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[GoEDI]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

It's not beyond the wit of man to park an A330 across two remote stands down by the GAT surely? Or does fuselage length then come into play? Or is that lack of staff once again?

It's been done as a one off ie when the QR A35K was damaged, but I presume it's a no go for a regular scheduled service. Code E aircraft ground movement is restricted as per the below chart:

https://nats-uk.ead-it.com/cms-nats/...ics/321390.pdf

[NotanAVGeek]

Originally Posted by Saabdriver1

And EDI not without its own inbound ATC slot delays too.

Seems to be happening more and more aswell, yesterday arrivals were restricted due to a taxiway requiring urgent repair for the duration of the afternoon. Same thing happened last week too albeit that was at night where it was a bit easier to manage the traffic flow.

An earlier post hit the nail on the head, it’s easy to blame the ground handlers but it’s everyone. I’ve never known the fuellers to struggle as much as they are this year. Wheelchair assistance has went ‘in house’ after years of changing handling company and yet I’d say it’s a worse service than it’s been for a long time.

Everyday starts with a clean slate but then airlines have crewing issues often caused by delays the previous day, aircrafts don’t make it back due to runway repairs in the night leading to diversions, long haul aircraft coming in very early into first wave, then after first wave if you’ve dodged a slot outbound it’ll hit you inbound and so the cycle begins, aircrafts sometimes 5-6 at a time all landed with no stands resulting in a last minute dash across the apron (especially if a widebody is delayed), ramp agents or staff to disembark the flight are then late to arrive which then delays them further while their next flight then is on approach. That flight then waits ages on steps or a jetbridge due to the previous flight. If you have assistance passengers it’s not uncommon to wait 30 min + for the ambulift truck, or the assistance staff are stuck over an hour in the arrivals hall waiting on luggage that can’t be offloaded. Fuellers running out of fuel after every widebody.

It’s a horrific cycle and a poor way to operate. Thus damaging the reputation of the Airport, the ground handling teams, not to mention staff welfare and morale. Those that do come to work then get abuse from understandably irate passengers.

I’ve never known the Aviation industry to be this bad. Above is a daily occurrence, and that’s actually one of the better days.

It’s fantastic to see so many new routes and a wonderful variety of Airlines, terrific for the spotters but I can’t see it getting better anytime soon.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by GoEDI

It's been done as a one off ie when the QR A35K was damaged, but I presume it's a no go for a regular scheduled service. Code E aircraft ground movement is restricted as per the below chart:

https://nats-uk.ead-it.com/cms-nats/...ics/321390.pdf

Ah me being daft, I literally have a copy of that chart. Thanks for sharing!

[Sk1schoolsam]

Originally Posted by Planeraz

May 23

Pax total for May was 1,289,223. Up 21% on May 2022.

Qatar performed strongly again as did TK and DL to JFK in particular.

Some approx LF’s.

Westjet

Calgary - 94%

United

Newark - 95%
Chicago - 94%
Washington - 94%

Delta

JFK - 98%
Boston - 96%

Turkish

Istanbul - 93%

Qatar

Doha - 96%

Thanks for sharing- impressive load factors for these routes

Out of interest to complete the set so you have ATL?

Still trying to figure out which 2 TALA are struggling commercially and may not be back….

[Planeraz]

Originally Posted by Sk1schoolsam

Thanks for sharing- impressive load factors for these routes

Out of interest to complete the set so you have ATL?

Still trying to figure out which 2 TALA are struggling commercially and may not be back….

Apologies. Missed ATL.

2565 pax or 97%

All routes are currently on sale for 2024 so I’ll take the positives in this.

[Planeraz]

UA S24

United double daily - EWR resumes 23rd May. On sale now.

[inOban]

That May total is still almost 100,000 below May 2019.

[Sk1schoolsam]

Originally Posted by inOban

That May total is still almost 100,000 below May 2019.

Interesting- what routes are gone or reduced to be 100,000 seats down on 2019?

[SWBKCB]

From a very quick look appears to be domestic and short haul - top six destinations from 2019 are all down - LHR 20k, STN 20k, LGW 20k, AMS 10k, DUB 5k, LCY 10k

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by Sk1schoolsam

Interesting- what routes are gone or reduced to be 100,000 seats down on 2019?

A fair amount of business travel just didn't come back. The business/leisure mix has not shifted back to where it was.

[GSM763]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

A fair amount of business travel just didn't come back. The business/leisure mix has not shifted back to where it was.

BA pulling Gatwick which was 3-4x daily won't have helped.

[Planeraz]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

A fair amount of business travel just didn't come back. The business/leisure mix has not shifted back to where it was.

Yet business travel in the US is expected to recover or surpass 2019 totals by the end of 2023. Contrast this to Scotland and Sturgeons desperate attempts to destroy the aviation sector during the pandemic with crippling and extended restrictions. Had she got her way, the country would only recently be coming out of lockdown along with her comrades in China.

[inOban]

When I ferreting out the data from May 2019 I confidently expected that the geeks in pprune would get to work! And you didn't disappoint. Even the latest post was entirely predictable.

[Planeraz]

Originally Posted by inOban

When I ferreting out the data from May 2019 I confidently expected that the geeks in pprune would get to work! And you didn't disappoint. Even the latest post was entirely predictable.

I suspect the thousands of people in the aviation sector alone, who lost their job as a result of the politically motivated restrictions would not disagree with my point of view…

[inOban]

I spent my working life as a biomedical scientist and teacher and I won't waste my time debating you. It's definitely OT.

[GeorgeNTravels]

Originally Posted by Sk1schoolsam

Interesting- what routes are gone or reduced to be 100,000 seats down on 2019?

International wise routes to Burgas, Luxembourg, Tallinn, Memmingen, Karlsruhe, Stuttgart, Almeria, Bilbao, Beijing, Dubai are missing completely (either cut or starting after the end of May)

Furthermore routes like Prague reduced from 14.5k in May 2019 to 6.7k in 2023

[Planeraz]

2019-2023

Post July should give a better idea where numbers sit compared to 2019. Qatar going 14 x weekly from July along with Hainan and other frequency increases from Norwegian for example will bump up numbers. The American and Canadian market is very strong as we have already seen. Westjet appear to be doing well despite some initial scepticism. BA have also returned to near 2019 levels although they are cancelling a few flights on a regular basis. A monthly total in the region of 1.5m would be a good result and broadly in line with peak summer 2019.

[SWBKCB]

It’s a horrific cycle and a poor way to operate. Thus damaging the reputation of the Airport, the ground handling teams, not to mention staff welfare and morale. Those that do come to work then get abuse from understandably irate passengers.

I’ve never known the Aviation industry to be this bad. Above is a daily occurrence, and that’s actually one of the better days.

Sounds like my time in Servisair at Manchester 40 years ago, and I bet there aren't the number of 'assistance' passengers we used to get off a Wardair (usually double figures, think the record was over 30...).

Made loads on overtime

[TartinTon]

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[edistevie]

Airside

30000 mtrs of PQ concrete for airside, If I recall they were supposedly to concrete between the cargo ramps to the new stands, then again it could be anywhere, should find out soon enough.


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