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Musket90 25th Sep 2006 19:16

STANSTED - 2
 
Good news about IOM and Izmir flights. Timings appear to be filling the off peak periods, so plenty of space.

Whatever happens at LHR or any other airport in regard to disruption, airlines know what their contingencies are and STN and other airports may be part of it. However airports don't build facilities and spend lots of money in the hope that they may receive diversions. Also there is a limit to what Handling Agents can cope with as their staffing and equipment are aligned to the scheduled airlines that they handle.

G-APDK 26th Sep 2006 13:39

DAZ211
The information about IZAir came from a good source in the industry.

With regard to the Manx2 service, these flights are reported going to be operated by a (2nd) BAe Jetstrem 32 aircraft that is going to be leased (again from Jetstream Executive Travel Ltd. This information comes from another e-group

xxx5572 29th Sep 2006 09:55

Whilst BAA have declared most of the jetbridges usable and somehow safe i must ask why is it that the bridge on 11L is propped up by a large metal frame and looks like it hasnt been touched but also i see that the canopy on the bridge on B20 is broken and again out of use :uhoh: what is going on??? I mean the bridge on 13 may be subject to an investigation but if not at least they can get round to fixing the others,, im sure this is no coincidence that one by one they are all starting to develop their own problems, they are screaming out to be replaced,, even if its just the worst ones.

And also ive been noticing that towards the end of sat 1 a piles of rubbish are being left there, old chairs, sofas, wood pallets and more. Surely there are proper ways of disposing of unwanted stuff and not just to leave it, it makes it look so bad, wouldnt take long to get rid of it. Is it just me or has anyone else noticed it?? :confused:

hasta lueGO 1st Oct 2006 14:28

11L is awaiting repair to the floor which is totally unrelated to the other bridge issues.

daz211 1st Oct 2006 16:41

Can anyone tell me what the following airlines are doing at Stansted today.

RLA7633 ex Barcelona.

VIR3078 ex Tokyo.

(Just seen VS901 into LHR has been diverted) could this be the same flight ? and if so any idea why the divert?

Musket90 1st Oct 2006 19:09

Virgin div might have been due many thunderstorm showers in SE England at the time causing inbound LHR delays.

daz211 3rd Oct 2006 20:46

At Last
 
At last the BAA have updated the STN website.
They have removed all the old info from NEW DESTINATIONS page
and added all the new routes.

Well done BAA, at last you updated the site, It only took me E-mailing
day after day after day.:D :D :D :D

jack_essex 5th Oct 2006 18:37

You beat me to it! Lol. I had also been looking at that web page and kept getting annoyed when routes such as Chambery were still on there which has been dropped, and then other routes to places such as Pakistan had no mention at all. Good news they have updated the site but its long over due.

daz211 9th Oct 2006 23:34

flight diversion
 
I have just noticed that flight FR614 from Derry to Stansted has been diverted to Luton, The Ryanair website states due to weather at Stansted.
I live 20min by road from the airport and the weather here is very warm with no wind and clear skys :confused:

--- I think I know why this divert took place !

Another diversion FR4153 BGY-LTN diverted to STN due night runway closure.

So weather ? I dont think so .

jack_essex 9th Oct 2006 23:57

Strange. I also live 20 minutes from Stansted and its been a fine day. Exact words on the Ryanair website regarding LDY flight:

"Diverting to London Luton due to earlier atc departure restrictions due to weather at London Stansted"

There are also a few diverted flights at Liverpool due to the runway being closed. Landind at MAN and pax being coached to Liverpool.

sat1 10th Oct 2006 09:46

jack_essex

ITS BEEN A FINE DAY!!!!!!!! what about the slight precipitation that occured there last night?

jack_essex 10th Oct 2006 09:48

Eos Airlines half price seat sale!
 
Eos Airlines have now been flying for one year between London Stansted and New York JFK. As it is their 1 year Birthday they are having a half price seat sale for return trips booked by October 16th! I've just had a look and they have some great prices.

daz211 10th Oct 2006 09:55

Maxjet Offering £599 Happy Birthday
 
Maxjet is also offering very low prices £599 all in for a rtn trip to Newyork and Las vegas Happy Birthday :ok:

jack_essex 14th Oct 2006 22:58

Last night there was a KLM Cityhopper a/c at Sat 2. Does anyone know what it was doing there and what flight it was operating? This was around 21.30.

xxx5572 15th Oct 2006 16:37

Im sure it was a divert as there has been pretty bad fog over past few days. there was an eastern airways and a flybe a/c around too.

jack_essex 15th Oct 2006 16:59

Thanks. I also saw the Eastern Airways at Sat 2. Nice to see something other than Ryanair and easyJet

xxx5572 16th Oct 2006 16:05

well its been a bit of a busy week with unusual aircraft coming in, had the antinov in today and went over to north side, a very mysterious looking military a/c over north side too. Makes a change :bored:

xxx5572 16th Oct 2006 17:04

safety issue!!
 
Around a moth ago I was surprised to see some workers fitting some new fire doors into a few gates in sat1, at first I though how good it would be to have some new doors as the old ones were a bit worn out and that BAA were doing a good job in trying to bring the place back up to scratch after all the new carpet and paint that have been done but I am beginning to think I am wrong!!
Firstly unless I’m mistaken I thought that the fire doors were able to stay open for a while or until a fire alarm would go off were they would automatically close, surely being their purpose. However it seems as if BAA has overlooked something!! These doors now have just the hinges and have no device to keep them open so I find myself and see others searching the area for items to hold the doors. Typically this would be a chock!! A tenser barrier!! Or even a PIG!! So long as it hold the door open!! := :=
Maybe I wouldn’t mind if they weren’t used so much but at the airport they are used for both arriving and departing pax and makes things slightly more difficult if people are constantly worrying how to keep them open so the pax know were to go. Also I dread to think what the passengers must think when they arrive at Stansted to find doors being propped open, rotting wood in entrance ways and so much more.

I know some people may not care but I’m afraid I do because someone has to. These problems shouldn’t even have to come this far and I even know that there is a dedicated fire and safety team working for BAA and should be sorting these problems out without us having to keep on their backs. We fall into a bit of a trap as many of us are working for a handling agent and is BAA are the operators so communication is difficult at the best of time but also seems to fall on deaf ears. I’d like to see what the health and safety executive would have to say about all this because especially with the airport being a place dealing with a high volume of the general public, safety should be on the list of priorities but just seems to be overlooked.
Any suggestions on what to do and does anyone agree??!! Sorry to go on but needed to get it off my chest :ugh: :ugh: :ugh: :ugh:

Buster the Bear 21st Oct 2006 10:06

Security Chaos!
 
http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusin...10007744.shtml

jack_essex 21st Oct 2006 10:25

Every day passengers miss their flights at STN becasue it has been taking over an hour to get through security! When you check in on time I would be furious if I missed my flight becasue of the mess at security. Passengers take it out on the airlines when they get told they have missed the flight, it is BAA they need to be complaining to.

LGS6753 21st Oct 2006 19:08

Monopolistic BAA strikes again
 
The chaos at Stansted every morning is because it has taken on far too much traffic. BAA seem determined to undercut their main rival, Luton, to secure new business which they are simply unable to service. They undercut by the simple expedient of cross-subsidizing from hugely profitable Heathrow and Gatwick.

Where people actually want to fly from (north of London) is Luton. Unfortunately for the travelling public, Luton is controlled even now by the moronic Luton Borough Council, who are holding up the investment the airport's new owners want to make.

No airline actually wants to fly from Stansted, they do so because there is capacity available on the (subsidized) cheap.

xxx5572 22nd Oct 2006 16:31

No airline actually wants to fly from Stansted.....................:confused:

Forgive me for asking but do you speak collectively on behalf of ALL airlines operating at the moment?? Or as i suspect its your personal opinion.
Yes the ques on some days are pretty bad bad and causes quite a bit of disruption however lets be honest do the airlines really care as i know Ryanair were asking passengers to pay for a whole new ticket if they missed their flight and EZY will ask sometimes for the transfer fee, hence why they dont scream and shout too much about it because there just lining their pockets.
Plus the recent problem has only arisen since the events in August so are having to adapt to a new way of doing things so hopefully soon the rough patch will be over and back to a smooth running operation.

Ametyst 22nd Oct 2006 17:37

Stop making excuses!!!

Other airports have had to adapt since 10th August and have done so with the minimum of disruption to passengers. The situation at Stansted is disgraceful. If people check-in on time then the least the airport can do is to provide the facilities in order for these passengers to catch their flights.

It has been over 2 months since the initial alert it is time to stop making them an excuse for the BAA's inability to provide a functioning airport.

xxx5572 22nd Oct 2006 18:31

In no way am excusing what the airport is doing, I myself work for one of the handling agents and not BAA so have experienced first hand the chaos that arrises on the days when the staffing level is extra low and unable to cope.
As far as I am aware BAA took on temp staff for the busy summer time and towards the end these contracts ran out and yes BAA made a huge misscalculation in the way the new security measures would affect this particular airport, and I couldnt agree with you more in that all the other airports dont seem to be suffering from this problem however its just the way it is and they are already recruiting new permanent staff. It is also a case of quality not quantity, if for example BAA did a massive recruitment drive and took anyone that went for it they could have huge problems if a month into it they find the staff are not any good, chaos would happen again and mistakes would be made which being an airport can cost peoples lives.
In a month or so the sutuation should be ok and BAA will be able look at this as a big lesson. All busineses make mistakes just as people do and some mistakes are bigger than others but all mistakes are there to learn from. :ok:

Buster the Bear 23rd Oct 2006 10:20

BAA plans terminal security overhaul
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/...929131,00.html

ORAC 23rd Oct 2006 13:15


Where people actually want to fly from (north of London) is Luton
And what evidence do you base that on?

Personally, I prefer to fly from Stansted because it is the most convenient for me. Second choice is Heathrow, third choice is Gatwick. You only get me into Luton kicking and screaming if I have no other choice of carrier. And yes, I live north of London, Essex to be precise.

TUGNBAR 23rd Oct 2006 16:34

Aviance
 
Sorry to butt in to this Security Thread:zzz: but I heard today (as you do) that Aviance are now reconsidering getting back into handling pax at Stansted. Anyone know if this is true

LGS6753 23rd Oct 2006 17:31

Who wants to fly from Stansted?
 
Predictably, my posting has provoked the Stansted brigade into complaints.

I said: "Where people actually want to fly from (north of London) is Luton." That is based on the well-researched fact that Luton has the largest catchment area of any airport in the UK except LCY and Heathrow. It is also based on surface accessibility (the M11 peters out north of STN, and the rail link is a dead end), whereas the M1 continues past LTN to Milton Keynes, Northampton, the east Midlands and Yorkshire, and Midland Mainline/Thameslink serve the south coast, south London, central & north London, Bedford, Kettering, Leicester, Derby, Nottingham, Sheffield, etc. There are also 6 National Express coach links to north, south, east and west.

I guess there are a few Essex men for whom Stansted is easier to access, but you can say that about Kentish men preferring Lydd. The fact remains that Luton is better placed, but has been severely disadvantaged by the accident of ownership.

I said "No airline actually wants to fly from Stansted"; possibly a slight exaggeration,:} but over the last fifteen years, most of the airlines now at Stansted chose Luton initially, but were either bribed away by BAA corrupt practices, or feared future lack of capacity at Luton caused by the uneven planning regimes covering these two airports. Go originally planned operations at Luton; Ryanair and TNT made Luton their London base until bribed into Stansted by BAA; Sky Europe preferred Luton, and FlyGlobespan is the latest in a long line to have to go to the wilds of Essex, despite preferring Bedfordshire.

WHBM 24th Oct 2006 08:24

More pax security checks incompetence
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6079250.stm

OK BAA Stansted. You have screwed up the pax's half-term holidays by your bungling handling of security checks (see so many posts above) which meant that many missed their flights.

And then you have the barefaced cheek to come up with a ange of excuses like:

"It's the first half-term holiday since the new regulations" (ignoring the fact that they were in force during much of August, the peak holiday month).

You knew how many pax are expected each day.

The airlines have NOT increased their schedules this week.

And yet you cannot have the staff in place to process the expected numbers.

When will the airport manager and the security manager at Stansted finally be rumbles by those at BAA HQ and be replaced ? Or is it a case of "Never mind, their costs are within their budget, so that's alright then".

Musket90 24th Oct 2006 18:54

I think problem is that with increased Security measures STN is putting thru too many pax at peak times that one terminal and too few staff can cope with. The other airports mentioned have more than one terminal with each processing less than STN and probably more staff to deal with it.

Heard that more Security staff are on the way so things can only get better, time will tell.

pamann 24th Oct 2006 22:17

Lgs6753
 
"Take a deep breath, and get over it!"
I too live in London, and I know what my first choice would be! Stansted Anyday :D

Sky Europe preferred Luton, and FlyGlobespan is the latest in a long line to have to go to the wilds of Essex, despite preferring Bedfordshire.
And please state your sources???

Predictably, my posting has provoked the Stansted brigade into complaints.
No cos we're out numbered by the Luton thread who can't bare to not see Luton at the top of this list daily!
Get a life! :ugh: :ugh: :ugh:

rusty_c 25th Oct 2006 14:43

Nice one! Ive always thought that!

Typical old luton fanatics, bitter.
Sour grapes never win!

I dont think bribery was the case with the said airlines, probably offered a more attractive package at STN. More attractive airport maybe?

Its time that you guys really do stop moaning about the lack of investment and realise that there maybe a reason for it?
Theres alot for LTN to do before it can truly be up there with STN!

daz211 25th Oct 2006 15:05

I agree STN is a better airport than LTN, but thats just my own view.
STN and LTN might go head to head with the new airline Silverjet,
and a route that is due to start in Apr 2007 STN-BDA this route
will operate under the name Flyjet or Silverjet,
It will be interesting to see, if operated under the name Silverjet,
which airport LTN or STN will prove to be a better market, maybe
Silverjet would consider a full move to STN or move BDA to LTN.

pabely 25th Oct 2006 17:42

daz211

:=

Weren’t Flyjet supposed to be running the service on behalf of flyfirstclass and not in their own right? The new masters might have new ideas on running it for themselves in the future. Everything Silverjet has released to the Stock Exchange and Press talks about London Luton, not Stansted.
Now, don't fuel STN v LTN.

carousel 27th Oct 2006 20:34


Originally Posted by jack_essex (Post 2920681)
Every day passengers miss their flights at STN becasue it has been taking over an hour to get through security! When you check in on time I would be furious if I missed my flight becasue of the mess at security. Passengers take it out on the airlines when they get told they have missed the flight, it is BAA they need to be complaining to.

I suppose that the delays (actualy up to two hours) are all due to BAA security staff causing holdups so they can stay on and do a bit of overtime, or could it be that PAX are so stupid that the think that nobody will notice their extra bag (one bag only)their bottle of water (no liquids) their hairgel,deoderants,liquid makeup,cigarette lighters, and all the other items clearly listed on notices websites and various media releases that the traveling public think only apply to others, which are then discovered at central search and then argued over slowing the whole process. Send them all through NAKED WITH NO BAGGAGE and see how the delays are reduced.

jack_essex 28th Oct 2006 11:09

True, the amount of people getting sent back to check in after 'attempting' to get through security is ridiculous. Some passengers as you already mentioned, think that cosmetics and allowed, toiletries etc. 'But you didn't tell me I wasn't allowed my lip gloss'. Well the phrase liquid cosmetics includes anything well... liquid! Lol.

I agree BAA security needs to do an awful lot more to ease the security mess at STN but this problem is not helped by the fact passengers think they can get away with taking all these items through.

Skipness One Echo 28th Oct 2006 21:04

Nor is it helped by manually searching 2/3 bags as happened yesterday! The lady at the xray desk looked REALLY stressed. They are spending way too much time looking for harmless items like water from normal families they are missing other stuff I have no doubt. The amount of attention a family with sunscreen in a bag consumes is frightening.
everyone is now a suspected bomber and that is just PC gone nuts.

Jordan D 29th Oct 2006 13:07

Unusually, I'm going to defend STN: Three weeks back I made it through security for my 0820 dept to EDI in under 20minutes, and there were indeed long queues. Not ideal, but definitely not an hour.

Now I hope I haven't spoken too soon, as I'm going thru STN on the 06/11, so we'll see how it is then.

Jordan

carousel 29th Oct 2006 20:37

Missing the point
 
You are right! security screeners should not be wasting time harassing the genuine traveller,so why the hell is Mr/Mrs Traveller still putting sunscreen in his/her hand baggage.
Oh by the way if you could add a description of the genuine terrorist it could help a lot of folks out:ugh:

daz211 30th Oct 2006 14:33

I have just noticed that (GM) will have 3 flights a week out of STN
from 03NOV flt GM515 will opp STN-BTS with a 737-200 until 25OCT
on a friday departing at 1955,
followed by 17DEC flt GM517 STN-BTS with 757-200 opp until 25OCT
departing at 1330 on sundays,
and also from 15DEC flt GM517 dep's on a friday 2030 STN-BTS until
25OCT using 757-200.


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