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Old 28th Aug 2023, 16:52
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SunExpress S24

Antalya increasing from 5 x weekly to daily from July 24.
Izmir increasing to 2 x weekly.
Dalaman 2 x weekly.
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Old 29th Aug 2023, 11:22
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In your opinion, should the airport be granted US Pre-clearance, would this lead to continued growth and new routes being secured? EDI management believe this would happen.
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Old 29th Aug 2023, 12:12
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It would be interesting to know what the cost to the airport would be for pre clearance. It sounds as if the money might be better spent on infrastructure.

I strongly doubt it would attract new airlines or routes. The truth is that airlines are not hugely interested in how long it takes passengers to clear immigration, particularly if the pre clearance is reflected in the ticket price. If an airline sees potential financial benefit from a route, it willl try it, irrespective of facilities. Where it makes a difference is if an airport has a based airline which can funnel passengers between e.g. European and US flights. Edinburgh has no prospect of this (only LHR or LGW do in UK).

Given that such a large percentage of EDI passengers have US passports, it is of limited benefit. Would be better at LGW or MAN which have larger passenger numbers to US, paticulary off season, with a much higher percentage of non US passport holders. But they have traditionally been cool on the pre clearance idea. There must be a good reason for that which Mr.Dewar is unaware of.
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Old 29th Aug 2023, 12:28
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Originally Posted by GulfTraveller
It would be interesting to know what the cost to the airport would be for pre clearance. It sounds as if the money might be better spent on infrastructure.
£5m (source)

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I strongly doubt it would attract new airlines or routes. The truth is that airlines are not hugely interested in how long it takes passengers to clear immigration, particularly if the pre clearance is reflected in the ticket price. If an airline sees potential financial benefit from a route, it willl try it, irrespective of facilities. Where it makes a difference is if an airport has a based airline which can funnel passengers between e.g. European and US flights. Edinburgh has no prospect of this (only LHR or LGW do in UK).
Airlines are interested in it because:
  1. It reduces the minimum connection time at the US hub, so reduces the risk of connecting passengers being delayed at immigration and missing their onward flight and airlines having to spend time rebooking passengers.
  2. They are charged a lower per-passenger handling fee at the US hub since the passengers are effectively domestic passengers and don't need to use the customs and immigration facility.
  3. Passengers who are denied entry are kept on foreign soil and don't have to be processed and deported once they arrive on US soil as is currently the case, so saving the cost of repatriating inadmissible passengers.
Originally Posted by GulfTraveller
Given that such a large percentage of EDI passengers have US passports, it is of limited benefit. Would be better at LGW or MAN which have larger passenger numbers to US, paticulary off season, with a much higher percentage of non US passport holders. But they have traditionally been cool on the pre clearance idea. There must be a good reason for that which Mr.Dewar is unaware of.
It's still of benefit to US passengers as they still need to clear US immigration on their arrival back in the US. LGW is interested in it (source) and I'm sure MAN has been.
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In your opinion, should the airport be granted US Pre-clearance, would this lead to continued growth and new routes being secured? EDI management believe this would happen.
EDI management believe this would get them a higher price ​​​​​​​
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Old 29th Aug 2023, 13:43
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EDI management believe this would get them a higher price
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Old 30th Aug 2023, 08:51
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Originally Posted by GulfTraveller
I strongly doubt it would attract new airlines or routes. The truth is that airlines are not hugely interested in how long it takes passengers to clear immigration, particularly if the pre clearance is reflected in the ticket price. If an airline sees potential financial benefit from a route, it willl try it, irrespective of facilities. Where it makes a difference is if an airport has a based airline which can funnel passengers between e.g. European and US flights. Edinburgh has no prospect of this (only LHR or LGW do in UK).
The airlines are interested in how many passengers are willing to travel, and how much they are prepared to pay. The airport believes that offering pre-clearance makes the airport a more desireable departure point, and therefore encourages more transfers. Edinburgh hope that by adding pre-clearance, people will fly in to Edinburgh with Easyjet etc. then connect on to a US flight, thereby boosting numbers.

It may also encourage passengers to drive up to Edinburgh instead of flying through Manchester or Glasgow, as well as encouraging people to fly from Edinbugh instead of connecting elsewhere.

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Old 30th Aug 2023, 09:13
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I t might affect Glasgow but certainly not Manchester - the travel times from south of the border are too long - tho maybe you'd pick up some Newcastle area transatlantic traffic
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Old 30th Aug 2023, 10:33
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
I t might affect Glasgow but certainly not Manchester - the travel times from south of the border are too long - tho maybe you'd pick up some Newcastle area transatlantic traffic
I'm not saying it's going to devastate Manchester, but it might well attract a few passengers.It's only 3 hours on the train to Edinburgh, so some might well consider it. For those in Carlisle it's a definite swing towards flying from Edinburgh rather than Manchester. All together, you might attract enough passengers to justify it.
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not from Carlisle.....................
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Is pre-clearance as big a draw as it once was? It makes more sense in Ireland as Irish citizens aren't eligible for Global Entry but given that any semi-regular traveller to the US would be well advised to get Global Entry, which allows them to use much shorter lines and an expedited process, is this as important as it would've been 15/20 years ago - particularly if the CBP photo recognition system eventually delivers what it promises.
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Originally Posted by GSM763
Is pre-clearance as big a draw as it once was? It makes more sense in Ireland as Irish citizens aren't eligible for Global Entry but given that any semi-regular traveller to the US would be well advised to get Global Entry, which allows them to use much shorter lines and an expedited process, is this as important as it would've been 15/20 years ago - particularly if the CBP photo recognition system eventually delivers what it promises.
Many Europeans still can't use Global Entry and many people don't know about it. It's also a big pull for many once a year flyers. I know several families who specifically booked their Orlando flights with Aer Lingus connecting in Dublin because they heard about pre-clearance.
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Many Europeans still can't use Global Entry and many people don't know about it. It's also a big pull for many once a year flyers. I know several families who specifically booked their Orlando flights with Aer Lingus connecting in Dublin because they heard about pre-clearance.
Re pre-clearance, the key benefit for pax arriving into the US is the ability to walk straight to baggage reclaim then be on your way. As it stands, right now, if you arrive at any major US airport without global entry and a number of other international flights arrive at same time, you could be looking at a very lengthy wait time to clear immigration. The last thing you want is to be standing in a long line full of tired and ratty passengers. This applies to both US nationals and visitors. As others have also commented, airlines have the benefit of reduced costs and turn around times for aircraft. Should pre-clearance be awarded to EDI, the airport would be joining a fairly exclusive club. Not many airports offer the service. An initial £5 million cost would appear to be a small price to pay in the grander scheme of things.

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You're not getting a pre-clearance facility for £5 million, that's an unrealistically low number. Why would EDI get US pre clearance when it has only 2 flights per day for 1/2 the year? Given United and Delta use different sides of the terminal in summer given the limited number of gates, can someone provide some explanation of how they actually plan to do this and for so little money in comparison to Dublin?
It really sounds like a lot of fanfare that will lead to nought beyond raising the visibility of EDI for a sale or for more US flights, nothing wrong with either but I genuinely don't see an EDI CBP facility as a realistic outcome.
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Looks like Ryanair have made some cuts at EDI over the winter. Alicante is down from 7 to 3 flights. Budapest down from 5 to 4 and Bucharest is down from 3 to 2 weekly.

I havenít had the chance to check the rest yet
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When is the Ryanair S24 schedule released for Edinburgh?
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Old 31st Aug 2023, 18:17
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When is the Ryanair S24 schedule released for Edinburgh?
I believe itís normally September or early October.
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Old 31st Aug 2023, 19:03
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Originally Posted by GeorgeNTravels
I believe itís normally September or early October.
Thanks, I will keep an eye out.
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Originally Posted by GeorgeNTravels
Looks like Ryanair have made some cuts at EDI over the winter. Alicante is down from 7 to 3 flights. Budapest down from 5 to 4 and Bucharest is down from 3 to 2 weekly.

I havenít had the chance to check the rest yet
Just checked the rest. The full changes are as follows.

Alicante - 7 down to 3
Bucharest - 3 down to 2
Budapest - 4 down to 3
Copenhagen - 6 down to 3
Cork - 14 down to 8
Dublin - 30 down to 26
Dusseldorf Weeze - 3 down to 2
Fuertevenura - 3 down to 2
Gdansk - 4 down to 2
Lanzarote - 6 down to 5
Prague - 3 down to 2
Shannon - 4 down to 3
Vienna - 3 down to 2

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