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Old 24th Aug 2023, 22:05
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Recruitment drive at Edinburgh announced.

https://corporate.ryanair.com/news/r...and/?market=en

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Old 24th Aug 2023, 22:24
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Originally Posted by Planeraz
Time will tell. Anything constructive to post or just rather immature snipes?
When it comes to immaturity, expecting constant growth and expansion in tough economic times is an excellent example!
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Old 24th Aug 2023, 22:27
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
When it comes to immaturity, expecting constant growth and expansion in tough economic times is an excellent example!
Ryanair clearly don’t agree with your pessimism.…
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Old 24th Aug 2023, 22:45
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Originally Posted by Planeraz
Ryanair clearly don’t agree with your pessimism.…
Ryanair may be recruiting for a variety of reasons, expansion and replacement of employees that have moved on being just two.

It's the constant unfettered expansion, or expectation of expansion on the North Atlantic routes I was thinking about.
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Old 25th Aug 2023, 05:53
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
When it comes to immaturity, expecting constant growth and expansion in tough economic times is an excellent example!
Got to love the dichotomy that is Pprune.
With threads and threads such as Monarch Airlines, Lydd Airport, Carlisle Airport, Global airlines and Dundee getting an extra LHR a week from 2024

​​​We have the Edinburgh thread, despite physical evidential growth (LH night stopping A321, Turkish with several A330 rotations and Qatar coming with twice daily A350 on winter as well as Air Canada daily in Winter) it's full of Cassandras (see Greek mythology). so funny
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Old 25th Aug 2023, 06:51
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While I appreciate the intellectual turn this thread has taken, are you sure you meant Cassandras? The thing about Cassandra was that her prophecies of doom came true which I assume is not what you are suggesting.
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Cassie says the occasional TK A330 for student return is same as last year 😂
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Old 25th Aug 2023, 10:45
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Originally Posted by tictack67
Got to love the dichotomy that is Pprune.
With threads and threads such as Monarch Airlines, Lydd Airport, Carlisle Airport, Global airlines and Dundee getting an extra LHR a week from 2024

​​​We have the Edinburgh thread, despite physical evidential growth (LH night stopping A321, Turkish with several A330 rotations and Qatar coming with twice daily A350 on winter as well as Air Canada daily in Winter) it's full of Cassandras (see Greek mythology). so funny
Just a small correction, Air Canada is 3x week in winter
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Old 25th Aug 2023, 13:45
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Sorry, a little late to the scene.. but to return to the previous conversation:
Originally Posted by GayFriendly
What additional connections does PHL offer over the many served by flying through BOS, NYC, IAD, ORD and ATL? Very few I'd imagine
It's not about opening up new destinations, but rather about differing products. A lot of passengers will always favour a particular airline, or failing that, alliance. Currently the only option to get to Scotland with Oneworld is to connect through Heathrow or Dublin. As a result, there are a lot of oneworld members who either decide not to travel to scotland, or do so via LHR/DUB. Likewise for Edinburgh based passengers that fly to the US - they route via LHR or Dublin.

American entering the market doesnt open up new destinations, but instead provides another option for Oneworld members. To an extent it also makes Philadelphia more attractve for those wishing to travel to/from there, but the vast majority of passengers will be connecting.

It also provides extra competition, and will help drive down prices, offering more low fare options in advance, and offering more last minute opportunities, which might reduce the cost of overall fares charged elsewhere.

In terms of funding - governments offer all sorts of funds to all businesses. RIght now most councils will offer funding towards web development and other technologies. SImilarly, most governments offer funds through their tourism organisations to any business that increases tourism to the area. these are often arranged in terms of marketing support. Some councils will also offer fundings to airlines in terms of landing fee support. These have been around for a long time, and fall outside of the various schemes initiated by the national government.

As a result a new route to Scotland may sometimes in the past have received funding from 3 different places, with various offers of support available.

Currently the national government isnt offering a route development fund, so that's out, but various other forms of funding will still be available to any new entry to the market through VisitScotland and Edinburgh Council.
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Old 25th Aug 2023, 14:03
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The only competitive way for Air Canada and United to be in the Scottish market is on their own metal as they no longer have BMI to codesharw with, backtracking from FRA/MUC on STAR partner LH is a competitive disadvantage, Delta less so with KLM via AMS. American's JV with BA out of LHR means they have 28 of their own flights to fill with BA out of Scotland helping that. American joining the party depends on the wider impact on those numbers I think.
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Old 25th Aug 2023, 16:02
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Suffice to say discussions of DFW is a complete pipe dream . The bubble’s gonna burst at some point just as it did down at Manchester and at Glasgow
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Old 25th Aug 2023, 17:00
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Originally Posted by laviation
Suffice to say discussions of DFW is a complete pipe dream . The bubble’s gonna burst at some point just as it did down at Manchester and at Glasgow
You may well be right. However, as of March 2021 Transport Scotland were (perhaps they still are) looking at Dallas as an 'aspirational' route (source) so they at least didn't think it was a "complete pipe dream" then (maybe they've since found out that it is). I'm not saying it's likely, but you'll note that two of the other 'aspirational' destinations on that list (Atlanta and Beijing) have been secured (albeit both had operated before).

I'm not sure many people would consider EDI/GLA<>US as two separate markets, I would think of it more as mainly one Central Scotland<>US market. Viewed that way, I'm not sure Glasgow's US bubble burst as such, but rather much of its share of the Central Scotland<>US market has moved to Edinburgh. As I noted in this post, EDI/GLA<>US passenger numbers during the period January - June 2023 are 12% down on the same period in 2019. So if there is a bubble, there might be scope for it to inflate further before it bursts.

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Originally Posted by nighthawk117
Sorry, a little late to the scene.. but to return to the previous conversation:

It's not about opening up new destinations, but rather about differing products. A lot of passengers will always favour a particular airline, or failing that, alliance. Currently the only option to get to Scotland with Oneworld is to connect through Heathrow or Dublin. As a result, there are a lot of oneworld members who either decide not to travel to scotland, or do so via LHR/DUB. Likewise for Edinburgh based passengers that fly to the US - they route via LHR or Dublin.

American entering the market doesnt open up new destinations, but instead provides another option for Oneworld members. To an extent it also makes Philadelphia more attractve for those wishing to travel to/from there, but the vast majority of passengers will be connecting.

It also provides extra competition, and will help drive down prices, offering more low fare options in advance, and offering more last minute opportunities, which might reduce the cost of overall fares charged elsewhere.

In terms of funding - governments offer all sorts of funds to all businesses. RIght now most councils will offer funding towards web development and other technologies. SImilarly, most governments offer funds through their tourism organisations to any business that increases tourism to the area. these are often arranged in terms of marketing support. Some councils will also offer fundings to airlines in terms of landing fee support. These have been around for a long time, and fall outside of the various schemes initiated by the national government.

As a result a new route to Scotland may sometimes in the past have received funding from 3 different places, with various offers of support available.

Currently the national government isnt offering a route development fund, so that's out, but various other forms of funding will still be available to any new entry to the market through VisitScotland and Edinburgh Council.
The major expansion by Aer Lingus is all the more reason for AA not to restart from EDI but to funnel OneWorld committed passengers through DUB.
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Old 26th Aug 2023, 22:05
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Really bad fuelling delays this afternoon, a combination of mechanical issues with some of the tankers and tankers being empty after all the widebody aircrafts. Had a major knock on effect for stand allocations as nothing was getting fuelled on time to be able to depart to free up a stand.
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Old 27th Aug 2023, 01:44
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I note in 2023 that they put hydrant refuelling into PIK back in 1964, some 59 years ago. That was the future once. I think it's knackered now after 30 years of not being used.
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Old 27th Aug 2023, 12:17
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Originally Posted by tartan 201
You may well be right. However, as of March 2021 Transport Scotland were (perhaps they still are) looking at Dallas as an 'aspirational' route (source) so they at least didn't think it was a "complete pipe dream" then (maybe they've since found out that it is). I'm not saying it's likely, but you'll note that two of the other 'aspirational' destinations on that list (Atlanta and Beijing) have been secured (albeit both had operated before).

I'm not sure many people would consider EDI/GLA<>US as two separate markets, I would think of it more as mainly one Central Scotland<>US market. Viewed that way, I'm not sure Glasgow's US bubble burst as such, but rather much of its share of the Central Scotland<>US market has moved to Edinburgh. As I noted in this post, EDI/GLA<>US passenger numbers during the period January - June 2023 are 12% down on the same period in 2019. So if there is a bubble, there might be scope for it to inflate further before it bursts.
Not saying necessarily the route wouldn't work, just that the intentions of AA outside of LHR, MAD, BCN and DUB remain to be seen !

Manchester gets Houston via SQ which looks to be doing pretty well, going back to 5 weekly in 2024 although it is still a tag on.
UK > Texas seems to do quite well
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Old 28th Aug 2023, 10:49
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Etihad/Air France W23

Codeshare expanded. EDI included as a codeshare (AF) destination. Will be interesting to see if AF pax numbers increase.
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Old 28th Aug 2023, 13:07
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Air Traffic Control

The IT problems is starting to cause havoc. Lengthy departure delays of 7+ hours for many flights. BA’s 16:25 service to LHR is currently delayed to 03:25 tomorrow morning! I wonder if spoons will stay open later today? 😂
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Air Traffic Control

The IT problems is starting to cause havoc. Lengthy departure delays of 7+ hours for many flights. BA’s 16:25 service to LHR is currently delayed to 03:25 tomorrow morning! I wonder if spoons will stay open later today? 😂
do they ever close?
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do they ever close?
10pm apparently
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