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The first two weeks of September are normally very busy across all airports as holidaymakers return in time for the start of school.
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Old 15th Aug 2023, 06:01
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The first two weeks of September are normally very busy across all airports as holidaymakers return in time for the start of school.
Scotland has a different school year - Edinburgh are back this week
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Old 16th Aug 2023, 12:47
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Pax June 23

Total Pax 1,398,433 - 18% up on June 22
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Old 16th Aug 2023, 12:52
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Scotland has a different school year - Edinburgh are back this week
Perhaps they meant the North American definition of school which also includes universities?
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Originally Posted by Breathe
Perhaps they meant the North American definition of school which also includes universities?
Maybe, maybe not
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Old 16th Aug 2023, 13:36
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June 23

As highlighted in other post, pax total for June - 1,398,433

Pax totals for selected routes and approx LF’s. N.B some of the American routes had a number of cancellations in June.

TK - Istanbul 10,130 or 94%
QR - Doha 21,067 or 96%
HN- Beijing 617 or 71%
WS - Calgary 7,308 or 96%
AC - Toronto 11,861 or 84%
DL - Atlanta 12,523 or 99%
DL - Boston 11,078 or 91%
DL - JFK 11,674 or 96%
UA - Chicago 9,932 or 98%
UA - Newark 17,045 or 94%
UA - Washington 9,744 or 96%
VS - Orlando 1,381 or 72%

Westjet performed really strongly. The marketing appears to have paid off. It also looks like they may have eaten into Air Canada’s market share and captured some west coast transit pax? Although not awful, AC’s LF is on the lower side. I expect July to be much higher.

Virgin - Orlando is poor. No other way to describe this. Although June isn’t traditionally a holiday month for Scots, VS will surely be disappointed.

Another strong month for QR. July’s total pax will be higher still given the increase to double daily.

TK performing steadily again. Consistent LF’s in the mid 90’s.

The other established US routes all performed well again. DL - JFK taken a small hit, probably due to UA increasing EWR. DL - Boston slightly down, but still hitting a solid 90% plus.

Hainan - Beijing. Hard to judge so far given they only started end of June. If the number of Chinese tourists in Edinburgh currently is anything to go by, I’d expect July and August totals to be much higher.
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Old 16th Aug 2023, 14:33
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American S24

A number of reliable sources in the US commenting that AA, tomorrow, will announce some new and returning international routes. Fingers crossed that EDI is on this list….
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Old 16th Aug 2023, 15:02
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Sadly the teaser posted to a few Twitter pages does not suggest a return to EDI (and MAN for that matter)

Said teaser can be found on the IshrionAviation Twitter page but the link won't work here

It does suggest 5 routes although I do wonder if American will class any routes lost to COVID as simply route resumptions

We do know that AA's intention is indeed to return to EDI/MAN given slot requests ETC


Let's hope for the best!
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Old 16th Aug 2023, 15:12
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Originally Posted by Planeraz
June 23

As highlighted in other post, pax total for June - 1,398,433

Pax totals for selected routes and approx LF’s. N.B some of the American routes had a number of cancellations in June.

TK - Istanbul 10,130 or 94%
QR - Doha 21,067 or 96%
HN- Beijing 617 or 71%
WS - Calgary 7,308 or 96%
AC - Toronto 11,861 or 84%
DL - Atlanta 12,523 or 99%
DL - Boston 11,078 or 91%
DL - JFK 11,674 or 96%
UA - Chicago 9,932 or 98%
UA - Newark 17,045 or 94%
UA - Washington 9,744 or 96%
VS - Orlando 1,381 or 72%

Westjet performed really strongly. The marketing appears to have paid off. It also looks like they may have eaten into Air Canada’s market share and captured some west coast transit pax? Although not awful, AC’s LF is on the lower side. I expect July to be much higher.

Virgin - Orlando is poor. No other way to describe this. Although June isn’t traditionally a holiday month for Scots, VS will surely be disappointed.

Another strong month for QR. July’s total pax will be higher still given the increase to double daily.

TK performing steadily again. Consistent LF’s in the mid 90’s.

The other established US routes all performed well again. DL - JFK taken a small hit, probably due to UA increasing EWR. DL - Boston slightly down, but still hitting a solid 90% plus.

Hainan - Beijing. Hard to judge so far given they only started end of June. If the number of Chinese tourists in Edinburgh currently is anything to go by, I’d expect July and August totals to be much higher.
I will be honest, I doubted Atlanta when it was announced, but those figures for ATL are impressive.
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Old 16th Aug 2023, 15:23
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Originally Posted by Planeraz
Virgin - Orlando is poor. No other way to describe this. Although June isn’t traditionally a holiday month for Scots, VS will surely be disappointed.
Good point, Scottish schools don't break up til the end of Jun, peak seasons are late Jun to early Sep. This was an A330 operation last year which may have been up-gauged in error to the A35K. So rather than drop the route, I'd suspect we'd see a return to the A330 or even the A339 for next season.
I would imagine ATL-EDI is rest of the US being funnelled via the hub allowing more seats to be released for point-to-point out of JFK and BOS? So rather than opening DTW or MSP as some expect, we might see the A330 on ATL-EDI?

Air Canada's a little lower than I had hoped but that may be due to the B789 being subbed on a few rotations, Calgary is a surprise to me, well done WestJet on filling the B789!
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Originally Posted by Planeraz
Virgin - Orlando is poor. No other way to describe this. Although June isn’t traditionally a holiday month for Scots, VS will surely be disappointed.
Will they be? It's aimed mainly at outbound UK passengers so the first few inbound flights in June were obviously going to be quiet. We already know it had a load factor of 89% in July.
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The chart below shows the market share of the three Central Scotland airports based on the Moving Annual Total for each month from January 2015 to June 2023 (excluding January 2020 to April 2023). It's often said on here that there should be one Central Scotland airport: I wonder if we'll end up with that being, in effect, the case.


Comparison below of EDI/GLA<>US passenger numbers January - June 2023 with the same period in 2019. Worth noting that the total this year to date is still 12% down on the same period in 2019.

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The return of Labour to some degree of power will see more money flow into GLA - that's were their voters are - not around EDI

TBH GLA has mouldered for 10 years - give it a few (ANY!!) improvements and you'll see them regain some of the business
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Old 16th Aug 2023, 23:23
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Just done a deeper look at the figures a mixed bag on internationals with 47 routes coming in with a drop compared to last year (some of these are just natural with the way the month fitted around days of operations) however, the most significant losses (apart from dropped stuff) were;

Orlando - down 59%
Burgas - down 57%
Riga - down 48%
Reus - down 37%
Wroclaw - down 30%

On the growth side, 72 routes recorded growth (excluding the new stuff), some up slightly (some of these are just natural with the way the month fitted around days of operations) and the largest increases in growth were;

Venice - up 205%
Toulouse - up 101%
Kos - up 97%
Shannon - up 87%
Newark - up 82

On a general note, Eastern Europe has struggled in June, with Poland having a particularly rough month, all routes bar Gdansk were down on last year , some significantly
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Old 17th Aug 2023, 03:56
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Originally Posted by Planeraz
June 23

As highlighted in other post, pax total for June - 1,398,433

Pax totals for selected routes and approx LF’s. N.B some of the American routes had a number of cancellations in June.

TK - Istanbul 10,130 or 94%
QR - Doha 21,067 or 96%
HN- Beijing 617 or 71%
WS - Calgary 7,308 or 96%
AC - Toronto 11,861 or 84%
DL - Atlanta 12,523 or 99%
DL - Boston 11,078 or 91%
DL - JFK 11,674 or 96%
UA - Chicago 9,932 or 98%
UA - Newark 17,045 or 94%
UA - Washington 9,744 or 96%
VS - Orlando 1,381 or 72%

Westjet performed really strongly. The marketing appears to have paid off. It also looks like they may have eaten into Air Canada’s market share and captured some west coast transit pax? Although not awful, AC’s LF is on the lower side. I expect July to be much higher.

Virgin - Orlando is poor. No other way to describe this. Although June isn’t traditionally a holiday month for Scots, VS will surely be disappointed.

Another strong month for QR. July’s total pax will be higher still given the increase to double daily.

TK performing steadily again. Consistent LF’s in the mid 90’s.

The other established US routes all performed well again. DL - JFK taken a small hit, probably due to UA increasing EWR. DL - Boston slightly down, but still hitting a solid 90% plus.

Hainan - Beijing. Hard to judge so far given they only started end of June. If the number of Chinese tourists in Edinburgh currently is anything to go by, I’d expect July and August totals to be much higher.
The LFs don't look entirely accurate unfortunately but happy to be corrected as there are different configs operating in some cases? I get below based on actual configs used and number of flights, taking into account any cancellations:

ATL- 96%
BOS- 85%
JFK- 89%
EWR- 85%
IAD- 93%
ORD- 94%
MCO- 58%

YYC- 88%
YYZ- 91%

DOH- 96%

IST- 93%

PEK- 51%

MCO and PEK June LFs are largely irrelevant given only a couple of flights operated right at the end of the month. The first couple of MCO-EDI sectors were extremely quiet which has dragged the average LF right down given how few flights operated, but we already know the LF for July was around 89% from the American figures, which is more like it. Worth remembering PEK had a very short lead time, July figures will also show it busier for sure.
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Old 17th Aug 2023, 06:28
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Originally Posted by GeorgeNTravels
Just done a deeper look at the figures a mixed bag on internationals with 47 routes coming in with a drop compared to last year (some of these are just natural with the way the month fitted around days of operations)
Worth noting that, as a whole, international passengers were 1,022,149 which is up 32% on 2022 and up 7% on 2019.
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Old 17th Aug 2023, 06:43
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I've always been a bit baffled why people remove cancelled flights when calculating load factors - surely what is relevant is tickets sold, not bums on seats. i.e at one extreme I could schedule a daily flight, see that sales are only at 50%, cancel every other flight and re-book pax on to the following days flight and claim 100% load factors? And yes, the obvious caveat that LF's doesn't tell us if a route is making money.

On a seperate note, are the CAA June CSV files incorrectly formatted or is it just me?
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AA’s little teaser vid ahead of the routes announcement expected at some point today. Is this EDI showing on the map? Could of course just be coincidence…


https://www.facebook.com/reel/1840163953066995

It would appear EDI has missed out so far. The following just announced:-

PHL to

Copenhagen
Naples
Nice

ORD to

Venice

DFW to

Barcelona

All daily services on 787-8 and 9

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Originally Posted by Planeraz
AA’s little teaser vid ahead of the routes announcement expected at some point today. Is this EDI showing on the map? Could of course just be coincidence…


https://www.facebook.com/reel/1840163953066995

It would appear EDI has missed out so far. The following just announced:-

PHL to

Copenhagen
Naples
Nice

ORD to

Venice

DFW to

Barcelona

All daily services on 787-8 and 9
Thats disappointing- would have liked to see AA back next year. Did they cancel there slots request for S24?
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