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Old 19th Aug 2023, 09:19
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Are we talking a subsidy or a discount on airport fees and charges? The two are often inter-connected but also confused

I highly doubt an airline like AA would not commit to a route if it didn't think it could make money, subsidy or not. It clearly has better uses for its fleet of 787's. By instead choosing cruise ship ports in Europe, AA have almost guaranteed themselves full flights such is the demand for cruise holidays in the Med for US tourists.

Whilst EDI has grown it's TATL offering in spectacular style, just because it has doesn't mean that every US airline wants to fly to EDI from every hub. What additional connections does PHL offer over the many served by flying through BOS, NYC, IAD, ORD and ATL? Very few I'd imagine
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Old 19th Aug 2023, 09:27
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Originally Posted by cavokblues
Also, wouldn't there have to be an official tender for the route as per the PSO lifeline routes?

I know the SNP aren't exactly great with managing their own funds but if a subsidy was going under the radar like this - the other political parties would be saying something, surely?

I'd have thought at least Glasgow Airport would have something to say about it, which leads me to believe it's not the case, the route air development fund was stopped 16 years ago.
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Old 19th Aug 2023, 09:55
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Originally Posted by GeorgeNTravels
Both EDI and American Airlines are private businesses operating in a non-regulated aviation system.

Subsidy money shouldn’t be a deal breaker, especially if demand is as strong as some claim, after all Philadelphia is very, very easy to reach from Washington and New York direct from EDI and from Baltimore which is accessible with PLAY from GLA.
Is this the best we can hope for a ​​​​​​Glasgow to Philadelphia routing (after a 2hr20m flight to Iceland thereafter a 1h45m layover, then a 6hr35m flight to Baltimore, then once cleared US inmigration a further journey by train from Baltimore To Philly) is an easy substitute to/or hopes of any direct flight!
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Old 19th Aug 2023, 10:02
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Originally Posted by tictack67
Is this the best we can hope for a ​​​​​​Glasgow to Philadelphia routing (after a 2hr20m flight to Iceland thereafter a 1h45m layover, then a 6hr35m flight to Baltimore, then once cleared US inmigration a further journey by train from Baltimore To Philly) is an easy substitute to/or hopes of any direct flight!
No, but what I’m saying is you don’t necessarily need another Scotland to east coast USA flight. If the price is right then people will fly with a change.

Plus with the mess that EDI has been for the last 2 summers they really need to get their current house in order before getting new routes.

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Old 19th Aug 2023, 13:19
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Originally Posted by GeorgeNTravels
No, but what I’m saying is you don’t necessarily need another Scotland to east coast USA flight. If the price is right then people will fly with a change.

Plus with the mess that EDI has been for the last 2 summers they really need to get their current house in order before getting new routes.
The problem with these wish lists for yet more East Coast US destinations is that sooner or later the market gets saturated, the bubble bursts and EDI winds up much worse off routes wise than it might otherwise be.
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Old 19th Aug 2023, 13:56
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BHX bubble burst when they had AA and UA both doing daily 757 to NYC

MAN bubble burst largely not of its own failure; COVID and the TCX collapse ended up with the loss of around 10 US destinations (now at 5)
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Old 19th Aug 2023, 14:01
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
The problem with these wish lists for yet more East Coast US destinations is that sooner or later the market gets saturated, the bubble bursts and EDI winds up much worse off routes wise than it might otherwise be.
Fully agree, signs of that showing already, Newark now double daily and at the same time JFK and DC see a reduction in pax numbers over the same period
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Old 19th Aug 2023, 14:25
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My understanding is that any route support is through Visit Scotland and its criteria as to what are markets it particularly wants to focus on developing, which can change over time. There is no support directly from Scot Govt after the route development fund ended some time ago.

Aviation was specifically excluded from the Bute House Agreement with the Greens. The suggestion that funding didn’t come because of their input would therefore be a breach of an agreement which is already under some considerable scrutiny, and therefore all the less likely for it. Far more likely is that Scot Govt has run out of funding to channel into Visit Scotland given the state of the budget for this year and next.
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Old 21st Aug 2023, 07:30
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Currently closed due to runway repairs - again.
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Old 21st Aug 2023, 07:51
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Looks like it's open again
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Old 21st Aug 2023, 12:17
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I believe a United and BA went to GLA and 2 EZY went to NCL
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Old 22nd Aug 2023, 01:24
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Currently closed due to runway repairs - again.
Hindsight is a great thing, but the runway should have been resurfaced a couple years ago. It was already due by that point anyway, and the lack of movements would have made the project much less disruptive than it's now going to be, given volume of night movements these days. I can understand them freezing capital expenditure at the time on any expansion, but the runway resurfacing was a project needing done regardless.

So they're now in a situation whereby the runway condition is regularly affecting operations, as the surface is past it's intended lifespan, and the full rehabilitation project is not planned until W25/26, so good luck over the next couple years!
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Old 22nd Aug 2023, 09:58
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Originally Posted by GoEDI
Hindsight is a great thing, but the runway should have been resurfaced a couple years ago. It was already due by that point anyway, and the lack of movements would have made the project much less disruptive than it's now going to be, given volume of night movements these days. I can understand them freezing capital expenditure at the time on any expansion, but the runway resurfacing was a project needing done regardless.

So they're now in a situation whereby the runway condition is regularly affecting operations, as the surface is past it's intended lifespan, and the full rehabilitation project is not planned until W25/26, so good luck over the next couple years!

The suggestion that runway resurfacing should have taken place a couple of years ago would have been credible, had it been “normal times”. I don’t know many companies who would have had the cash available or be willing to spend large sums of money given the pandemic. The aviation sector was virtually crippled. The Scottish Gov, had they got their way would have banned all air travel. The travel restrictions in Scotland were far tougher and lasted longer than England. It would have been crazy to spend large sums at that time given the uncertainty.
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Old 22nd Aug 2023, 10:11
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Especially when you aren't a long term investor and are looking to sell.

Will the price be going down every time there is one of these shutdowns? I wouldn't buy a house with a dodgy roof!
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Old 22nd Aug 2023, 15:33
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speaking of capital investment, whats the latest with any sale… is it actively on the market?
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Old 22nd Aug 2023, 18:21
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Originally Posted by Planeraz
The suggestion that runway resurfacing should have taken place a couple of years ago would have been credible, had it been “normal times”. I don’t know many companies who would have had the cash available or be willing to spend large sums of money given the pandemic. The aviation sector was virtually crippled. The travel restrictions in Scotland were far tougher and lasted longer than England. It would have been crazy to spend large sums at that time given the uncertainty.
Were passenger numbers at LHR, LGW etc. not way down during the pandemic? I seemed to recall some bloke called Mr Dewar on TV, moaning to all and sundry saying he was ready for business. Once the industry opened up guess which airport has been the subject of many complaints, to this day, on social media for security, immigration and delayed baggage issues?
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Old 22nd Aug 2023, 18:24
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount
speaking of capital investment, whats the latest with any sale… is it actively on the market?
The last management meeting minutes detailed the planned spending. Unless, something “big” routes wise is announced, I doubt anything more substantial will be added. The next thing to look out for will be Delta’s S24 route plans. Will we see an upgrade of aircraft on the ATL route? Will one of the routes be dropped?
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Old 22nd Aug 2023, 18:56
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Turkish scheduling more wide-body aircraft in mid September. Economy currently sold out on all inbound flights up to 13th Sept. It would appear they are also codesharing with BA on certain flights. Istanbul to Edinburgh via LHR is being offered.
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Old 22nd Aug 2023, 19:48
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Originally Posted by Planeraz
The next thing to look out for will be Delta’s S24 route plans. Will we see an upgrade of aircraft on the ATL route? Will one of the routes be dropped?
How quickly things can change. Three months ago the hints were that they may add a new route, now the question is will one of their current routes will be dropped.
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Delta
Another new route on the horizon? A couple of sources at EDI dropping hints that Delta, for S24, may announce another new route. The twin cities - MSP is rumoured to be the destination.
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Old 22nd Aug 2023, 19:55
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How quickly things can change. Three months ago the hints were that they may add a new route, now the question is will one of their current routes will be dropped.
Time will tell. Anything constructive to post or just rather immature snipes?
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