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NorthEasterner 21st Mar 2022 19:01


Originally Posted by SotonFlightpath (Post 11203306)
That's exactly the problem, it's easy to travel quickly and efficiently up and down the country to and from London, but from Southampton it's very different proposition. A journey from Kings Cross to Newcastle in two and three-quarter hours is fine. But from Southampton, it's another hour and a half to Waterloo by train, and around half an hour minimum to cross London, with all the faff of getting off at Waterloo, getting down to the tube, the tube journey etc and getting into Kings Cross. This means an equivalent Journey from Southampton to Newcastle is often around 5-6 hours - too long for a day trip. It was just an hour on Flybe when I used to fly.

When Flybe had the NCL-SOU route it was 3-4 daily. A lot of traffic from business / commuters, VFR, cruise pax and of course Flybeís offering of onward connections.

It would be great to see Flybe back on south coast routes from NCL such as SOU and EXT.


jmdavies86 21st Mar 2022 19:19


Originally Posted by NorthEasterner (Post 11203481)
It would be great to see Flybe back on south coast routes from NCL such as SOU and EXT.

Loganair serves both SOU and EXT from NCL, plus they're due to begin flights to/from MME on 1st April, so the North East market is pretty much covered already.

Sure they [Flybe] would have 20+ additional seats by using a Dash 8 compared to Loganair's ERJs, however I really can't see how both carriers could possibly survive if they were to start operating on the same route at the same time.

Fly757X 21st Mar 2022 22:23

Routes on website
 
Well here they areÖ




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Downwind_Left 21st Mar 2022 22:45

Wow.

I arrived at BHD on Friday, on the ground were 3 BA190s, 1 BA320 and 2 EI320s. Nothing else. Belfast City used to be a sea of purple, but itís now dominated by IAG in blue and green.

I donít think IAG are going to roll over and play dead in Belfast.

Plus flybe now have easyJet on the London LGW route from BHD, as well as serving LGW, LTN and STN from BFS. Tough market. Good luck.

brian_dromey 21st Mar 2022 22:58

AMS, BHD and LBA from LHR. That will be interesting! AMS could be brilliant or shocking. I would have guessed there were better routes without so much competition - GLA, EDI or SOU spring to mind, but lets see.

What strikes me is that the ramp-up is swift, I hope their crewing and training can sustain it and their network will be quite complex with a lot of W patterns and shuttling of crews all over the UK. As I understand it crews are based at BHD or BHX? While I think the goal is sensible and flyBe certainly do have to achieve a lot in a short window, I hope their operation has the resilience and operational integrity v1.0 was not exactly known for.

Rivet Joint 21st Mar 2022 23:03

Utter madness. Did they learn nothing from the previous incarnationís scattergun approach?

I have to confess I was a bit annoyed by all the negativity on this thread which I thought was a bit premature giving the fact little was known but I have to say they were all right. This lot are absolutely clueless! A solitary 1 daily route from SOU and two weekly flights? An airport which was one of the biggest bases and has literally no real competition to speak of on nearly all its busy routes and yet the are totally focused on BHD and BHX where there is much competition not to mention a newly launched Emerald opening at the former. I mean AMS to EMA? Really??

Donít get me started on the LHR routes as well, even a child could tell you 70 odd seaters wonít and never have made money there. Iím lost for wordsÖ.

Skipness One Foxtrot 21st Mar 2022 23:12

AMS, LBA and BHD to Heathrow. Belfast has BOTH of EI and BA, Amsterdam has BA and KLM!
Might as well set fire to whatever capital they have, this is a dumpster fire of an idea. The charging regime at LHR makes it almost impossible to make money on a Q400 without additional support.

Downwind_Left 21st Mar 2022 23:30


Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot (Post 11203608)
AMS, LBA and BHD to Heathrow. Belfast has BOTH of EI and BA, Amsterdam has BA and KLM!
Might as well set fire to whatever capital they have, this is a dumpster fire of an idea. The charging regime at LHR makes it almost impossible to make money on a Q400 without additional support.

I think Flybe have a confused Jesus complex. We are back/we are a new company.

Sadly for them the market has continued to fly. Just not with them. They wonít flock back unless itís really cheap, in the main.

Wish them the best, but these routes are what Eastern or Loganair could have come up with 2 years ago. And chose not to.
Or a battle with IAG to see who has the deepest pockets (IAG have)


mwm991 22nd Mar 2022 00:16

It's not complicated. The previous model was unprofitable and the scraps that actually made money were hoovered up by other airlines. Disaster in the making. Even the routes like LBA to LHR where there is probably a gap in the market is nothing without the BA codeshare. Someone has lots of money to lose.

pabely 22nd Mar 2022 01:20

EZY will be shaking at the knees with competition from Brum to Scotland, good for the punters but it won't last.
Anyone who has just taken a job offer with the Airline, continue getting your CV out there.

BA318 22nd Mar 2022 04:53

Twice daily AMS-LHR on a Q400 is utterly bizarre. Up against KLM who I think fly 7-9 times daily in the good times and BA who is about the same. Surely there are better uses of a LHR slot even if they are limited to Q400 destinations.

toledoashley 22nd Mar 2022 06:54

I don’t think the model is wrong - just that management decisions from the previous flyBe essentially dug them a grave years ago - which spiralled costs and debt which is never good for an airline. If you can get the costs low enough, and have the right aircraft for the right routes - it can work.

crewmeal 22nd Mar 2022 07:04

Mind you with BA's problems with staffing and baggage issues lately I bet to some will try Flybe rather than run the risk of BA's cancellations.

SWBKCB 22nd Mar 2022 08:06

Any sign of any interlining agreements on the LHR/AMS services?

ATNotts 22nd Mar 2022 08:13

Really don't understand what Flybe are doing messing with LHR at all; unless they believe that by launching LHR services they may get more PR coverage as part of the launch. I really can't see a better way of losing money! I suppose that LBA/LHR might just work, having no competition other than LNER, but by the time you've factored in the time taken faffing about at LBA checking in, then more faffing and expense on the Heathrow Express I really doubt that there would be much in the way of either cost or time benefits if your destination is either city centre! There had better be some interline arrangements in place.

I can only assume that given the seemingly rapid recovery in the leisure travel industry Flybe are betting on EasyJet losing interest in operating from GLA and EDI to BHX and redeploying their fleet to mainland Europe destinations, hence the start date being July, rather than the early summer months. EZY will always go where the best profits are to be made and GLA/BHX probably isn't that far up the profitability list.

It is to be hoped that the investors have got, and are prepared to spend money to allow for two years development and losses. I just fear that these days investors simply don't have that level of patience.

cavokblues 22nd Mar 2022 08:48

Booking engine is live and flights are able to be booked.

Some quite good introductory fares on the routes.

Barling Magna 22nd Mar 2022 09:52

The very best of luck to the new FlyBE. I fear they will need it.

RogueOne 22nd Mar 2022 10:35

A solid set of core routes for Flybe to build from. BFS with lots of connectivity and there will be W patterns galore between the 2 bases.

New website is nice and simple and easy to understand, and the seat options, Lite, Smart, Plus are clear and plain to see, and should solve the clusterf*** that was seen with baggage previously with v1.

Absolutely zero point going too big, too quickly. Flybe have access to the data that shows them the profit to be made, and with new cost savings many of these routes will make even more.

As per their press release, the plan will be to scale up and take back 32 Q400.. then we'll see even more frequency and airports like MAN & SOU & the Channel Islands will surely get some regular service.

You don't start a marathon by sprinting.

cavokblues 22nd Mar 2022 10:40


Originally Posted by RogueOne (Post 11203884)
A solid set of core routes for Flybe to build from. BFS with lots of connectivity and there will be W patterns galore between the 2 bases.

New website is nice and simple and easy to understand, and the seat options, Lite, Smart, Plus are clear and plain to see, and should solve the clusterf*** that was seen with baggage previously with v1.

Absolutely zero point going too big, too quickly. Flybe have access to the data that shows them the profit to be made, and with new cost savings many of these routes will make even more.

As per their press release, the plan will be to scale up and take back 32 Q400.. then we'll see even more frequency and airports like MAN & SOU & the Channel Islands will surely get some regular service.

You don't start a marathon by sprinting.

Admire the optimism but what data are they accessing showing them there is profit on some of the routes? The old Flybe certainly wasn't involved on several of them. Also, if the data is pre Covid how reliable is it? My employer certainly hasn't quite recovered on several key domestic routes in the new post Covid world.

AirportPlanner1 22nd Mar 2022 10:47


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 11203799)
I can only assume that given the seemingly rapid recovery in the leisure travel industry Flybe are betting on EasyJet losing interest in operating from GLA and EDI to BHX and redeploying their fleet to mainland Europe destinations, hence the start date being July, rather than the early summer months. EZY will always go where the best profits are to be made and GLA/BHX probably isn't that far up the profitability list.

A good theory but on the same basis short sectors to the likes of BHX nicely fill in gaps around the Med and longer routes that canít be usefully put to any other use.


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