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sunday8pm 4th Oct 2016 10:37


Originally Posted by compton3bravo (Post 9514708)
Regarding the catchment areas for the new Jet2 flights out of Stansted. Having recently moved my UK base from Bedfordshire to East Sussex I would personally not even contemplate flying from Stansted (nothing against the airport by the way) just the logistics (road/rail) and cost (still cannot understand the cost of petrol/diesel in the UK compared to Continental Europe). It would have to be Gatwick and possibly Southampton for me. The airport's which should be worried in my opinion would be Luton of course followed by Birmingham, Southend and East Midlands. Far easier for people north of Stansted to drive there. I was told some years ago that a considerable amount of Luton's traffic lived north of Nottingham, whether this is relative today is open to question. Do not forget Thomas Cook will commence flights from Luton next spring so even more competition.

Although the crappy stretch of A14 between Huntingdon and Cambridge is still enough to put people in the East Midlands off Stansted, unless the departure times are very favourable of course. Maybe one day they'll finally widen this stretch, at which point STN will become immediately more accessible at least psychologically.

As someone who lives in Notts and regularly uses Jet2 wherever possible for leisure trips, I wouldn't fly Ryanair from EMA even if they were slightly more expensive. They are really very well thought of here. I'd like to think their EMA base will survive BHX and STN opening without any shrinkage.

I see Jet2 doing very well out of STN. Wealthy middle England counties such as Essex, Suffolk, Norfolk, Cambridgeshire will prefer the product to FR I am sure. Norwich and Southend have the most to lose.

compton3bravo 4th Oct 2016 11:08

A bit of trouble last night according to the Daily Mail with a lot of flights arriving together surprise surprise. Mega queues at passport control, children crying, missing last trains etc. It must be true of course because it is in the Daily Mail!

AirportPlanner1 4th Oct 2016 11:16

What was it? Slow news day? One of their journalists flying in and upset they weren't given special treatment?

There is nothing unusual about the number of flights. Doesn't excuse the queues though.

01475 4th Oct 2016 18:50

A14 upgrade starts in Nov. But that means that in the meantime it'll be even harder for people from those parts to get to Stansted.

leadinghand 6th Oct 2016 08:13

jet2
 
hearing rumours that a 3rd handling agent will be used for the jet2 contract.

FRatSTN 6th Oct 2016 09:14

EasyJet Spring/Early Summer 2017
 
STN seems to have held onto their 7 based EZY aircraft and all of its routes, despite some people's concerns.

Flight timings look to have changed a bit but generally pretty similar to Spring/Summer 16.

daz211 12th Oct 2016 16:48

24,009,348 passengers used London Stansted in last 12 months, up 8.4% on previous year. Just 6,000 short of record high set in Oct 2007.

_aax1 12th Oct 2016 20:35

Interesting article and analysis by anna.aero regarding Jet2 entering Stansted next summer.

Jet2.com to take on Ryanair at London Stansted in S17

What I find interesting/disappointing is that in the years in which MAG have owned Stansted, Ryanair's market share has increased significantly while easyJet's and other airlines have decreased.

MAG always go on about how they've transformed Stansted, returned it to growth and have got a greater mix of airlines when the truth is all STN's growth is Ryanair and they spent 80m on World Duty Free.

STN is lucky Ryanair has been so loyal but they need to get more airlines desperately and spend money on the facilities asap.

I wonder if a Middle Eastern and an American ariline will come in any time soon? There was a lot of rumors last year regarding Qatar and AA coming in but all dried up.

canberra97 13th Oct 2016 13:29

aax

Although Ryanair are by far the largest airline at STN the airport does have a total of 16 scheduled airlines and a large portfolio of freight carriers so it's not all bout Ryanair although obviously they are the predominant airline.

Rumours of Qatar and American at STN where did you hear those!

Qatar Cargo do operate from STN though.

I can't see American Airlines making a return to STN if so it would be their third attempt and any flights involving the ME3 in my opinion would more than likely come from Emirates.

The recent 80 million invest wasn't just the World Duty Free it was about maximising the space within the constraints of the terminal as a totally new security area was built along with an enlarged and modernised shopping area and new restaurants and the redesign of Satellite 1.

If your a frequent user of STN you would have noticed the transformation from it previously looked like.

Seljuk22 13th Oct 2016 17:12

With all the new flights announced by jet2 25 million passengers won't be a big deal anytime soon and if there will be a reaction from FR and EZY 28 million passengers are not unrealistic by 2018.

daz211 14th Oct 2016 17:51

MAG ready to launch legal challenge if LHR and LGW are both given the green light for new runways next week.

AerRyan 14th Oct 2016 18:25

I'll have great grandchildren by the time the runway opens.

_aax1 16th Oct 2016 23:56

The AA rumours started from MAG frequently visiting Dallas to have talks with them about re-commencing STN flights. The Qatar rumours came from the Hotel being built opposite Sat 1.

I also doubt either of those airlines will start but I think 2017 will see a launch of a scheduled long-haul airline.

And with regards with the 80m, I think it has been been woefully spent. WDF and shopping/restaurants look nice but the design is awful, the choke points that exist in the terminal cause overcrowding and the shopping centre experience is not enjoyable for passengers. When they want to compete with LGW and LHR they need to seriously look at the terminal design again. Sat 1 already needs a refurb updating the refurb, it's falling apart if you look close enough. I do agree security is however much improved.

canberra97 17th Oct 2016 21:46

aax1

MAG Probably have many discussions with many airlines and airports worldwide regarding business opportunities as do others but it doesn't mean an airline has any intentions of doing so it's all about your business as in MAG promoting itself so because of that rumours always appear but there just that.

'The Qatar rumours came from the hotel being built opposite Sat 1'.

What does Hampton by HILTON have to do with Qatar operating out of STN?

I don't really think that STN is out to compete with either LGW or LGW rather them gaining more of a share of the market which obviously means attracting new airlines and in particular a scheduled long haul airline to the airport (other than Thomas Cook and Thomson).

If and when a new runway and terminal is built at STN it will never really be able to compete with LGW or LHR, its main competitor is LTN to be honest.

_aax1 17th Oct 2016 23:43

Of course STN are out to compete with LGW especially and to a lesser extent LHR. As they frequently quote "We want to be the best airport serving London". When the likes of Air Asia X return to London in 2018, STN are going to compete with LGW to get the service back, especially when Air Asia have said they either want Ryanair from STN or easyJet from LGW to feed their service. Also, STN dream of full service airlines, not low-cost that already overly serve the airport and Luton.

The rumours were that the hotel was being built to encourage Qatar to come to the airport by offering Business facilities. With a connection directly to Sat 1 to offer hotel check-in. That is what was said last year and it was going round in circles. Likely not to be true as most rumours are, but that was what the rumour was.

canberra97 18th Oct 2016 03:27

As much as I love STN and I've been visiting the airport and have enjoyed seeng first hand its massive growth since I first went there in 1979 but seriously,

'We want to to be the best airport serving London'

'WE WANT TO' stands out here!

It's like Gatwicks slogan 'Your London Airport',

Every airport can make statements like that but it doesn't much except for promoting the airport.

The only real immediate chance for STN to obtain a full service long haul airline is EK but with them cancelling the planned forth daily flight into LGW due to a fall in demand doesn't look as if they intend on expanding their London airport portfolio anytime soon.

As to a connection from the Hampton by Hilton check in direct to SAT 1 how will that work precisely as a security area and checkpoint would have to be added and I can't see that happening, the plans for the hotel are online and show no such connection.

You do realise that there is a Raddison Blu adjacent to the north of the terminal with business facilities if airlines such as Qatar needed them but regardless of location of both hotels there would never be a direct access from either directly to any of the Satellites be it 1,2 or even 3.

When I was a young spotter it was ridiculous how many rumours existed regarding airlines, airports, routes, etc but even then as now I never take any notice of rumours as I prefer facts and I'm afraid what you stated are just that pure rumours.

EI-BUD 18th Oct 2016 10:10

Maybe I've missed previous commentary, but wasn't it September 1991 when the 'New Stansted' opened? A 400M investment in space as it was advertised at that time. I remember being on one of the earliest flights from the terminal and it was so very quiet indeed. Exel Airways were flying to Eindhoven from memory etc. and Ryanair BAC 1-11's and Air UK 146s a plenty, not to mention a daily American Airlines to boot.

This 25 year milestone must be worthy of some mention or celebration....?


EI-BUD

FRatSTN 18th Oct 2016 10:24

It was March 1991 so they've already carried out the 25 year celebrations. There was a big gathering amongst colleagues in the Terminal, speeches from the MD etc. There was some local media attention about it and a half-hour special from ITV Anglia news broadcast from the new Satellite 1 area.

EDIT... Here's the link to ITV Anglia news' broadcast...
http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2016-...h-anniversary/

EI-BUD 18th Oct 2016 11:31

Thanks FRSTN... completely missed that!

FRatSTN 20th Oct 2016 10:23

Merger of Cityjet and Stobart Air likely to be completed shortly

From an article in the Irish Times this morning regarding Stobart Air / Cityjet merger...

Stobart Air operates regional air services between a variety of centres in Europe and the UK, with Southend Airport being a key base. It is the operator of the Aer Lingus Regional network. The announcement said that the transactions “ will enhance Stobart’s flexibility in building new passengers routes at Stansted airport”, indicating that it will retain some stake in the merged airline.

Am I missing something here, or perhaps more likely is this just a misprint?


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