLA and EDI to BHX and redeploying their fleet to mainland Europe destinations, hence the start date being July, rather than the early summer months. EZY will always go where the best profits are to be made and GLA/BHX probably isn't that far up the profitability list.

A good theory but on the same basis short sectors to the likes of BHX nicely fill in gaps around the Med and longer routes that canít be usefully put to any other use.

Skipness One Foxtrot 22nd Mar 2022 11:55

Did they inherit BE / BEE and "Jersey"?

There's a delusion at the heart of planning and positioning IMHO. LHR-LBA/AMS/BHD shows that.
From the new homepage :

We are on a journey as a new company taking the much-loved flybe brand into a new era.

Putting our customers and colleagues at the heart of everything we do, our motto is ‘smile and go the extra mile'. We are in the business of serving the demand for faster and easier connections in a friendly, responsible, and sustainable way.

SKOJB 22nd Mar 2022 12:01

Only time will tell on their success and I wish them luck. One thing is for sure, the likes of Eastern, Aer Lingus Regional and Loganair will not be resting quite so easy!

tictack67 22nd Mar 2022 12:12


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 11203799)
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EasyJet losing interest in operating from GLA and EDI to BHX and redeploying their fleet to mainland Europe destinations, hence the start date being July, rather than the early summer months. EZY will always go where the best profits are to be made and GLA/BHX probably isn't that far up the profitability list.

Birmingham to Edinburgh £283 on 24march

Tenerife To Edinburgh Ä42

Explain your theory on profitable routes?

ATNotts 22nd Mar 2022 15:01

ticktack67:


Birmingham to Edinburgh £283 on 24march

Tenerife To Edinburgh €42

Explain your theory on profitable routes?
More like blows it apart!! However you have taken an inbound date right at the start of the season. A more interesting comparison might be EDI/TFS on the same date. Might be interesting to do a comparison for a midweek date in late May as well.

ATNotts 22nd Mar 2022 15:04


Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot (Post 11203898)
Did they inherit BE / BEE and "Jersey"?

There's a delusion at the heart of planning and positioning IMHO. LHR-LBA/AMS/BHD shows that.
From the new homepage :

So what? Is there something about business and commercial law that is getting misunderstood here - or just a refusal to accept that no matter what the IATA and ICAO codes and no matter what the radio callsign is this is a new business bought from the administrators of the old business.

What is so difficult to understand??

Now whether the new business sinks or swims is another and very debatable topic!!

cavokblues 22nd Mar 2022 15:40

Doesn't help matters when the actually administrators themselves use it as an example of an airline being rescued and to pat themselves on the back for 'selling the old airline.' - https://www.ey.com/en_lu/strategy/ho...e-is-traveling

Similarities with football club sales - the holding company might be different but the brand very much remains.

I'm still not convinced saving the Flybe brand was particularly worth it. I think there were other motives and assets in their eyes behind their initial thinking in doing so but we are where we are. I wish them well!


bean 22nd Mar 2022 16:53

Cavokblues. The website you quote is total bs.
Flybe realisations still owes millions and if previous airline insolvencys are anything to go by, the winding up will take decades.
Thyme opco merely purchased the brand name and LHR slots.
Here we are on the same never ending band wagon again and again and again and again

Skipness One Foxtrot 22nd Mar 2022 16:57


Originally Posted by bean (Post 11204074)
Cavokblues. The website you quote is total bs.
Flybe realisations still owes millions and if previous airline insolvencys are anything to go by, the winding up will take decades.
Thyme opco merely purchased the brand name and LHR slots.
Here we are on the same never ending band wagon again and again and again and again

They purchased the LHR slots? For how much? Can they ever sell them on?

bean 22nd Mar 2022 17:01


Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot (Post 11204075)
They purchased the LHR slots? For how much?

Ask Flybe realisations.

bean 22nd Mar 2022 17:02


Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot (Post 11204075)
They purchased the LHR slots? For how much?

Ask Flybe realisations.


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