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dixi188 10th Jan 2022 07:56

Maybe waiting for March 5th so they launch 2 years after Flybe mk1 demise?

wanna 10th Jan 2022 08:00


Originally Posted by dixi188 (Post 11167899)
Maybe waiting for March 5th so they launch 2 years after Flybe mk1 demise?

I would imagine it would be closer to that or after given the current state of COVID. January is always a low months for Business / Regional travel and given the shear volume of COVID plus work from home recommendations not a lot travel is going on. Feb is also a quiet Month, so late Feb early to Mid March depending on COVID would make sense, the vast majority of people booked flybe like they would a train, at the last minute so theres no need for long lead in on route announcements.

Over Christmas I did see some interesting posts on Linkedin from previous crew who have been rehired for Belfast bases. Haven't seen anything though for BHX. Liverpool airport also positing about the 'training' flights... maybe an easter egg?

Wallsendmag 10th Jan 2022 08:40


Originally Posted by wanna (Post 11167901)
I would imagine it would be closer to that or after given the current state of COVID. January is always a low months for Business / Regional travel and given the shear volume of COVID plus work from home recommendations not a lot travel is going on. Feb is also a quiet Month, so late Feb early to Mid March depending on COVID would make sense, the vast majority of people booked flybe like they would a train, at the last minute so theres no need for long lead in on route announcements.

Over Christmas I did see some interesting posts on Linkedin from previous crew who have been rehired for Belfast bases. Haven't seen anything though for BHX. Liverpool airport also positing about the 'training' flights... maybe an easter egg?

People don't book trains at the last minute unless someone else is paying and business travel is a tiny fraction now of what it was pre covid..

jmdavies86 10th Jan 2022 10:39

If they're planning to launch soon, it would be sensible to coincide it with the start of the S22 season (27/28th March) and they'll perhaps want a 6-8 week lead-up time for initial bookings so any announcement will likely be made towards the end of January or in early February.

SKOJB 10th Jan 2022 11:26


Originally Posted by jmdavies86 (Post 11167974)
If they're planning to launch soon, it would be sensible to coincide it with the start of the S23 season (27/28th March) and they'll perhaps want a 6-8 week lead-up time for initial bookings so any announcement will likely be made towards the end of January or in early February.

hope you mean S22!

davidjohnson6 10th Jan 2022 11:35

Why wait until the end of Jan or early Feb ? Xmas holiday season is now well and truly over.

jmdavies86 10th Jan 2022 11:42


Originally Posted by SKOJB (Post 11167989)
hope you mean S22!

Indeed I did; I've edited my post accordingly - thanks!


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 11167993)
Why wait until the end of Jan or early Feb ? Xmas holiday season is now well and truly over.

I would imagine that they may well have taken a slightly more cautious approach due to the outbreak of the Omicron variant and the potential threat of another lockdown coming in the New Year.

Other carriers such as Emerald Airlines announced the launch of their routes back in mid-December, however Eastern only announced the launch of LGW-NQY flights towards the end of November and those started in mid-December, although I do understand that this is a PSO-funded route.

jmdavies86 14th Jan 2022 13:22

So with Emerald announcing yesterday that they're establishing a base at BHD and looking to fly to EDI, GLA, BHX, MAN, EXT & LBA, where does this leave Flybe 2.0?

I thought that they're also thinking of a base at BHD and possibly even recruiting for positions; surely the market can't support both operators competing on the same route(s), can it? Perhaps BE are considering some other routes that Emerald are not currently looking to serve...i.e. CWL (if Eastern don't resume it), IOM and/or NWI perhaps?

BACsuperVC10 14th Jan 2022 14:50


Originally Posted by jmdavies86 (Post 11169974)
So with Emerald announcing yesterday that they're establishing a base at BHD and looking to fly to EDI, GLA, BHX, MAN, EXT & LBA, where does this leave Flybe 2.0?

I thought that they're also thinking of a base at BHD and possibly even recruiting for positions; surely the market can't support both operators competing on the same route(s), can it? Perhaps BE are considering some other routes that Emerald are not currently looking to serve...i.e. CWL (if Eastern don't resume it), IOM and/or NWI perhaps?

LPL would be an obvious one.

Cozy F 14th Jan 2022 15:52

Can’t say that a succession of attempts at BHD-LPL ever resulted in glowing success for Flybe Mk1!

Would seem to me if Emerald are looking to mop up viably competing regional routes into GB from BHD against EZY at BFS that Flybe would be much better served setting up shop in a few strategically separated mainland U.K. points (maybe Birmingham, Southampton, Glasgow??) and looking to use their equipment to operate a number of prospectively viable routes within the U.K. and Ireland and also into near European airports. But no doubt there is some great reality that I’m not aware of!

Saabdriver1 14th Jan 2022 17:38

Can anyone confirm that these people really have a clause in their pilot employment contracts forcing you to accept unpaid leave whenever your employer decides that they might want to temporarily lay you off? I'm hearing some interesting tales about rates of pay but this one takes the biscuit. Or rather, doesn't take the biscuit as you'll have no income to buy any?

Jamie2009 14th Jan 2022 17:45


Originally Posted by Saabdriver1 (Post 11170087)
Can anyone confirm that these people really have a clause in their pilot employment contracts forcing you to accept unpaid leave whenever your employer decides that they might want to temporarily lay you off? I'm hearing some interesting tales about rates of pay but this one takes the biscuit. Or rather, doesn't take the biscuit as you'll have no income to buy any?

Utter nonsense

Saabdriver1 14th Jan 2022 18:37

I'm not convinced. I've heard the exact same thing from two different people now, both of whom I'd trust to be right. That's certainly the way they have read the bit in question....

wanna 14th Jan 2022 18:42


Originally Posted by Jamie2009 (Post 11170088)
Utter nonsense

But have you actually seen / signed a contract with Flybe MK2? Are you employed with them and working for them, being paid etc at this time?

Jamie2009 14th Jan 2022 19:24


Originally Posted by wanna (Post 11170108)
But have you actually seen / signed a contract with Flybe MK2? Are you employed with them and working for them, being paid etc at this time?

Yep thatís why I know itís utter nonsense. Clearly Iím not going to reveal any information that isnít in the public domain or even engage in speculation but I can knock that load of rubbish on the head.

Skipness One Foxtrot 14th Jan 2022 19:57

Hang on though @jamie2009 you can't just assume your own contract is the same as everyone elses! Cabin Crew Training Managers may not have the same clauses as Q400 pilots perhaps?

Jamie2009 14th Jan 2022 20:50

Saabdriver1 asked about the ďpilot employment contractĒ and I answered him. What heís been told isnít true.

SWBKCB 14th Jan 2022 21:00


Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot (Post 11170132)
Hang on though @jamie2009 you can't just assume your own contract is the same as everyone elses! Cabin Crew Training Managers may not have the same clauses as Q400 pilots perhaps?

Thought "play the ball, not the man" was one of yours, S1F? Yellow card!:ok:

JSCL 14th Jan 2022 21:19


Originally Posted by Jamie2009 (Post 11170088)
Utter nonsense

Tripe from the Loganair camp? Shock!

BACsuperVC10 14th Jan 2022 21:47


Originally Posted by Cozy F (Post 11170036)
Canít say that a succession of attempts at BHD-LPL ever resulted in glowing success for Flybe Mk1!

Would seem to me if Emerald are looking to mop up viably competing regional routes into GB from BHD against EZY at BFS that Flybe would be much better served setting up shop in a few strategically separated mainland U.K. points (maybe Birmingham, Southampton, Glasgow??) and looking to use their equipment to operate a number of prospectively viable routes within the U.K. and Ireland and also into near European airports. But no doubt there is some great reality that Iím not aware of!


Mk1 made a mess of BHD- LPL. Mark 2 would have to do much better to compete with Easyjet. If they get it right, there is a demand there.


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